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Xion
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 Posted: 10/05/04 - 17:05 Post subject: Someone address the following Kerry contradiction:
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Kerry claims it's the "wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time", but then goes on to claim that he's going to get other nations such as France and Russia involved in it.
Tell me, if you were the leader of a foreign nation, would you put your troops into harms way for a man who says it's a stupid war to begin with? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
Kerry is a hypocritical, self contradicting fucktard. He does nothing but point the finger and say how things should be, not how they reasonably could be.
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Orbit
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 17:13 Post subject:
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What he is saying He think this was done wrong without other others to help. But since it was started we must finish it. He will try his BEST to get others helping with this mess that GW started.
Some of us dont think we should have gone in to this war basically alone.
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Kurel
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 17:18 Post subject:
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I'm sorry, but when other countries "help" us with a war, all they do is get in the way and b***h about friendly fire.
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Orbit
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 17:19 Post subject:
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and we fire on our own we just keep it quiet? 
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Conqueso
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 17:32 Post subject:
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Here are some of the responses from other nations:
German: British Financial Times
| Quote: | "I cannot imagine that there will be any change in our decision not to send troops, whoever becomes president," Gert Weisskirchen, member of parliament and foreign policy expert for Germany's ruling Social Democratic Party, said in an interview...
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France: France: No Troops for Iraq if Kerry Wins
| Quote: | | "If Kerry is elected, we wouldn't send troops either," the unnamed official told the New York Daily News. "We don't need any more targets in Iraq." |
Poland: Translation of Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski Speech
| Quote: | | "It is immoral not to recognize the involvement we contributed based on our conviction that there should be unity in fighting terrorism, that there was a need to display international solidarity and that Saddam Hussein was a dangerous individual of this world." |
China (on North Korea): N Korea dogs Bush-Kerry debate
| Quote: | | Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing, standing at his side, said the "entire international community" agreed that the six-nation approach was the best way to deal with the problem. |
Iran (on supplying Uranium to Iran): Iran rejects Kerry's nuclear proposal
| Quote: | | Foreign ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said it would be "irrational" for Iran to put its nuclear programme in jeopardy by relying on supplies from abroad. |
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Desaitar
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 18:11 Post subject:
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if kerry wins he will look for quickest way to get the soldiers out and all that money we have poured into Iraq will go to waste and Iraq will be a shit hole again.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 18:17 Post subject:
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I don't see a contradiction in saying that it WAS the wrong war at the wrong time and we shouldn't have started it, but having done so it would be ill-advised to pull out with the job half done. Everything in life depends on what's gone before. Given the reality before we started the war, we shouldn't have started it. Given the current reality, we need to finish it. But we need to finish it right.
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Tanaren
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 18:40 Post subject:
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To use a medical analogy, it's like a surgery. It might have been unnecessary, but once you cut the guy up, you can't walk away from the operating table.
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 19:02 Post subject:
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| Orbit wrote: | What he is saying He think this was done wrong without other others to help. But since it was started we must finish it. He will try his BEST to get others helping with this mess that GW started.
Some of us dont think we should have gone in to this war basically alone. |
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 19:12 Post subject:
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Iraq will always be a shithole, whether we leave tomorrow or in 1000 years. Some countries are just naturally shitholes.
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Conqueso
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 19:26 Post subject:
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I always liked some of the quotes from Winston Churchill:
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"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events."
"When I am abroad, I always make it a rule never to criticize or attack the government of my own country. I make up for lost time when I come home."
"The nation will find it very hard to look up to the leaders who are keeping their ears to the ground."
"One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once 'The Unnecessary War'."
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Xion
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 23:11 Post subject:
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Not a single Kerry supporter answered the important question I posed:
Given Kerry's negative rhetoric on the war in Iraq, insulting the current members of our coalition, etc., why the hell would a foreign leader even consider pledging his countries troops?
Answer: They wouldn't, and Kerry's full of shit.
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Orbit
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Posted: 10/05/04 - 23:16 Post subject:
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Kinda like Bush did with his tail tucked in at the UN.. HA!
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Xion
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Posted: 10/06/04 - 05:33 Post subject:
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| Orbit wrote: | | Kinda like Bush did with his tail tucked in at the UN.. HA! |
Do you speak english?
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Fabulez
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/07/04 - 15:04 Post subject:
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| Xion wrote: | Not a single Kerry supporter answered the important question I posed:
Given Kerry's negative rhetoric on the war in Iraq, insulting the current members of our coalition, etc., why the hell would a foreign leader even consider pledging his countries troops?
Answer: They wouldn't, and Kerry's full of shit. |
You're ignoring the other side of this. No one is pledging troops for Bush either.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 10/07/04 - 16:01 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Iraq will always be a shithole |
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Syke
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Posted: 10/07/04 - 17:37 Post subject:
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| Xion wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Kinda like Bush did with his tail tucked in at the UN.. HA! |
Do you speak english? |
You're only hearing what you want to hear, and believing what you feel like you should be believing.
Read what Sinrakin said and tell me that is not a legitimate answer to your question. f*****g read it.
| Sinrakin wrote: | | I don't see a contradiction in saying that it WAS the wrong war at the wrong time and we shouldn't have started it, but having done so it would be ill-advised to pull out with the job half done. Everything in life depends on what's gone before. Given the reality before we started the war, we shouldn't have started it. Given the current reality, we need to finish it. But we need to finish it right. |
View this opinion objectively and try to understand it's meaning, then try to think of all of the people that would help us and alliances already forged. Think of how many people share the same opinion. Would they help this man, who's word has yet to be fulfilled, or would they rather help who is in power now? Given the nature of events as they are occuring now, do you think there is a better way to take care of things? Do you think there have been any mistakes on our current administration's part? What does Kerry lack the Bush doesn't and vice versa?
Think about these things carefully before you go steadfast in either direction...just think, and stop cursing...damnit.
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Orbit
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/07/04 - 18:34 Post subject:
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| Xion wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Kinda like Bush did with his tail tucked in at the UN.. HA! |
Do you speak english? |
Let me link something you may understand more.
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=962
| Quote: | Certainly, the UN had good reason to worry about Hussein and WMDs. But Bush overstated the case and even misrepresented the UN's own work in this area. Now, a year later, he returns to the international body, hoping to persuade its members to join his Iraq project as junior partners. Already, other nations are complaining that Bush is pressing them to send money and troops but is not willing to share economic, political, and military responsibility. Bush may have to offer concessions and make promises to get these allies aboard. If he has a hard time winning their trust, he will only have himself to blame.
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It seem to me that Bush basically bad mouth the UN. And now he going back there asking for help... I dont see the diffence then what you blame Kerry of..
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Posted: 10/07/04 - 18:48 Post subject: Re: Someone address the following Kerry contradiction:
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| Xion wrote: | Kerry claims it's the "wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time", but then goes on to claim that he's going to get other nations such as France and Russia involved in it.
Tell me, if you were the leader of a foreign nation, would you put your troops into harms way for a man who says it's a stupid war to begin with? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
Kerry is a hypocritical, self contradicting fucktard. He does nothing but point the finger and say how things should be, not how they reasonably could be. |
Bush is a mumbling inarticulate self damning fucktard.
He does nothing but cavort and twitch like a marionnette beneath the skillfull manipulations of the republican party.
The only time he can come off even half assedly intelligent is when he is in the presence of adulating hero worshiping sycophantic elitist, deluded or elitist wannabees.
Put him in a press conference when the heat is on, the glamour is dispelled and the emperor is shown to one and all that indeed he is at very best, a mushmouthed moron who tries in vein to pull off as passibly intelligent.
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