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Frax
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 Posted: 04/19/05 - 21:01 Post subject: SOE finally whores itself out 100%
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http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pround&message.id=2674&no_redir=true#M2674
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| Quote: | Hello Everyone,
We have a big announcement coming out in the press in the next day, and I wanted to make sure you heard it from me directly rather than reading an article about it.
Starting in late June, SOE will begin offering a new service called Station Exchange. This secure service will allow EverQuest II players on specific servers to buy and sell the right to use items, coin and characters. To be clear, all we are doing is facilitating these transactions. We are NOT in the business of selling virtual goods ourselves.
I'm sure this is going to come as a shock to many of you, since for the past six years, we have held the line in not allowing these sorts of things to occur. I'd like to explain the primary drivers for this change from our perspective:
First: It's obvious that a large percentage of our players either don't mind this activity or actively participate in it. We've done a fair amount of homework on this subject, and we believe this is a $200 million dollar market worldwide, and there are a huge number of our players taking part in the buying and selling of virtual goods. We have conducted polls, and the vast majority of players either doesn’t care about it or would like to participate in it. We believe that by allowing this to happen on select servers, we can have a solution for both the many players who want to participate in this and for those who don’t.
Second: Dealing with fraudulent transactions of one type or another takes up roughly 40% of our customer service people's time. We have players calling us up or requesting in-game service for activities related to these sorts of transactions constantly, even though they are specifically disallowed by our EULA. You may ask why the percentage is that high when it's not allowed in the first place? The answer is simple. Many times, people in these situations aren't up front with us about what actually happened. "My sword disappeared from my inventory" comes to mind, when what actually happened is the player has sold the item to someone else. Our CS people have to take the time to investigate this claim because if something legitimately happened, we of course want to take care of the player's needs. We believe that by taking this course, we will free up a great number of resources to deal with other things for our players.
Third: We see this as a potentially interesting model for future games. If we came up with a game specifically designed around these sorts of transactions, it might be pretty cool. Online gaming is always evolving, and we’re going to see how a sanctioned exchange service shakes out in EQII. From our perspective, it's always wise to keep pushing the envelope.
With the big reasons we're doing this laid out, I'd like to now tell you about the process:
On Wednesday, you'll see some press about Station Exchange. After about a week, we will conduct an in-game poll that's going to ask whether you:
1) Want to play on an "Exchange enabled" server
2) Do not want to play on an "Exchange enabled" server
3) Don't really care
Based on the results of this poll, we will light up a certain amount of new servers that are specifically "Exchange enabled." If the percentage of players who want this service is high enough, we might consider converting some existing servers to "Exchange enabled." Players who want to play on those servers will have the opportunity to transfer over to the "Exchange enabled" servers for free on a one-time-only basis (but you can't ever move that character off these servers). We will, of course, let people who don't want to stay on an "Exchange enabled" server off with a free transfer.
I want to be clear here: We will be lighting up a few new servers that are specifically “Exchange enabled,” and the number of existing servers we convert to “Exchange enabled” will be based on how many people actually want to be on "Exchange enabled" servers.
In addition to the issues listed above, you may ask, "What about farming?" The simple answer to this is that we're going to continue to heavily enforce the rules of EQ II, and those rules don't permit players to monopolize spawns or in any way harm the play experience of another player. We will continue to enforce these rules, but we also think that by allowing for a legitimate way for players to buy and sell virtual goods among themselves, there will be fewer problems on the non-Exchange servers.
I realize this is a lot to think about, and I expect a pretty good debate to start on this subject. We welcome all your feedback, as it will help determine the future of this service. All I ask is that you consider the fact that we're really addressing this problem in the best possible way for all sides of this issue.
John Smedley
President, Sony Online Entertainment |
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Occulis
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 21:11 Post subject:
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
*gasp*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIEEE
AHAHAHAH
... They'll only get richer.
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Frax
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 21:17 Post subject:
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yep smart business move but still.. lame
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Occulis
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 21:28 Post subject:
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This is a poor comparison, but imagine if Michelangelo had whored himself out for a little extra money on a shittier job.
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 21:32 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | This is a poor comparison, but imagine if Michelangelo had whored himself out for a little extra money on a shittier job. |
ive always wanted the sistine chapel in my car
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Occulis
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 21:36 Post subject:
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roofles
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Brash
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 21:50 Post subject:
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omg . yantis is going to cry tonight forsure ....
people are loot whores already . this will turn each and every player into an all out loot w***e like myself .....
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motherface
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 21:55 Post subject:
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They're taking something people have been doing for years "illegally," making it "legal," and supervising it so there's no (less) fraud, thus saving them money on one front, profiting them on another front, and improving customer satisfaction overall. While it does seem somewhat whorey, I think it's for the best.
I wonder how they'll deal with chargebacks etc...
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Brash
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 22:56 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | They're taking something people have been doing for years "illegally," making it "legal," and supervising it so there's no (less) fraud, thus saving them money on one front, profiting them on another front, and improving customer satisfaction overall. While it does seem somewhat whorey, I think it's for the best.
I wonder how they'll deal with chargebacks etc... |
big difference here is there was only so many people who whored loot and ebayed it before . now everyone and their twink can do it . the whole server will be whores also it will be so mainstreem now that most the people who would never have bought a ebay sword before might now and then boots and rings and then maybe just one more sword and then a hat and then .........
one other result will prolly be ebay prices will plummet because of the huge incoming supply will prolly way out do demand until prices drop to a point that they sell fast.
and chargebacks = banned acount im sure ....
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Mugaaz
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 23:42 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | This is a poor comparison, but imagine if Michelangelo had whored himself out for a little extra money on a shittier job. |
That is a poor comparison. SoE are not artists (except at making money) and Michelangelo wasn't a businessman. Additionally, I could kick your ass in DDR. Well, I mean, not 'kick' it because there really isn't any kicking. But.. you know. I could step-back-and-forth-a-few-times your ass at DDR.
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Posted: 04/19/05 - 23:50 Post subject:
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The Sony Station Exchange(tm) Credit Card
By applying for a Station Exchange account, you are applying for a revolving line of credit from Household Bank (HSBC). This credit line is available to purchase Station Exchange items and property only, and cannot be used at any retail location. The Standard Annual Percentage Rate (APR) is 21.99%, with a default rate of 25.99%. The late payment fee is $35.00. These terms are subject to change and may not be available for all applicants. Please call 1-800-BUY-SONY or review the Terms and Restrictions in your application's disclosure for more information.
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khrath
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 01:58 Post subject:
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I wonder what % of each sale sony plans on keeping.
You know they will, or else why bother.
I bet they have failsafe purchasing methods built into the client already, just so they can lay off 50 CSR's =p
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 03:32 Post subject:
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| khrath wrote: | I wonder what % of each sale sony plans on keeping.
You know they will, or else why bother.
I bet they have failsafe purchasing methods built into the client already, just so they can lay off 50 CSR's =p |
the credit card thing alone im sure will make them money
don't try and tell me the whole credit card thing at every clothing outlet known to man isn't a conspiracy .. because it is ..
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Galdaria
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 03:49 Post subject:
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So instead of camping mobs now maybe they will let us camp for discounts. OMG I hear the 25% discount mob is up tonight. I hope we can get to it first cuz I really need some new armor. 
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 07:08 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
*gasp*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIEEE
AHAHAHAH
... They'll only get richer. |
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Mogling
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 07:30 Post subject:
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To bad its EQ2 only
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 09:37 Post subject:
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| Mogling wrote: | | To bad its EQ2 only |
Im sure it wont be EQ2 only for long. I bet that Blizzard, NCsoft and others are watching how this turns out and if it is successful, you know damn well they will do it too. That being said - I reallly hate this idea as do alot of people on the forums.
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Kaldon
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 10:30 Post subject:
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It would be interesting how this will turn out.
My guess is it won't be something significant because only a small percentage of players would like to play on an "exchange" server, there would be possibly only one or two such servers with a lot of ebay w***e competition that'll drive prices down. Many sellers/farmers may choose to stick around in normal servers, selling at better prices and accepting any risks.
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 10:50 Post subject:
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of course all the big companies are watching this, and i would encourage it f**k yantis and ige he has f****d over the ebay market in all mmorpgs. Hell if im gonna sell 300gold for 10 bucks so he can sell it for 70! WTB good ol days of high priced shit on ebay/playerauctions.
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 10:52 Post subject:
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I think it sucks. These games were made for entertainment, not as an alternative source of revenue. Condoning sales of imaginary items for RL money shatters the innocence of Norrath, it is now a festering w***e ravaged by commercialism & greed.
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 10:59 Post subject:
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.....I don't even know what to say.
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khrath
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 11:09 Post subject:
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<img src=http://www.khrath.com/images/roflz.jpg>
sup?
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 11:30 Post subject:
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haha they finally folded 
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Occulis
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 12:09 Post subject:
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God, the flames are GREAT. You should really read the EQ2 forums! 
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Kettler wrote:
We banned over 700 accounts for farming and exploiting in the last month. We will continue to ban accounts for farming even on exchange enabled servers.
Professional loot farmers annoy our customers, we want nothing to do with that.
Response: Of course you did... they weren't giving you your cut.
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My suggestions for the initial round of new Exchange-enabled EQ2 server names:
Sellout
Hypocrite
Cashcow
Moneygrub
Dishonesty
Profitmargin
Blingbling
SOEbay (of course)
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 12:29 Post subject:
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Someone needs to bring back that pic of the guy looting the skeleton in Befallen with the Visa/Discover/AMEX options, because its not too far off anymore...
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 12:32 Post subject:
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This trend will pretty much guarantee that I never play an MMORPG ever again.
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Brash
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 13:50 Post subject:
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i don't play eq 2 so i don't know about the availability of items but this would kill WoW.
I go to that stupid auction house all the time and there is next to never anything that i would ever want to buy ....if they let ya sell items for RL cash there would be even less items for sale and the only way to get them would be super ultra rare drops off normal mobs or to pay hard earn dollar bills for them ....
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 14:34 Post subject:
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i love it, i would have played EQ2 if they had this at the start.
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motherface
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 14:45 Post subject:
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| Maldek wrote: | | I think it sucks. These games were made for entertainment, not as an alternative source of revenue. Condoning sales of imaginary items for RL money shatters the innocence of Norrath, it is now a festering w***e ravaged by commercialism & greed. |
I agree. Nobody should be playing a game for profit.
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Posted: 04/20/05 - 15:38 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | Maldek wrote: | | I think it sucks. These games were made for entertainment, not as an alternative source of revenue. Condoning sales of imaginary items for RL money shatters the innocence of Norrath, it is now a festering w***e ravaged by commercialism & greed. |
I agree. Nobody should be playing a game for profit. |
lololololololol
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