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Silvermouse
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 Posted: 10/15/04 - 18:14 Post subject:
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Good for them. Keep that equipment safe!
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 18:34 Post subject:
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| Quote: | The soldiers refused an order on Wednesday to go to Taji, Iraq -- north of Baghdad -- because their vehicles were considered extremely unsafe, Patricia McCook of Jackson, Mississippi, told The Clarion-Ledger.
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Occulis
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 18:44 Post subject:
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They're trained to take orders but not to become suicidal.
| Quote: | | A whole unit refusing to go on a mission in a war zone would be a significant breach of military discipline. A statement from the military's press center in Baghdad called the incident "isolated." |
Isolated only in that this is the only incident to reach public eyes.
Troops get shit on and put in needlessly dangerous situations far too often.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 19:14 Post subject:
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I saw a couple of other articles about this. Funny points:
- the trucks were carrying fuel, had no armor, and a top speed of 40 mph. Also no escort, and were traveling a route where they felt they had a 99% chance of being ambushed.
- they'd already delivered the fuel to one base which wouldn't accept it because it was contaminated with water, so they were told to deliver it to another base. Nothing like fuel with water in it to make you stall just when you need to get the hell out of somewhere. I wonder if the second base would have noticed, or just got blown up when their equipment stalled. Or maybe we were shipping it to our loyal Iraqi allies.
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Scrabler
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Location: Mobile, AL
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Posted: 10/15/04 - 22:20 Post subject:
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Yellow f****n scum. That's what we get for reducing our military and falling back on Reserves. For the most part people in the reserves have attitudes and are disobedient; most of them don't think they would ever have to actually fight a war for their benefits. As for their equipment being "unsafe"..too f*****g bad; do you're job like everyone else. It would be great if we could have new trucks for everyone but the Dems cry about how much we spend NOW; if you want better equipment join the Army or Marines not the reserves.
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2004410150366
| U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson wrote: | | "I would not want any member of the military to be put in a dangerous situation ill-equipped," said Thompson, who was contacted by families. "I have had similar complaints from military families about vehicles that weren't armor-plated, or bullet-proof vests that are outdated. |
Oh no! No armor plating and old vests!? We didn't have guys driving around in up-armored humvees and class IV plate vests for almost all of the 20th century; grow a pair and do your job.
Just to hate on liberals/Dems some more..reducing our military funding and the size of our standing army causes equipment shortages like this, and the number of true Soldiers and Marines.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 02:49 Post subject:
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Scrabler, please. Use a little common sense.
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 05:06 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | I saw a couple of other articles about this. Funny points:
- the trucks were carrying fuel, had no armor, and a top speed of 40 mph. Also no escort, and were traveling a route where they felt they had a 99% chance of being ambushed.
- they'd already delivered the fuel to one base which wouldn't accept it because it was contaminated with water, so they were told to deliver it to another base. Nothing like fuel with water in it to make you stall just when you need to get the hell out of somewhere. I wonder if the second base would have noticed, or just got blown up when their equipment stalled. Or maybe we were shipping it to our loyal Iraqi allies. |
That would be funny were it not both tragic and pathetic.
Reservist "What m*********r? Deliver this contaminated shit across dangerous terrain again? Hey I got an idea...f**k YOU cracka!"
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 06:44 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Scrabler, please. Use a little common sense. |
You do what you're told when you're told. You don't say "It's too dangerous."; no shit it's war!
I see Leavenworth in their future; hope they enjoy it.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 06:46 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | I saw a couple of other articles about this. Funny points:
- the trucks were carrying fuel, had no armor, and a top speed of 40 mph. Also no escort, and were traveling a route where they felt they had a 99% chance of being ambushed.
- they'd already delivered the fuel to one base which wouldn't accept it because it was contaminated with water, so they were told to deliver it to another base. Nothing like fuel with water in it to make you stall just when you need to get the hell out of somewhere. I wonder if the second base would have noticed, or just got blown up when their equipment stalled. Or maybe we were shipping it to our loyal Iraqi allies. |
That would be funny were it not both tragic and pathetic.
Reservist "What m*********r? Deliver this contaminated shit across dangerous terrain again? Hey I got an idea...f**k YOU cracka!" |
So you agree we need to spend more on the military? <3
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khrath
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 07:59 Post subject:
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who was it that voted not to give our troops the equipment they needed?
Oh yah, Kerry.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 08:01 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | who was it that voted not to give our troops the equipment they needed?
Oh yah, Kerry. |
Don't be heartless man; you know we need to fund much more important things like welfare.
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Frax
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 08:25 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | who was it that voted not to give our troops the equipment they needed?
Oh yah, Kerry. |
Dude stop with rational truthful discussion, this is realpoor
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 08:37 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | who was it that voted not to give our troops the equipment they needed?
Oh yah, Kerry. |
Dude stop with rational truthful discussion, this is realpoor |
Don't cloud the issue with facts.
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Druid4sale
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:23 Post subject:
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Using common sense and ethics what these soldiers did is completely right. But Scrabler's right. A soldier is pretty useless unless they are of the breed that will blindly follow orders no matter how dumb they are. That is indeed the worst part of being in the military. You will not make a decision for yourself until you leave it.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:30 Post subject:
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| Druid4sale wrote: | | Using common sense and ethics what these soldiers did is completely right. But Scrabler's right. A soldier is pretty useless unless they are of the breed that will blindly follow orders no matter how dumb they are. That is indeed the worst part of being in the military. You will not make a decision for yourself until you leave it. |
You follow any orders, with eyes wide open. So what if your equipment isn't as good as it could be; it's happened in every conflict before and it will happen in all wars in the future. Like I said before if you want better equipment join the real military.
Using common sense tells you disobeying orders gets people killed. Obviously this wasn't a suicide mision - REAL men had to deliver the fuel since these pukes wouldn't.
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Druid4sale
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:35 Post subject:
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If their eyes were truly wide open, they wouldn't follow any orders at all Scrab.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 10:49 Post subject:
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| Druid4sale wrote: | | If their eyes were truly wide open, they wouldn't follow any orders at all Scrab. |
So says a scumbag who wouldn't die for his country.
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Druid4sale
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:00 Post subject:
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Haha, no one in Iraq is dying for their country, they're dying for nothing.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:05 Post subject:
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| Druid4sale wrote: | | Haha, no one in Iraq is dying for their country, they're dying for nothing. |
Maybe you're colorblind. I can see the American flags on the arms of our service members though.
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Mogling
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:47 Post subject:
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Uhh Scrab, are you out there fighting yet?
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:58 Post subject:
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| Mogling wrote: | | Uhh Scrab, are you out there fighting yet? |
No I'm going in '06. Hopefully we will be kicking Irans ass soon after that.
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goatface
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 12:29 Post subject:
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the local guard here was a refueling unit in DS
(they got changed to bridges or something now)
i heard a lot of stories and a lot of them were scared shitless
doing some of the runs, but i don;t think any of them
(that i knew) would have ever refused to do a mission.
i don;t know which type of truck they are driving,
if i remember right they have like 5 different ones
anyway going a max of 40mph might not sound like much
but from the stories i heard that was way fast on nearly all
the PoS roads over there.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 13:47 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Druid4sale wrote: | | If their eyes were truly wide open, they wouldn't follow any orders at all Scrab. |
So says a scumbag who wouldn't die for his country. |
Hurry up and die for us.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:00 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Druid4sale wrote: | | If their eyes were truly wide open, they wouldn't follow any orders at all Scrab. |
So says a scumbag who wouldn't die for his country. |
Hurry up and die for us. |
If I need to I will.
Hope you live free after I'm gone at least.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:03 Post subject:
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Do you feel that Hitler's soldiers died honorably for their country? Fighting a war they believed in?
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:14 Post subject:
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Be;ieve me, Scrabler, if this were WWIII I'd have nothing but nice things to say, but it isn't.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:20 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Be;ieve me, Scrabler, if this were WWIII I'd have nothing but nice things to say, but it isn't. |
A war doesn't have to be WWIII to be important.
| Rennol wrote: | | Do you feel that Hitler's soldiers died honorably for their country? Fighting a war they believed in? |
Yes they did fight and die honorably. They were fed propaganda as civis by the Nazi party but most believed it and they supported their leader. Everything is relative and in their situation they did a great job by following Hitler's wishes.
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Teutates
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:23 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: |
| Rennol wrote: | | Do you feel that Hitler's soldiers died honorably for their country? Fighting a war they believed in? |
Yes they did fight and die honorably. They were fed propaganda as civis by the Nazi party but most believed it and they supported their leader. Everything is relative and in their situation they did a great job by following Hitler's wishes. |
As will the US Until it falls believe the propaganda from both "Parties"
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 14:30 Post subject:
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| Teutates wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: |
| Rennol wrote: | | Do you feel that Hitler's soldiers died honorably for their country? Fighting a war they believed in? |
Yes they did fight and die honorably. They were fed propaganda as civis by the Nazi party but most believed it and they supported their leader. Everything is relative and in their situation they did a great job by following Hitler's wishes. |
As will the US Until it falls believe the propaganda from both "Parties" |
The spin from our parties isn't close to the censorship the German's had during WWI and II.
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