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Kbar
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 Posted: 02/18/05 - 11:20 Post subject: Scientists: Global warming is real
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Scientists: Global warming is real
Friday, February 18, 2005 Posted: 4:59 AM EST (0959 GMT)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Studies looking at the oceans and melting Arctic ice leave no room for doubt that it is getting warmer, people are to blame, and the weather is going to suffer, climate experts have said.
New computer models that look at ocean temperatures instead of the atmosphere show the clearest signal yet that global warming is well under way, Tim Barnett of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography said.
Speaking at an annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Barnett said climate models based on air temperatures are weak because most of the evidence for global warming is not even there.
"The real place to look is in the ocean," Barnett told a news conference.
His team used millions of temperature readings made by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to calculate steady ocean warming.
"The debate over whether or not there is a global warming signal is now over, at least for rational people," he said.
The report was published one day after the United Nations Kyoto Protocol took effect, a 141-nation environmental pact the United States government has spurned for several reasons, including stated doubts about whether global warming is occurring and is caused by people.
Barnett urged U.S. officials to reconsider.
"Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said.
His team used U.S. government models of solar warming and volcanic warming, just to see if they could account for the measurements they made. "Not a chance," he said.
And the effects will be felt far and wide. "Anywhere that the major water source is fed by snow ... or glacial melt," he said.
"The debate is what are we going to do about it."
Other researchers found clear effects on climate and animals.
Ruth Curry of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution found that melting ice was changing the water cycle, which in turn affects ocean currents and, ultimately, climate.
"As the Earth warms, its water cycle is changing, being pushed out of kilter," she said.
"Ice is in decline everywhere on the planet."
A circulation system called the Ocean Conveyer Belt is in danger of shutting down, she said.
The last time that happened, northern Europe suffered extremely cold winters.
She said the changes were already causing droughts in the U.S. west.
Greenland's ice cap, which contains enough ice to raise sea levels globally by 23 feet (7 meters), is starting to melt and could collapse suddenly, Curry said.
Already freshwater is percolating down, lubricating the base and making it more unstable.
Sharon Smith of the University of Miami found melting Arctic ice was taking with it algae that formed an important base of the food supply for a range of animals.
And the disappearing ice shelves meant big animals such as walruses, polar bears and seals were losing their homes.
"In 1997 there was a mass die-off of a bird called the short-tailed shearwater in the Bering Sea," Smith told the news conference.
The birds, which migrate from Australia, starved to death for several years running when warmer waters caused a plankton called a coccolithophore to bloom in huge numbers, turning the water an opaque turquoise color.
"The short-tailed shearwater couldn't see its prey," Smith said.
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Posted: 02/18/05 - 11:41 Post subject:
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I thought global warming was a condition brought on by an overabundance of greenhouse gasses being released into the atmosphere
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 02/18/05 - 12:54 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | I thought global warming was a condition brought on by an overabundance of greenhouse gasses being released into the atmosphere |
According to the theory, it is. This article just goes a step further and states that that increase in temperature is causing more ice to melt and flow into the ocean...thereby disrupting the ocean currents.
Of course the article is flawed...specifically this statement isn't accurate:
| Quote: | | "Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said. |
We have plenty of evidence that the Earth's climate has changed relatively frequently and suddenly since the planet's inception. I doubt we could blame the end of the last Ice Age on mankind's emission of greenhouse gasses. Climates certainly can and do change of their own accord.
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cheese
Luke Warm
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Posted: 02/18/05 - 13:28 Post subject:
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The sun plays a big part in this as well...
For one the Sun burn brighter today than it has in the last 8000 years, solar radiation is down over 10% since the 50's and the Sun's Sun's magnetism has increased dramatically over the last one hundred years.
Every time someone comes out with a new model it flip flops from CO2 model to natural model.
They haven't kept records long enough to know for sure the effect we have on it, although we do have an effect. A lot of this is best guess because they don't know all the factors much less how to add them all together at this point..
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Tura
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Posted: 02/18/05 - 13:31 Post subject:
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we'll be fine.
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Kbar
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Posted: 02/19/05 - 00:57 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | Of course the article is flawed...specifically this statement isn't accurate:
| Quote: | | "Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said. |
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are you a Scientists?
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kbarr
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Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 02/19/05 - 01:40 Post subject:
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| Kbar wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | Of course the article is flawed...specifically this statement isn't accurate:
| Quote: | | "Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said. |
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Nice name.
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dablobb
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Posted: 02/19/05 - 01:42 Post subject:
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i have no f*****g clue on this subject, just picked any many miny moe!
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 02/19/05 - 01:45 Post subject:
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| Kbar wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | Of course the article is flawed...specifically this statement isn't accurate:
| Quote: | | "Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said. |
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This is exactly the level of response I would expect from someone who can't string 4 words together without making a mistake. 
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Kbar
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Posted: 02/19/05 - 13:47 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Kbar wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | Of course the article is flawed...specifically this statement isn't accurate:
| Quote: | | "Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said. |
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are you a Scientists? |
This is exactly the level of response I would expect from someone who can't string 4 words together without making a mistake. |
I did not think so. You are not qualified to say anything and your opinion is not valued.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 02/19/05 - 15:36 Post subject:
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| Kbar wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | Kbar wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | Of course the article is flawed...specifically this statement isn't accurate:
| Quote: | | "Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said. |
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are you a Scientists? |
This is exactly the level of response I would expect from someone who can't string 4 words together without making a mistake. |
I did not think so. You are not qualified to say anything and your opinion is not valued. |
Since no one this board is an environmental scientist, why make this a poll at all? Oh wait, you're just another wannabe troll...and a bad one at that.
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Frehya
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Posted: 02/19/05 - 18:37 Post subject:
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But Nuld.....don't forget........
" You are not qualified to say anything and your opinion is not valued."
You really got told!
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cheese
Luke Warm
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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Posted: 02/19/05 - 18:42 Post subject:
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| Kbar wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | Kbar wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | Of course the article is flawed...specifically this statement isn't accurate:
| Quote: | | "Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said. |
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This is exactly the level of response I would expect from someone who can't string 4 words together without making a mistake. |
I did not think so. You are not qualified to say anything and your opinion is not valued. |
Are you a Journalist?
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 03:00 Post subject:
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If you want to get technical everyone on this board is a journalist.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 07:33 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | But Nuld.....don't forget........
" You are not qualified to say anything and your opinion is not valued."
You really got told! |
Damn it, Frehya. I was starting to like you too. 
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Frax
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 10:38 Post subject:
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With our vast experience on the earths warming/cooling trends over millions of years we can pinpoint exactly why the temperature rises and falls. Just like we can always exactly predict the weather. Hell we have something like 150years of factual scientific data to back up everything that occurs over millions of years!
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Starks
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 12:48 Post subject:
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Ice Ages happen in nature, and then the earth returns to its state of homeostasis. Warming does not occur in nature past is equilibrium. Who cares about grandkids anyways.
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Frax
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 12:55 Post subject:
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There is no proof, at all, of how global warming (or cooling) can occur. No one has any factual data...
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Starks
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 13:05 Post subject:
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There is evidence as to what caused the last Ice Age, and that is volcanic activity. Granted it was tens of thousands of years ago so obviously, in criminal court it would not uphold. There is no proof that there is a God and there is no proof of Jesus Christ but they are pretty well accepted.
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Frax
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 13:17 Post subject:
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| Starks wrote: | | There is evidence as to what caused the last Ice Age, and that is volcanic activity. Granted it was tens of thousands of years ago so obviously, in criminal court it would not uphold. There is no proof that there is a God and there is no proof of Jesus Christ but they are pretty well accepted. |
Those are examples of something that if repeated enough people will believe them. There is no scientific proof of god or J.C. either
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 15:01 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | There is evidence as to what caused the last Ice Age, and that is volcanic activity. Granted it was tens of thousands of years ago so obviously, in criminal court it would not uphold. There is no proof that there is a God and there is no proof of Jesus Christ but they are pretty well accepted. |
Those are examples of something that if repeated enough people will believe them. There is no scientific proof of god or J.C. either |
You are not qualified to say anything and your opinion is not valued. 
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Frax
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 15:45 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | There is evidence as to what caused the last Ice Age, and that is volcanic activity. Granted it was tens of thousands of years ago so obviously, in criminal court it would not uphold. There is no proof that there is a God and there is no proof of Jesus Christ but they are pretty well accepted. |
Those are examples of something that if repeated enough people will believe them. There is no scientific proof of god or J.C. either |
You are not qualified to say anything and your opinion is not valued. |
It's not? I was sure everyone on this board was as intelligent as me. I guess I was incorrect in that assumption!
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 15:53 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | Starks wrote: | | There is evidence as to what caused the last Ice Age, and that is volcanic activity. Granted it was tens of thousands of years ago so obviously, in criminal court it would not uphold. There is no proof that there is a God and there is no proof of Jesus Christ but they are pretty well accepted. |
Those are examples of something that if repeated enough people will believe them. There is no scientific proof of god or J.C. either |
You are not qualified to say anything and your opinion is not valued. |
It's not? I was sure everyone on this board was as intelligent as me. I guess I was incorrect in that assumption! |
I'm not sure what the correct troll response to this is so I'll have to wait for someone to let me know. 
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Frax
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Posted: 02/21/05 - 15:58 Post subject:
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I guess sarcasm is wasted on the vast majority of people encountered on Uncle Al Gore's Internet.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 05:31 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | I guess sarcasm is wasted on the vast majority of people encountered on Uncle Al Gore's Internet. |
Bleh...I recognized it as sarcasm. I was trying to fit in with the cool people and hate on Kbarr...or something. 
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Callaren
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 07:42 Post subject:
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| Kbar wrote: | What is the primary source of this condition?
Fossil Fuel
Plants
Volcanos |
If plants and volcanos are a major source of global warming, then we were f****d from the start, eh?
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Frax
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 10:35 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | I guess sarcasm is wasted on the vast majority of people encountered on Uncle Al Gore's Internet. |
Bleh...I recognized it as sarcasm. I was trying to fit in with the cool people and hate on Kbarr...or something. |
I got your comment, the person posting here is "Kbar" not "Kbarr" , however~!
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cheese
Luke Warm
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 10:41 Post subject:
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| Callaren wrote: | | Kbar wrote: | What is the primary source of this condition?
Fossil Fuel
Plants
Volcanos |
If plants and volcanos are a major source of global warming, then we were f****d from the start, eh? |
better get to chopping on the rain forest then
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FockTop
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 11:12 Post subject:
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The only real way to solve the problem is for a good part of the world's poppulation to die.
Wont happen so lets deal with it we are f****d.
big companies proved many many times that they dont give a shit and that they wont change their methods.
So even if the rest of the poppulation make some efforts it sure as hell wont be enough so once again we are f****d.
They even claim that here in Montreal we are making huge polution because we warm up our houses during winter...how do we live if we dont? f****d again.
The only thing that we can hope for is for our technology end up helping us saving our planet instead of destroying it.
Electrical car etc..could help greatly, explain me why they still havent flooded the market? because gaz car companies worldwide and gouvernment wont allow it plain simple. Once again f****d.
The planet wont be saved hell just look at the video of the guy getting beated by that black guy and no one helped him and imagine what the odds are that everyone on the planet get up and do their part...dream on boys.
I for myself do what I can I would love to buy an electrical car once their get here until then ...
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cheese
Luke Warm
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Posted: 02/22/05 - 11:19 Post subject:
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yea I figured by the next time I buy a new car the electric / Hybrids will be around a little more and not cost more than gas cars.
See its all you people in Canada's fault if you wouldn't run your heat in the winter the ice caps wouldn't be melting, its suppose to be cold there  J/K
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