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WheresNWS
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 Posted: 06/07/03 - 11:14 Post subject: Running out of stuff to complain about,
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=4&u=/nm/20030607/ts_nm/iraq_treasure_dc_2
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Almost all of the priceless items feared stolen from the Baghdad Museum when it was ransacked by looters have been found safe in a secret vault, the U.S.-led administration for Iraq (news - web sites) said on Saturday.
A special team of U.S. investigators working at the museum to check the extent of the looting has concluded that around 3,000 items were still lost or stolen, compared with initial estimates of up to 170,000. Most of the missing items were used for research, rather than exhibition.
"Earlier this week, 179 boxes that contained the vast majority of the museum's exhibition collection were discovered safe in a secret vault," the administration said in a statement.
"The discovery of these boxes containing nearly 8,000 of the most important items from the museum's collection means that the work of the investigation team is drawing to a close."
The failure of U.S. forces to prevent Baghdad Museum being plundered sparked a storm of protest around the world in April. The U.S. military said its men were initially too busy fighting in the streets around the museum to halt the looting.
But many of the items feared lost have been discovered. Some were taken home by staff for safekeeping, and others were found hidden elsewhere, including the large haul in a secret vault. Staff initially refused to reveal the location of the vault until U.S. troops had left Iraq, but later relented.
TREASURE OF NIMRUD
Another trove of priceless jewelry, the Treasure of Nimrud, was found in a flooded Central Bank vault on Thursday.
The Nimrud artefacts, hundreds of gold and gem-studded pieces from the ancient kingdom of Assyria, were retrieved by U.S. investigators after the vaults below the gutted shell of the looted bank building were drained.
The treasures, discovered between 1988 and 1990 in ancient royal tombs below an Assyrian palace dating from the ninth century BC, had been feared lost. But U.S. investigators learned they had been placed in a central bank vault in the early 1990s, possibly to protect them during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites).
"They were never lost," acting Central Bank Governor Faleh Salman said. "We knew all along they were there. It just took a bit of time to get at them because of the flooding."
U.S. customs agents who helped with the recovery of the treasure said that when they first entered the vaults they found bodies of looters killed in shootouts with rival gangs. But the seals on the crates of treasure were intact.
The U.S.-led administration said the Nimrud treasure seemed to be in good condition. A team of experts from the British Museum would arrive soon to assess conservation needs.
The customs agents said it was not known how the vaults came to be flooded, but they suspect Iraqis deliberately let water in to stop looters -- or members of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s inner circle -- making off with the money and valuables inside.
Despite the recovery of many of the museum's treasures in the last week, the U.S.-led administration said 47 items from the main exhibition -- the museum's most treasured pieces -- had not been found.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 11:33 Post subject:
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Cool, now maybe they can find a weapon or two eventually. Or have they given up?
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sinrakin
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 11:34 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Cool, now maybe they can find a weapon or two eventually. Or have they given up? |
I believe, in the semi-incomprehensible, yet stirring words of GW: "We're on the look".
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 11:36 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Cool, now maybe they can find a weapon or two eventually. Or have they given up? |
There are 1100 people searching right now. Of course, if it took this long to find museum artifacts, I would think it would take longer to find weapons that iraq REALLY wanted to hide.
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Janoth
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 12:23 Post subject:
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Some people expect us to find Dr Evil in some secret labratory making Anthrax.
Don't be stupid and look at the facts.
Several tons of banned weapons were never accounted for by Iraq. According to the UN and pretty much everyone he had these weapons. He was required to destroy them under UN supervision. Why would Sadaam destroy, get rid of these weapons secretly? Did he have a death wish? Obviously if he got rid of them, it would be under the supervision of UN inspectors, Koffi Annan, and just about anyone else he could convince to come watch.
So basically let me ask you this question. Did Sadaam purposly hide the fact that he got rid of these weapons? If not, he still has them. If so, what is his incentive to do so. I can't believe some people.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 14:14 Post subject:
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So says Janoth, military intel guru.
(actually... with how horrible our intel is... I'll bet any one of us would be qualified! Either that or Iraq is just awesome at moving stuff, even underground bunkers!)
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Janoth
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 14:26 Post subject:
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Are you denying that Iraq has like 10 tons of chem/bio weapons unaccounted for accoeding to unbiased sources such as the UN? People that are saying Iraq has no WMD are also saying Saddam for some outlandish reason covered up his disposal of the weapons.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 15:55 Post subject:
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I actually think he used alot more than we'll ever know, not that such a scenario would make Hussein an alright guy.
/shrug it's obvious the intelligence community knows less than previously thought, I guess the only question is how much less?
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Janoth
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 16:02 Post subject:
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Ok assuming he used all of his chem/bio weapons, that is even more reason to do something about it because he still had the means to make more as made apperant with the discovery of mobile weapons labs etc. I don't think any of us can really pass judgement on our military intelligence. There's no telling how much they do or don't know. Also, if Saddam were to build a cave with one small entrance in the middle of the desert 200 miles from anything, i can see where it would take an extremly long time to find them. If he wanted to hide them, i'm sure he could make them very very hard to find.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 16:08 Post subject:
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| Janothhhh wrote: | | Ok assuming he used all of his chem/bio weapons, that is even more reason to do something about it because he still had the means to make more as made apperant with the discovery of mobile weapons labs etc. |
Well you see, I never argued that Saddam was harmless... it was just extremely upsetting to see our administration lie (and poorly) about the reasons for heading into Iraq. We were never there to free him of his WoMD, we were there to take over. Not indefinately, but we'll be there for years anyways.
I have a problem with that and I guess I always will. Call a spade a spade, you know?
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Brash
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 16:28 Post subject:
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Dude , didn't ya hear ? we were there to liberate the Iraqi people !!!
errr wait , did i just read that on so meny bumper stickers and yard signs that i started to believe it ? f**k i can't remember now.
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Kbarr
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 17:15 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Janothhhh wrote: | | Ok assuming he used all of his chem/bio weapons, that is even more reason to do something about it because he still had the means to make more as made apperant with the discovery of mobile weapons labs etc. |
Well you see, I never argued that Saddam was harmless... it was just extremely upsetting to see our administration lie (and poorly) about the reasons for heading into Iraq. We were never there to free him of his WoMD, we were there to take over. Not indefinately, but we'll be there for years anyways.
I have a problem with that and I guess I always will. Call a spade a spade, you know? |
Yup, I know.
You idiot.
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Rennol
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 17:23 Post subject:
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The point is that Bush and Blair & Co. pressed a war against Iraq that was not universally advocated under the reasoning that there were immeadiate weapons threats posed to the United States basically.
No concrete proof has been found, and there have been serious allegations and questioning of the real proof that we had regarding the so called 'weapons'.
I'd really like to believe Bush when I see him telling us for the first, second, third, fourth, etc. times that there are weapons and that 'proof is forthcoming'. Problem is that, he has been saying the same thing for a long time, and I haven't seen it backed up.
It's not like it really bothers me, Saddam was bad, it's good to have him gone, it is however a matter of principle.. we went to war.. overthrew a government.. for a specific reason 'on the record'. This reason has not been proven to a degree yet.
However, it isn't just the one issue of weapons, the other things like Ashcroft coming under fire for his treatment of detainees, the validity of the information Colin Powell presented to the UN, etc are also being questioned. Ashcroft is worse then Bush in many ways. Can't wait for him to get the hell outta there. Powell probably was forced to present that information regardless of his own views in the matter.
Anyways.. time will tell.. but I personally think Bush just wanted to get Saddam out and took us for a ride, and will try to cloak himself in the righteousness that he believes is his by 'freeing' the Iraqi people.
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Janoth
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 17:31 Post subject:
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Ok. We found mobile chem/bio weapons labs. Iraq has what... 10 tons of chem/bio weapons unaccounted for according to the UN. Please just use common sense. Thats all I ask. If a guy walks up to you and puts a gun to your head to you automatically assume he is a threat or do you wait until he blows your f*****g head off so you have "conclusive" evidence. Jesus christ.
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Rennol
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 18:01 Post subject:
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Link plz for where we found those mobile chemical and biological weapons labs.
Edit: I'm really trying to believe Bush here, but the preponderance of evidence is that there is no preponderance of evidence to support him. So I find it a little difficult to do so. I do keep an open mind, and like I said before, it's not like it really bothers me, it's just a matter of principle. I would hope that we would have valid reasons for going to war, and that those reasons would be supported with proof.
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Kbarr
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 18:20 Post subject:
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LOL, f*****g idiots.
Stupid f*****g idiots.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 19:57 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | The point is that Bush and Blair & Co. pressed a war against Iraq that was not universally advocated under the reasoning that there were immeadiate weapons threats posed to the United States basically.
No concrete proof has been found, and there have been serious allegations and questioning of the real proof that we had regarding the so called 'weapons'.
I'd really like to believe Bush when I see him telling us for the first, second, third, fourth, etc. times that there are weapons and that 'proof is forthcoming'. Problem is that, he has been saying the same thing for a long time, and I haven't seen it backed up.
It's not like it really bothers me, Saddam was bad, it's good to have him gone, it is however a matter of principle.. we went to war.. overthrew a government.. for a specific reason 'on the record'. This reason has not been proven to a degree yet.
However, it isn't just the one issue of weapons, the other things like Ashcroft coming under fire for his treatment of detainees, the validity of the information Colin Powell presented to the UN, etc are also being questioned. Ashcroft is worse then Bush in many ways. Can't wait for him to get the hell outta there. Powell probably was forced to present that information regardless of his own views in the matter.
Anyways.. time will tell.. but I personally think Bush just wanted to get Saddam out and took us for a ride, and will try to cloak himself in the righteousness that he believes is his by 'freeing' the Iraqi people. |
f*****g liberals are funny. They spew a constant barrage of b******g about "doing something" but have no idea what is involved with doing anything. Like I said, if it took this long to find some artifacts that were hid simply for their protection, how much better do you think wmd's are hidden? If you have ever done anything in your life...at all, you would realize the difference between saying you are going to do something, and actually doing it.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 21:00 Post subject:
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hahaha. Rennol, you make me laugh. It's not your views really. I have plenty of liberal friends whose opinions I respect very much. It's your close-mindedness that you try to hide by claiming that you are being objective.
In case you missed it, I'll highlight the relevant points for you.
| Quote: | | I'd really like to believe Bush when I see him telling us for the first, second, third, fourth, etc. times that there are weapons and that 'proof is forthcoming'. Problem is that, he has been saying the same thing for a long time, and I haven't seen it backed up. |
I'd really like to believe Bush...
| Quote: | | Anyways.. time will tell.. but I personally think Bush just wanted to get Saddam out and took us for a ride, and will try to cloak himself in the righteousness that he believes is his by 'freeing' the Iraqi people. |
I just personally think he's a liar who used the US military for his own personal gratification.
How very objective of you.
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bkarr
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 21:47 Post subject:
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stop being such f*****g idiots you stupid f*****g idiots.
idiots.
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bkarr
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 21:49 Post subject:
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seriously.
f*****g idiots.
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Rennol
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 22:02 Post subject:
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That is my opinion I have decided upon through his actions =D
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NickPSH
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 22:16 Post subject:
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If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and impoverished, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce, in all sincerity, to every corner of the world, that America's global interventions have come to an end, and inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the USA but now -- oddly enough -- a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims. There would be more than enough money. One year's military budget of 330 billion dollars is equal to more than $18,000 an hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated.
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bkarr
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 22:18 Post subject:
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and then i'd take over and put things back to the right way, you f*****g idiot.
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NickPSH
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 22:28 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | and then i'd take over and put things back to the right way, you f*****g idiot. |
Shut up you f*****g Republican.
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 22:57 Post subject:
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| bkarr wrote: | stop being such f*****g idiots you stupid f*****g idiots.
idiots. |
/ditto
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 06/07/03 - 23:54 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | That is my opinion I have decided upon through his actions =D |
Not really...it's your opinion decided by his politics. It's slightly different.
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bkarr
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Posted: 06/08/03 - 03:52 Post subject:
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I'm serious. if you idiot kids dont stop being f*****g idiots i'm going to get my gun and shoot something. probably you.
f*****g idiot kids.
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Kbarr
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Posted: 06/08/03 - 09:57 Post subject:
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| bkarr wrote: |
f*****g idiot kids. |
Yup.
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