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sinrakin
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 Posted: 03/27/03 - 12:30 Post subject: Sometimes I'm tempted to laugh at ridiculous Iraqi rhetoric
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All the "in the name of Allah the insolent invaders will be crushed" crap makes them seem pretty primitive and stupid, honestly. But then I see idiocy like this:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:hres153: - a resolution in the House "Recognizing the public need for fasting and prayer in order to secure the blessings and protection of Providence for the people of the United States and our Armed Forces during the conflict in Iraq and under the threat of terrorism at home", and requesting the government to designate a day for humility, prayer, and fasting for all people of the United States (including atheists presumably). And it makes me think that really, we're just like them.
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Sabathius
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 12:40 Post subject:
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except that we have cable
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eqchanter
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 13:10 Post subject: Re: Sometimes I'm tempted to laugh at ridiculous Iraqi rheto
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| sinrakin wrote: | All the "in the name of Allah the insolent invaders will be crushed" crap makes them seem pretty primitive and stupid, honestly. But then I see idiocy like this:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:hres153: - a resolution in the House "Recognizing the public need for fasting and prayer in order to secure the blessings and protection of Providence for the people of the United States and our Armed Forces during the conflict in Iraq and under the threat of terrorism at home", and requesting the government to designate a day for humility, prayer, and fasting for all people of the United States (including atheists presumably). And it makes me think that really, we're just like them. |
not that im against this but if people feel the need to starve themselves and pray why do we have to recognise this. there is no law proventing it.
am i missing the point. im not sure if they are asking for it to be a holiday or something or if they are asking for it to be a right? it dont make alot of sense to me
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 13:13 Post subject:
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| Sabathius wrote: | | except that we have cable |
You know how well off the average family is in Baghdad? They don't all live in mud huts like FOX would have you believe...
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 13:15 Post subject:
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No, you're not missing the point. It's not like it's so terrible - they just want a symbolic day of prayer to be declared. You could probably make a separation of church and state argument, but it probably isn't shaking the pillars of liberty or anything.
It's just that when I see Iraqis referring to how God is going to help them, I feel sorry for them. And then I wonder if other countries see stuff like national days of prayer to help the war and feel contempt for us.
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 13:18 Post subject:
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The way I see it, we'd be doing them a favor if we bombed the tar outta them on their holidays. There's nothing quite like rains of fire and lead after you've prayed to shake your faith a little. Maybe they'll go atheist.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 13:29 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | No, you're not missing the point. It's not like it's so terrible - they just want a symbolic day of prayer to be declared. You could probably make a separation of church and state argument, but it probably isn't shaking the pillars of liberty or anything.
It's just that when I see Iraqis referring to how God is going to help them, I feel sorry for them. And then I wonder if other countries see stuff like national days of prayer to help the war and feel contempt for us. |
Just a comment on the separation of church and state (granted you said it was no big deal). This is a resolution...not a law. Nowhere in the constitution does it say "separation of church and state" or anything to that effect.
It says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
"Separation of church and state" is a recent invention by atheists to spread their religion to non-believers of atheism.
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Manuva
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 13:31 Post subject:
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He's right.
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Vekril
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 13:44 Post subject:
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Yeah I am an atheist and the biggest opponent of religion you will find - but I agree that the ACLU/atheist lobby has terribly warped the first amendment. The wording and founders' intent was to prevent the government establishing an official religion, not to remove all references to religion from public life.
You want a moment of silence in school - go ahead, want a short non-denominational prayer at official ceremonies, go for it and us atheists can ignore it.
There are so many important things to spend our tax dollars on instead of defending lawsuits from the ACLU, and if the words "In God We Trust" make 95% of teh population happy, then leave them there its not such a big deal.
practicality > extreme idealism
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 13:52 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | Yeah I am an atheist and the biggest opponent of religion you will find - but I agree that the ACLU/atheist lobby has terribly warped the first amendment. The wording and founders' intent was to prevent the government establishing an official religion, not to remove all references to religion from public life.
You want a moment of silence in school - go ahead, want a short non-denominational prayer at official ceremonies, go for it and us atheists can ignore it.
There are so many important things to spend our tax dollars on instead of defending lawsuits from the ACLU, and if the words "In God We Trust" make 95% of teh population happy, then leave them there its not such a big deal.
practicality > extreme idealism |
Ya. I have no problem with atheists, but it is a belief system, so I consider it a religion. By not allowing references to religion, you're actually promoting atheism...another religion. It's kind of like refusing to allow the star of david anywhere, but allowing crosses.
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eqchanter
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Posted: 03/27/03 - 14:02 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | No, you're not missing the point. It's not like it's so terrible - they just want a symbolic day of prayer to be declared. You could probably make a separation of church and state argument, but it probably isn't shaking the pillars of liberty or anything.
It's just that when I see Iraqis referring to how God is going to help them, I feel sorry for them. And then I wonder if other countries see stuff like national days of prayer to help the war and feel contempt for us. |
Just a comment on the separation of church and state (granted you said it was no big deal). This is a resolution...not a law. Nowhere in the constitution does it say "separation of church and state" or anything to that effect.
It says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
"Separation of church and state" is a recent invention by atheists to spread their religion to non-believers of atheism. |
a good majority of iraqi people say that out of fear of saddam not of god.
saddam uses that to inspire fear in his people and inspire those that follow him. IMO saddam dose not belive in god. he uses god as a tool. no man could possible believe in god and do the things he dose in belief that it is gods will and everyone else is infidel. i am not a church going man but i do belive in god, heaven and hell ect. it my belief that he will suffer for what he is doing now.
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