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Luturb
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 Posted: 02/14/04 - 14:35 Post subject: So is Nah getting married this weekend?
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Allegedly close to 1000 same-**** marriages in San Francisco so far.
http://www.authenti-city.com/
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Akronn
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 14:39 Post subject:
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The floodgates are opening. It's hilarious to see some of our politicians desperately trying to put an end to all this. You're too late, folks.
'Damaging the moral fabric of our society' is the line, I believe... 
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 14:48 Post subject:
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The marriages are not legal. The certificates mean nothing.
Just because a good looking female on some network/cable news program mouths the word "marriage" doesn't make it real.
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Renork
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 14:54 Post subject:
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Best thing, on Bill Maher last night he was commenting on how retarted all the politicians are with all this said the following:
"Hey, lets make an amandment that gay people can have birthdays but straight people get more cake!"
I couldnt breath, maybe it was something you had to hear for for your self tho.
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Akronn
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 14:57 Post subject:
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The group that's challenging these marriages, the Alliance Defense Fund, is so hypocritical it hurts.
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/
| Quote: | Our Mission
The Alliance Defense Fund is a servant organization that provides the resources that will keep the door open for the spread of the Gospel through the legal defense and advocacy of religious freedom, the sanctity of human life, and traditional family values.
Their prime concern was the dramatic loss of religious freedom in America's courts and the resulting challenges to people of faith to live and proclaim the Gospel. |
Let's support religious freedom by subjecting everyone to ours! 
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kireol
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 14:59 Post subject:
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I'd be interested in seeing what would happen to insurance rates and taxes if those marriages were legal
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:04 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | The group that's challenging these marriages, the Alliance Defense Fund, is so hypocritical it hurts.
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/
| Quote: | Our Mission
The Alliance Defense Fund is a servant organization that provides the resources that will keep the door open for the spread of the Gospel through the legal defense and advocacy of religious freedom, the sanctity of human life, and traditional family values.
Their prime concern was the dramatic loss of religious freedom in America's courts and the resulting challenges to people of faith to live and proclaim the Gospel. |
Let's support religious freedom by subjecting everyone to ours! |
Changing the definition of marriage because a lobby of minorities with a mental illness whine a little, is not acceptable to the majority that doesn't have that illness.
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Akronn
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:13 Post subject:
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But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real.
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kireol
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:15 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
what if your health insurance went up and your taxes went up because of it?
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:34 Post subject:
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| kireol wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
what if your health insurance went up and your taxes went up because of it? |
That....and why should I incorporate the union of 2 people based on a mental illness into the definition of marriage. Its all about using the law to regulate normalcy where there is no general acceptance for the behavior the law was designed to legalize.
I could get a law passed that says f*****g my dog is acceptable and desirable.
They can pass the law but that will not change the negative view the majority has for this behavior. No matter what the law says. The majority will just avoid this behavior and the people who practice it.
To be blunt, the majority of Americans think homosexuality is wrong, a sickness, or something else just as undesirable. They don't want them given the license to marry because they don't agree that same **** union are equal to heterosexual marriages. Shacking up because of a mental illness is still seen as unacceptable and deviant behavior.
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quotison
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:35 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
But, but.. the sanctity of marriage!
Kireol, why exactly would health insurance and taxes go up? I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just curious how, since I have no idea 
With that said, I really wouldn't care. I don't see any moral reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married. No reason for them to not be treated like the rest of us.
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Akronn
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:35 Post subject:
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The increase would be infinitesimal. Here's some reading:
http://www.workforce.com/section/02/feature/23/62/19/
| Quote: | | Human resources consultants and workplace-benefits analysts who’ve studied the Massachusetts ruling, however, tend to see it less as a harbinger of change and more as a parallel development to what already is a rising national trend in the corporate world. Since the early 1980s, nearly 6,000 employers across the nation have extended medical coverage and other benefits to an estimated 125,000 same-**** domestic partners of their employees, according to the Human Rights Campaign, a gay and l*****n rights group in Washington, D.C. Employers offering such benefits include at least 198 members of the Fortune 500, including giants such as Microsoft, Ford and Time Warner. Research shows that they’re motivated not by liberal ideology but by the belief that the benefits help their recruiting, retention and corporate image-building and because studies show that such coverage typically adds only about 1 to 2 percent to companies’ health-care costs. |
As you see, they're being accomodated much more than people realize already. Legalizing gay marriage would have little to no impact on the general populace.
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Akronn
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:44 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | I could get a law passed that says f*****g my dog is acceptable and desirable. |
Common slippery-slope argument employed in this type of debate.
You're forgetting the concept of consent. Goat marriage will not follow gay marriage.
By the way, I know plenty of married couples who are dysfunctional and/or f****d in the head beyond repair... and they sure weren't stopped at the alter.
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:52 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | | I could get a law passed that says f*****g my dog is acceptable and desirable. |
Common slippery-slope argument employed in this type of debate.
You're forgetting the concept of consent. Goat marriage will not follow gay marriage.
By the way, I know plenty of married couples who are dysfunctional and/or f****d in the head beyond repair... and they sure weren't stopped at the alter. |
Does the dog consent to being locked into my house every night? Does the dog consent to any activity or constraint I put on it?
No, the dog consents to nothing.
The f****d in the head heterosexual couples are not attempting to change the definition of marriage when they stand on the alter.
Homosexuals are.
Once you alter the definition of marriage to include unions based on **** deviancy whats next?
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ATM Banana
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sandwich making machines.
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 15:57 Post subject:
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A former boxer with 8 kids named George.
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Brash
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:17 Post subject:
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| kireol wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
what if your health insurance went up and your taxes went up because of it? |
why in the world would you think your health insurance would go up ?
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evilution
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:23 Post subject:
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marriage is the great institution whos usefulness is comming to an end =/
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Brash
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:32 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | kireol wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
what if your health insurance went up and your taxes went up because of it? |
That....and why should I incorporate the union of 2 people based on a mental illness into the definition of marriage. Its all about using the law to regulate normalcy where there is no general acceptance for the behavior the law was designed to legalize.
I could get a law passed that says f*****g my dog is acceptable and desirable.
They can pass the law but that will not change the negative view the majority has for this behavior. No matter what the law says. The majority will just avoid this behavior and the people who practice it.
To be blunt, the majority of Americans think homosexuality is wrong, a sickness, or something else just as undesirable. They don't want them given the license to marry because they don't agree that same **** union are equal to heterosexual marriages. Shacking up because of a mental illness is still seen as unacceptable and deviant behavior. |
First off , i think its funny that the first thing you guys always go to is how this will lead to f*****g your pets and barn yard animals .... Again no politician will ever suport you getting hitched to your dog kbarr. this will never ever be a issue.
More to the point , this is just a start of the battle so when Kbarr's generation of hate dies off it will be easier to pass these laws.
Kbarr calls it a "mental illness" does that mean all types of people with mental illness should not be able to get married or just this one type of mental illness? IF it is a mental illness , what makes it so different than the others , that they should be treated so differently ?
I don't know about where you guys live but here in minneapolis, no one gives a shit . Some gay guy is no different than the next strait guy i meet on the street to me. I dont find what the gay guy does in his bedroom to very appealing but i also dont find to fat ass's f*****g appealing either. not going to tell them they can't get married. Guess most of us just worrie about ourselfs for the most part. Unless it is going to have a direct impact on mylife or anyone i care about , who gives a shit what you do. Hope they are not spending much time worrieing about what the f**k is going on in my bedroom.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:32 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
Exactly. What is the problem with gays getting married? It's not like they'd get any special priveliges. They still pay taxes like everyone else. If Jesus didn't like it He'd throw dead horses onto people doing it.
I don't see why the Christian Right cares, I mean they'll be going to heaven and the gays to hell, right? Don't sweat it.
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evilution
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:38 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
Exactly. What is the problem with gays getting married? It's not like they'd get any special priveliges. They still pay taxes like everyone else. If Jesus didn't like it He'd throw dead horses onto people doing it.
I don't see why the Christian Right cares, I mean they'll be going to heaven and the gays to hell, right? Don't sweat it. |
Because if the Christian Right wasnt so busy fighting their moral battles they might have a moment for an independent thought and that would just destroy their world view.
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Brash
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:42 Post subject:
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Once you alter the definition of marriage to include unions based on **** deviancy whats next? |
Maybe a fine upstanding job like police work, where they are here to "protect and serve" will be ruined with corruption and brutality.
Nah , that will never happen.
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Brash
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:44 Post subject:
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| evilution wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
Exactly. What is the problem with gays getting married? It's not like they'd get any special priveliges. They still pay taxes like everyone else. If Jesus didn't like it He'd throw dead horses onto people doing it.
I don't see why the Christian Right cares, I mean they'll be going to heaven and the gays to hell, right? Don't sweat it. |
Because if the Christian Right wasnt so busy fighting their moral battles they might have a moment for an independent thought and that would just destroy their world view. |
Because when you are looking down on others it makes it alot easier to feel good about yourself .
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:50 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: |
Once you alter the definition of marriage to include unions based on **** deviancy whats next? |
Maybe a fine upstanding job like police work, where they are here to "protect and serve" will be ruined with corruption and brutality.
Nah , that will never happen. |
I never hit, beat, devastated, turbanized, attitude adjusted, anyone who didn't deserve it.
But that has nothing to do with deviate **** practices and the definition of the word "marriage". Or the current attempt to change that definition.
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Brash
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 16:58 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: |
Once you alter the definition of marriage to include unions based on **** deviancy whats next? |
Maybe a fine upstanding job like police work, where they are here to "protect and serve" will be ruined with corruption and brutality.
Nah , that will never happen. |
I never hit, beat, devastated, turbanized, attitude adjusted, anyone who didn't deserve it.
But that has nothing to do with deviate **** practices and the definition of the word "marriage". Or the current attempt to change that definition. |
Somehow i think your definition of "deserved it" is way twisted.
I think you have somehow tricked yourself into thinking all of the f****d up shit you have done in your life was justified. Letting you now stand as everyone's judge and jury.
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 17:07 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | | Brash wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: |
Once you alter the definition of marriage to include unions based on **** deviancy whats next? |
Maybe a fine upstanding job like police work, where they are here to "protect and serve" will be ruined with corruption and brutality.
Nah , that will never happen. |
I never hit, beat, devastated, turbanized, attitude adjusted, anyone who didn't deserve it.
But that has nothing to do with deviate **** practices and the definition of the word "marriage". Or the current attempt to change that definition. |
Somehow i think your definition of "deserved it" is way twisted.
I think you have somehow tricked yourself into thinking all of the f****d up shit you have done in your life was justified. Letting you now stand as everyone's judge and jury. |
Not everyone. Just the losers.
You know, losers like yourself.
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Don't bring Judge Dredd into this =(
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 18:31 Post subject:
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| kireol wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
what if your health insurance went up and your taxes went up because of it? |
then you'd deal with it like everything else kireol you're smarter than this. Equal rights don't mean special rights. Stop being so afraid you're going to lose something.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 19:05 Post subject:
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maybe i should just truck this thread.
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kireol
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Posted: 02/14/04 - 19:31 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | | kireol wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | But you see, this is the question I pose to you: what does it matter?
Personally, it doesn't make a single difference in my life if the hypothetical gay couple living together down the street is married or not, just like it doesn't matter if the hetero couple is either. It's not like outlawing gay marriages is gonna stop gay couples from holding hands down the street in front of your kids. Get real. |
what if your health insurance went up and your taxes went up because of it? |
why in the world would you think your health insurance would go up ? |
because health insurance compaines arent going to float the extra increase in added people.
john marries frank. john works. franks a stay-at-home h**o. frank is now insured because they are married.
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