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Rennol
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 Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:13 Post subject: Since so many people bring up WW2 in comparison to this shit
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Franklin D. Roosevelt: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
George W. Bush: Be very afraid of terrorists. Be especially afraid of John Kerry. Vote for me.
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Kurel
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:34 Post subject:
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I never said Bush wasn't a complete moron, but compared to Kerry he's a member of Mensa.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 23:47 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | | I never said Bush wasn't a complete moron, but compared to Kerry he's a member of Mensa. |
You do realize that Bush never would have amounted to anything had he not been born with the name "Bush"?
Bush says stuff like "I give hope to the C students of America that they can be President."
Jesus H. Christ - I sure as hell don't want C-f*****g-students to be running the country. That's why they have Rhodes Scholars. f**k.
Honestly, Kerry is articulate and can do more than just rehash the same statement in a multitude of ways. Bush will most likely make it into the Guiness Book of World Records for saying the words "Prevail" and "Must" in the same sentence the most times. I mean come on. Every time Bush starts talking about an issue - it's a broken record. If he is talking about Kerry, he is either "on the far left bank of the mainstream of American politics" or "a flip-flopper who can't make up his mind". If he is talking about Iraq then "we must prevail, we will prevail" or "Democracy will prevail" or "We will ensure that Democracy will prevail"...etc. If he is talking about health care then it's "I have a plan. I am working on a plan. We will take care of everyone." Almost any question he is asked already has a pre-set response. There is no thought process that goes into these responses. It is simply a pre-programmed response directly from Karl Rove's political mind.
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:16 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | After all that has just passed -- all the lives taken, and all the possibilities and hopes that died with them -- it is natural to wonder if America's future is one of fear. Some speak of an age of terror. I know there are struggles ahead, and dangers to face. But this country will define our times, not be defined by them. As long as the United States of America is determined and strong, this will not be an age of terror; this will be an age of liberty, here and across the world. |
| Quote: | | I know this struggle will be waged in many ways and many places. I know that it will be a long and difficult struggle. I know we have to be resolute in confronting the evil that exists in the world. But in the end, one of our greatest strengths, one of our greatest safeguards, is that America can be the ideal that inspires others everywhere. If we again become that beacon of hope, we will discover in ourselves the most powerful and useful weapons in the war against the terrorists. Because if we are true to ourselves, terrorists cannot defeat the values and vision that have made America great. |
Neither candidate's "primary message" is one of fear in terms of terrorists. Take a look at the quotes above. I left the names off but it might be easy to guess which quote belongs to each candidate. Both parties have said that a vote for the other candidate will lead to possible attacks via the vice presidential candidates. This political tactic was short-lived.
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Jarec
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 02:04 Post subject:
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You do realize that Bush never would have amounted to anything had he not been born with the name "Bush"? |
That would be like me saying, if WW2 never happened, I would have been born a German.
It's totally pointless to even consider that.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:12 Post subject:
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Another WWII analogy. It was a radio commentary made by a polysci professor. I fully agree that this election is one that illustrates a "historic crossroads". We are in a similar situation of making a huge decision for the future policies of the country as when the US debated whether to leave isolationism behind in WWI, to confront facism in WWII, or to stop the spread of communism during the Cold War. No matter which side of the aisle that you are on, you have to admit that the country has reached a crossroads.
MATTHEW MANWELLER'S COMMENTARY ON THIS ELECTION
| Quote: | This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance. Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold...
It is said that America's WWII generation is its "greatest generation." But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's "last generation." Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WWII, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor, and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake "living in America" as "being an American." But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities. This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill." |
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:15 Post subject: Re: Since so many people bring up WW2 in comparison to this
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| Rennol wrote: | Franklin D. Roosevelt: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
George W. Bush: Be very afraid of terrorists. Be especially afraid of John Kerry. Vote for me. |
I think this comparison speaks to the type of campaign Bush is running.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:19 Post subject:
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So what does that security color scale represent, Conq? That scale represents fear. Fear sells in this country, and it's sad.
And what Rennol was saying about Bush not amounting to anything, he means that if he didn't have the Bush name his credentials would have not gotten him anywhere but a middle class job. He got many breaks because his dad was in government positions.
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Frax
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:22 Post subject: Re: Since so many people bring up WW2 in comparison to this
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| Obmar wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | Franklin D. Roosevelt: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
George W. Bush: Be very afraid of terrorists. Be especially afraid of John Kerry. Vote for me. |
I think this comparison speaks to the type of campaign Bush is running. |
As opposed to the only reason people will vote for john kerry is that 'he's not GWB".. and he uses that as his campaign's main point?
I'd rather have someone I understand in office instead of the abortion that is the kerry-edwards ticket.
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:39 Post subject: Re: Since so many people bring up WW2 in comparison to this
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| Frax wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | Franklin D. Roosevelt: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
George W. Bush: Be very afraid of terrorists. Be especially afraid of John Kerry. Vote for me. |
I think this comparison speaks to the type of campaign Bush is running. |
As opposed to the only reason people will vote for john kerry is that 'he's not GWB".. and he uses that as his campaign's main point?
I'd rather have someone I understand in office instead of the abortion that is the kerry-edwards ticket. |
Tell me something I already didn't know 
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xeqer
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 13:00 Post subject:
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Bush says stuff like "I give hope to the C students of America that they can be President."
You do realize that Bush never would have amounted to anything had he not been born with the name "Bush"?
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Bush had a higher GPA as an undergrad than Kerry did, you idiot.
and are you hinting that Mr. John FORBES Kerry had a rough childhood?
Who's the most liberal democrat in this photo? Give you a hint....he's in a white shirt on the far left.
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Confused
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 13:09 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Kurel wrote: | | I never said Bush wasn't a complete moron, but compared to Kerry he's a member of Mensa. |
You do realize that Bush never would have amounted to anything had he not been born with the name "Bush"?
Bush says stuff like "I give hope to the C students of America that they can be President."
Jesus H. Christ - I sure as hell don't want C-f*****g-students to be running the country. That's why they have Rhodes Scholars. f**k.
Honestly, Kerry is articulate and can do more than just rehash the same statement in a multitude of ways. Bush will most likely make it into the Guiness Book of World Records for saying the words "Prevail" and "Must" in the same sentence the most times. I mean come on. Every time Bush starts talking about an issue - it's a broken record. If he is talking about Kerry, he is either "on the far left bank of the mainstream of American politics" or "a flip-flopper who can't make up his mind". If he is talking about Iraq then "we must prevail, we will prevail" or "Democracy will prevail" or "We will ensure that Democracy will prevail"...etc. If he is talking about health care then it's "I have a plan. I am working on a plan. We will take care of everyone." Almost any question he is asked already has a pre-set response. There is no thought process that goes into these responses. It is simply a pre-programmed response directly from Karl Rove's political mind. |
Colin Powell bragged about having been a C-student in college, saying that only in America can a poor black C-student become Secretary of State.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 13:15 Post subject:
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| Qaldyin wrote: | So what does that security color scale represent, Conq? That scale represents fear. Fear sells in this country, and it's sad.
And what Rennol was saying about Bush not amounting to anything, he means that if he didn't have the Bush name his credentials would have not gotten him anywhere but a middle class job. He got many breaks because his dad was in government positions. |
Yea that color code thing is one of the most stupid things I have seen. I also think those "fear comments" made by both VP candidates were stupid. I see fear perpatrated by both sides regarding the draft, taxes, spending, voter intimidation, etc but I have not seen either presidential candidate try to force a vote via fear. As for myself, I am not driven by "fear of terrorists". As for the rest of the country, who knows except for those "security moms" the media keeps touting.
I guess I misunderstood the point Rennol was making. If it was dealing with name getting someone in office, I see that with a lot of politicians all over the place. Most politicians are/were lawyers. Most have a lot of money. What can I say?
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 13:52 Post subject:
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| xeqer wrote: | | Rennol wrote: |
Bush says stuff like "I give hope to the C students of America that they can be President."
You do realize that Bush never would have amounted to anything had he not been born with the name "Bush"?
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Bush had a higher GPA as an undergrad than Kerry did, you idiot.
and are you hinting that Mr. John FORBES Kerry had a rough childhood?
Who's the most liberal democrat in this photo? Give you a hint....he's in a white shirt on the far left. |
Obviously Kerry didn't have a rough childhood... he just didn't get where he is solely based on his name and his father.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 14:51 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | | I never said Bush wasn't a complete moron, but compared to Kerry he's a member of Mensa. |
I'll take Kerry in "Jeopardy" anyday over Bush.
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Occulis
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:05 Post subject:
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Great intellect does not mean you are going to be a great leader. Leading is about character, personality and communication. Mostly it's students who mistakenly think intelligence is of maximal worth. An extremely intelligent paranoid schizophrenic is worth much less than a somewhat intelligent normal human.
I don't care if our president can solve differential equations or mentally calculate the area under a curve. I do care if he has the brains to listen to his advisers and has an innate obsession with history.
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themy
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:09 Post subject: Re: Since so many people bring up WW2 in comparison to this
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| Rennol wrote: | Franklin D. Roosevelt: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
George W. Bush: Be very afraid of terrorists. Be especially afraid of John Kerry. Vote for me. |
umm, if you are going to quote someone how about y ou have a source and an actual quote next time. nice try retarded liberal.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:25 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | Great intellect does not mean you are going to be a great leader. Leading is about character, personality and communication. Mostly it's students who mistakenly think intelligence is of maximal worth. An extremely intelligent paranoid schizophrenic is worth much less than a somewhat intelligent normal human.
I don't care if our president can solve differential equations or mentally calculate the area under a curve. I do care if he has the brains to listen to his advisers and has an innate obsession with history. |
Then you would like Captain Picard as a president, good friend!
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xeqer
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:28 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Kurel wrote: | | I never said Bush wasn't a complete moron, but compared to Kerry he's a member of Mensa. |
I'll take Kerry in "Jeopardy" anyday over Bush. |
Totally unfair contest, if Kerry is allowed to give his usual 3 or 4 answers to every question.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:32 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | Great intellect does not mean you are going to be a great leader. Leading is about character, personality and communication. Mostly it's students who mistakenly think intelligence is of maximal worth. An extremely intelligent paranoid schizophrenic is worth much less than a somewhat intelligent normal human.
I don't care if our president can solve differential equations or mentally calculate the area under a curve. I do care if he has the brains to listen to his advisers and has an innate obsession with history. |
Bush majored in history at Yale.
To me, it is inexcusable how he can have done this and still be doing what he is doing, especially as far as Iraq, the propaganda shit from Mr. Rove, and his foreign policy.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:33 Post subject: Re: Since so many people bring up WW2 in comparison to this
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| themy wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | Franklin D. Roosevelt: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
George W. Bush: Be very afraid of terrorists. Be especially afraid of John Kerry. Vote for me. |
umm, if you are going to quote someone how about y ou have a source and an actual quote next time. nice try retarded liberal. |
I wasn't making a quote, I was making a point in general, that's why there are no quotations, d*****s. And if you've never heard of that FDR quote, well, sorry. It's on some heavy metal album that I have even.
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Occulis
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 15:58 Post subject:
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c*m in a bucket
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