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xammer99
Luke Warm
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 Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:41 Post subject: Somethings to think about.
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I've refrained from posting here for quite some time or even reading the board, but there is something I'd hope you all consider about the importance of this election, and honestly it isn't about who won the election at all.
Going into it I had 3 big hopes for this election, they are...
1. That it will be quick with a clear winner determined early. Not who won in 2000 hurt the country but in how it was decided. Hopefully those feelings now can be let to die after a suitable period of morning on the part of those who voted against President Bush.
2. That there would be an at least somewhat gracious loser and honorable winner. I think we have that, though time will tell. Again, this goes back to #1.
3. Less than 65% of the voting population turned out to vote. We got this as well, and its the most important of the three. Why? Not because it works in anyones favor, but because when you start getting very high voluntary voter turn outs its a VERY clear sign, historically speaking, that you have some very troubling social problems happening. Frankly, nothing worried me so much as the thought of 80%+ voter turn out. When things get that high you are getting a lot of people involved in the process who have no appreciation nor understanding of the process. Worse you get increasingly higher incidences of bad behavior which sullies the entire process and leads to even more bad blood. As it was we had several confirmed instances of this, notably the 30 slashed tires on Republican vehicles and the woman who went nuts in the polling place in Ohio, disabling one machine and attempting too another before being forced to flee. That sort of nonsense is just not needed.
Finally, something else for the rest of you. Don't be bad winners or losers. It just makes it tougher on everyone else. Now, those who know me will realize where my loyalties lie, and others will be aghast that I could say the things I have here. *shrug* The world has changed a LOT in the past 3 years and more than anything we need to present as common a face to the world as possible. Thats not saying that the winner's shouldn't follow their mandate, just that they shouldn't be a******s about it.
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Confused
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:49 Post subject:
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BUSH KICKED ASS!!!
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:57 Post subject:
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I am replying to each Kerry supporter as they present themselves .. be a sore loser and I'm a sore winner .. be gracious and I will do the same 
I agree with you here xam .. mostly .. I think Kerry wasn't very gracious AT ALL but I am biased 
What I SERIOUSLY hope happens now is the extremists on BOTH sides calm the f**k down and we all sit down and get some shit done ...
There was much hatred and venom on both sides over the past 4 years and now .. with Bush winning the popular vote .. I seriously hope some of that fades
I would ask one thing of you Bush HATERS .. give the guy a chance ... he's got the best interest of the US in mind
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Vengar_OO
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:01 Post subject: -==-
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You really should post more often xammer.
I can't remember the last time you were here 
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quotison
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:04 Post subject:
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Well said Xammer and Abi.
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Conqueso
Luke Warm
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:48 Post subject:
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Interesting comment Xammer about the implications of an 85% high voter turnout. (Btw, does that hammer of yours still microwave hot pockets?  )
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Spiritz
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:53 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | | I would ask one thing of you Bush HATERS .. give the guy a chance ... he's got the best interest of the US in mind |
I don't know why I'm posting in this forum, there are a lot of morons on both sides posting here (not saying you are one Abi) - and ignorance is probably the most irritating for me to deal with.
But what you said here Abi kind of struck a nerve with me. While I'm not a Bush supporter nor am I a Kerry supporter I think this statement is very interesting. We kind of have to give the guy a chance, so as said in some of the other threads lets just hope to hell he does something with it. I think Bush haters and Bush lovers alike would all like to see progress made for this country. Personally I don't care who does it, I just want to see it.
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:15 Post subject:
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Spiritz allow me to explain ...
I feel a lot of Demo's .. spurred on by people like Michael Moore, Bill Mahr and Geanine Goroffolo.. were hating on Bush simply because it was the "in" thing to do and I believe if people would just chill out they would realize he's not the monster they are trying to make him out to be...
What I meant was I hope some people drop ther preconceived notions, based on moronic oddities like his inability to speak well in public and listen to the man with an open mind
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Banzai
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:23 Post subject:
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Hey Xammer.
Good to see ya.
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Syke
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:26 Post subject:
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I'm sorry Abi, it's just really hard when he misuses words like "a" and "an".....
"the voters came out in record numbers and delivered an historic victory..." -Bush
Even in his victory speech he can't speak straight...I really hope it's from extreme exhaustion.
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quotison
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:34 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | Spiritz allow me to explain ...
I feel a lot of Demo's .. spurred on by people like Michael Moore, Bill Mahr and Geanine Goroffolo.. were hating on Bush simply because it was the "in" thing to do and I believe if people would just chill out they would realize he's not the monster they are trying to make him out to be...
What I meant was I hope some people drop ther preconceived notions, based on moronic oddities like his inability to speak well in public and listen to the man with an open mind |
That's a good point. A lot of people don't give Bush a chance, because its cool to hate Bush. I think people like Michael Moore go overboard. He's probably very depressed today because there won't be a new president to make a movie about- not because John Kerry isn't president. People like him don't seem to have any ideals, just lots of criticism. I've tried to be a Democrat instead of an Anti-republican, and I hope Republicans try to be Republicans instead of Anti-democrats.
With that said, I think some Republicans don't completely understand the fact that this election was a referendum on the President. There is a lot of criticism towards people that vote for Kerry because they don't like Bush (ignoring the fact that many vote for Bush because they don't like Kerry). There were half a dozen other democrats I'd rather have run for president then Kerry, but that's who we got this time. He wasn't my ideal candidate, but my ideas were closer to his then Bush's, and I felt that this country needed a new administration.
I'm not Michael Moore, I'm not some extreme Bush hater who is still bitter. I've given him a chance for four years, and decided that I wanted something different. He's going to get another chance, whether I like it or not, and I hope he has learned from his mistakes and I hope he keeps the 49% that didn't vote for him in mind when governing. As you've noted, I hope that all Americans support the president this time instead of bitter b******g about stealing the election. Regardless of who won, we can't make the country better without cooperation.
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:46 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | I'm sorry Abi, it's just really hard when he misuses words like "a" and "an".....
"the voters came out in record numbers and delivered an historic victory..." -Bush
Even in his victory speech he can't speak straight...I really hope it's from extreme exhaustion. |
this is a PERFECT example of the point I was making .. WHO THE f**k CARES .. Syke would fall in the category of NOT giving him a chance
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xammer99
Luke Warm
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:54 Post subject:
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1. Hey Cheese, keep away from the hammer, b***h!
2. Seriously folks, it costs nothing to be honorable in victory and will make getting your views across easier.
3. I concur with people such as Moore and others who are, to borrow a phrase, “political bomb throwers”. Antics like that truly have no place in American politics and are disappointing in the extreme. While out of one side accusing President Bush of a lack of intellect and scaring voters, they with the same side doing the exact same thing. The level of political discourse from the ‘loyal opposition’ this time around was quite disappointing I’m afraid. I expect better and hope that such will be forth coming in 2008.
This is not to absolve the Republican’s from adopting such tactics as well, as they certainly did. But once the slippery slope is stepped upon, its all down hill from there. However, I must admit I enjoyed an unusually vicious election cycle, while not the worst, it was amusing to see the oddities cooked up. No one was hung in effigy (which happened in Tennessee in the 19th century), nor were there assassination attempts (which happened to FDR in I believe 1932 and TR in I believe 1912). So all things considered it was pretty peaceful if spirited.
Additionally I do not absolve myself either. I’ve done such bomb throwing in the past and regret it. Though thankfully I didn’t do so on this election cycle.
4. Finally, the world has changed since 9/11, its time we all grew up a bit more and political bomb throwing isn’t the way to do it.
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Banzai
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:56 Post subject:
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I don't think it's "cool" to hate on Bush. My issues with the man have nothing to do with his difficulty expressing himself. My issue is human cost.
Bush is not open-minded, he is determined and righteous which is dangerous in a global community. Many of his staffers have stated that if you don't agree with his politics you have to leave. That is not consistent with an open mind.
That people are being killed as a result of foreign policy makes me uncomfortable with the administration.
I voted, I've said my peace and I see that the majority is willing to cope with the human loss. I don't like it but it's out of my hands now. My mind isn’t changed with a legitimate election but it won’t do me any good to harp on it after the fact.
Sometimes people have to agree to disagree and move on.
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Syke
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 19:08 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | | Syke wrote: | I'm sorry Abi, it's just really hard when he misuses words like "a" and "an".....
"the voters came out in record numbers and delivered an historic victory..." -Bush
Even in his victory speech he can't speak straight...I really hope it's from extreme exhaustion. |
this is a PERFECT example of the point I was making .. WHO THE f**k CARES .. Syke would fall in the category of NOT giving him a chance |
I did give him a chance...he had 4 years to correct his grammar and he STILL f***s it up...jesus.
And dude, don't tell me you would sit in a room and have a conversation with a person who didn't speak straight, and say it didn't have the slightest effect on your view of his or her character. I'd call you a bullshitter if you said it didn't. Anyways, it was just a joke...like..you know...ha ha? HA...HAHA...lololol. HEHE!
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 19:10 Post subject:
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Umm Syke.. I'm guilded with Zareksis ...
NUFF SAID!!!!
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Banzai
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 19:11 Post subject:
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Not that I care, my spelling is infamously bad but I find it ironic most grammar and spelling police here are Bush supporters.
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Syke
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 19:12 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | Umm Syke.. I'm guilded with Zareksis ...
NUFF SAID!!!! |
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lotek
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 19:19 Post subject:
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I wouldnt put bill mahr in with geraphelo(sp?) or moore.
He is more of a libertarian
I've been listening to a lot of geraphelo on air america and she truely does the left a lot of injustice. i.e. last night one of he r show workers suggested that if kerry won, he should appoint colin powell to the cabinite as sign of reconsiliation, and she flipped. Absolutly flipped, calling him names that no republican could get away with.
mahr is intellegent, she and moore are partisan.
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Abi
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 19:25 Post subject:
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Mahr is intelligent ... no doubt .. but he was also VERY VERY venemous towards Bush ... and the administration...
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Spiritz
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 23:02 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | Spiritz allow me to explain ...
I feel a lot of Demo's .. spurred on by people like Michael Moore, Bill Mahr and Geanine Goroffolo.. were hating on Bush simply because it was the "in" thing to do and I believe if people would just chill out they would realize he's not the monster they are trying to make him out to be...
What I meant was I hope some people drop ther preconceived notions, based on moronic oddities like his inability to speak well in public and listen to the man with an open mind |
I understand exactly what you meant tag0r. I watch Mahr's show all the time, I watched Moore's movie (can't really stand Goroffolo). The difference between me and the moocow who follows blindly is I can watch/listen to something and take it for what it is. After it's done I still make up my own mind.
GDubbya has one hellava opportunity to quiet the naysayers. I seriously, and honestly hope he does.
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Akronn
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 00:03 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | | Mahr is intelligent ... no doubt .. but he was also VERY VERY venemous towards Bush ... and the administration... |
I'm seeing him Friday at Eastern Michigan Univ. Lots and lots of folks on his side here, the evening will own.
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Confused
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 00:12 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Abi wrote: | | Mahr is intelligent ... no doubt .. but he was also VERY VERY venemous towards Bush ... and the administration... |
I'm seeing him Friday at Eastern Michigan Univ. Lots and lots of folks on his side here, the evening will own. |
You live amongst the losers.
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Akronn
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 00:32 Post subject:
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Bumpkins don't have alot of appeal here, thankfully. And I'm actually saddened to see how high 'faith and morals' scored in importance in the exit polls. I think Vekril mentioned that they weren't really important... but look again.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_pr/eln_how_bush_won&cid=536&ncid=536
| Quote: | | In a dozen swing states that decided the presidential election, moral values tied with the economy and jobs as the top issue in the campaign, according to Associated Press exit polls. Terrorism was close behind. |
Must be nice to have nothing to worry about besides the possibility that Jane Smith from Delaware might have an abortion. Ahhh the simple life!
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Confused
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 00:44 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | Bumpkins don't have alot of appeal here, thankfully. And I'm actually saddened to see how high 'faith and morals' scored in importance in the exit polls. I think Vekril mentioned that they weren't really important... but look again.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_pr/eln_how_bush_won&cid=536&ncid=536
| Quote: | | In a dozen swing states that decided the presidential election, moral values tied with the economy and jobs as the top issue in the campaign, according to Associated Press exit polls. Terrorism was close behind. |
Must be nice to have nothing to worry about besides the possibility that Jane Smith from Delaware might have an abortion. Ahhh the simple life! |
Oh look! An idiot liberal trying to say everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot! How open-minded of you! Now bow, underling!
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Vekril
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 01:08 Post subject:
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| Quote: | I'm sorry Abi, it's just really hard when he misuses words like "a" and "an".....
"the voters came out in record numbers and delivered an historic victory..." -Bush
Even in his victory speech he can't speak straight...I really hope it's from extreme exhaustion |
Sorry to bust your bubble Syke but in that case Bush was correct. H is a special consonant and can be used with either an or a depending upon the word and pronunciation. A few examples are an hour, a hamburger, an honest mistake. Historic can be pronounced both ways, with the h hard or soft, so both a and and an are acceptable. A lot of it depends upon your regional accent and speech patterns but both are correct.
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 02:22 Post subject: wrong
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i learned my lesson, i only read like half of someones thing and then i typed this fancy thing, and then submitted then read rest... my bad dog, my bad...
historic is a hard H
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NickPSH
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 02:25 Post subject: Re: wrong
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| intendo wrote: | i learned my lesson, i only read like half of someones thing and then i typed this fancy thing, and then submitted then read rest... my bad dog, my bad...
historic is a hard H |
No.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 04:54 Post subject:
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An historic moment.
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Syke
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 14:39 Post subject:
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So I kin tawk liek 'dis an' u be sayin' i c*m correk simply cuz my roigunal speech pattin's iz causin' me to tawk funnay?
Vekril...Stop trying to candy coat the fact that our president has a speech impediment.
Don't give me b******t about speech patterns and regional accent dude. I can give a shit about a bunch of rednecks that can't pronounce the H in historic, because everyone else I've ever run across in my entire life has pronounced it with a hard H including my redneck relatives. Having it pronounced both ways, and then becoming an exception to a rule of the English language is ridiculous. How much harder is it to just say..."a historic"...it bugs man, it f*****g bugs! George Carlin would totally have my back on this one. Hopefully in the future we will all use words in a similar fashion, it would seem a lot of Texans are following the hard "H" trend...you should try it Vekril.....Hhhhiisstooorriic....God damn it feels good.
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