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ATM Banana
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kbarr is actually right on this one.
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Zonk
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 03:57 Post subject:
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| Scrotum wrote: | | Well, as your great leader said, "Dig deep into your pockets". In other words, he doesnt plan on paying for it, or can't. thought you guys were ready for this kinda stuff |
Fucktard.
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khrath
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 04:36 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | f**k anybody who said to bull doze the city and move it. Thats my f*****g home. Yes it may be cost effective but that city is priceless with regards to sentimental value and historical value. Raise the levees, drain the city, and start over. This COULD have been prevented if the levees had been raised sooner. Higher levees = no flooding = not much damage. Any city hit by a hurricane of this magnitude would be in shambles. Yes New Orleans is a little bit worse off, but it will live on. |
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
City's in the USA get hit by hurricanes much stronger than that one every single year, and have minimal damage done to them, because they aren't idiots who build towns below sea level.
There is no historical value to things that no longer exist.
That city is not your home anymore, it no longer exists as it once did because it was built under sea level.
It would be simply retarded to rebuild New Orleans in the same location.
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PyttRock69
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 06:42 Post subject:
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Move the city to a safer location, wtf is wrong with that? Why would you want it in the same spot when something like that could just happen again. I was disgusted with what I saw on CNN, stubborn people who were too stupid to leave when a f*****g hurricane was about to devastate the entire city(UHHH WHICH WAY DID HE GO GEORGE, WHICH WAY DID HE GO DUR). It makes me f*****g p****d that our tax dollars have to go to people that worthless, and don't even get me started on the f*****g looters who are actually KILLING POLICE OFFICERS. f**k your ghetto ass city. f**k those people, and I hope they don't have insurance so I don't have to pay for those stupid f***s. If I could I would shit on their f*****g head.
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xizorr
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 10:55 Post subject:
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| khrath wrote: | | Trebel wrote: | | f**k anybody who said to bull doze the city and move it. Thats my f*****g home. Yes it may be cost effective but that city is priceless with regards to sentimental value and historical value. Raise the levees, drain the city, and start over. This COULD have been prevented if the levees had been raised sooner. Higher levees = no flooding = not much damage. Any city hit by a hurricane of this magnitude would be in shambles. Yes New Orleans is a little bit worse off, but it will live on. |
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
City's in the USA get hit by hurricanes much stronger than that one every single year, and have minimal damage done to them, because they aren't idiots who build towns below sea level.
There is no historical value to things that no longer exist.
That city is not your home anymore, it no longer exists as it once did because it was built under sea level.
It would be simply retarded to rebuild New Orleans in the same location. |
Umm no they don't get hit by storms stronger than this.
This one is in the top 4. But since they do, tell me over the last 4 years of every cat 5 storm to hit the US. On top of that find another one that was this big.
Here let me help you out a little. Here is the top 10 before this one
Rank Hurricane Year Category
(at landfall) Minimum air pressure, in inches
1 Florida Keys 1935 5 26.35
2 Camille 1969 5 26.84
3 Andrew 1992 5 27.23
4 Florida Keys, Texas 1919 4 27.37
5 Lake Okeechobee, Fla. 1928 4 27.43
6 Donna 1960 4 27.46
7 New Orleans 1915 4 27.49
7 Carla 1961 4 27.49
9 Hugo 1989 4 27.58
10 Miami, Pensacola, Fla.; Miss., Ala. 1926 4 27.61
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/hurricane/history/hurricanes-strongest.htm
Here is a list of every one to hit the us in the last 15 years.
Year Month States Affected and Category by States Highest Saffir-Simpson U.S. Category Central Pressure (mb) Max. Winds (kt) Name
1989 Oct TX, N1 1 983 75 Jerry
1991 Aug RI, 2; MA, 2; NY, 2; CT, 2 2 962 90 Bob
1992 Aug FL, SE5, SW4; LA, 3 5 922 145 Andrew
1993 Aug * NC, 3 3 960 100 Emily
1995 Aug FL, NW2, SE1 2 973 85 Erin
1995 Oct FL, NW3 3 942 100 Opal
1996 Jul NC, 2 2 974 90 Bertha
1996 Sep NC, 3 3 954 100 Fran
1997 Jul LA, 1; AL, 1 1 984 70 Danny
1998 Aug NC, 2 2 964 95 Bonnie
1998 Sep FL, NW1 1 987 70 Earl
1998 Sep FL, SW2; MS, 2 2 964 90 Georges
1999 Aug TX, S3 3 951 100 Bret
1999 Sep NC, 2 2 956 90 Floyd
1999 Oct FL, SW1 1 987 70 Irene
2002 Oct LA, 1 1 963 80 Lili
2003 Jul TX, C1 1 979 80 Claudette
2003 Sep NC, 2; VA, 1 2 957 90 Isabel
2004 Aug * NC, 1 1 972 70 Alex
2004 Aug FL, SW4, SE1, NE1; SC,1; NC,1 4 941 130 Charley
2004 Aug SC, 1 1 985 65 Gaston
2004 Sep FL, SE2, SW1 2 960 90 Frances
2004 Sep AL, 3; FL, NW3 3 946 105 Ivan
2004 Sep FL, SE3, SW1, NW1 3 950 105 Jeanne
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/Deadliest_Costliest.shtml
In case you didn't know its already been stated that when New York takes a hit of a cat 3 storm or greater it will be under water as well.
There have been several shows on discovery about it. But here is some info that I could find real fast.
Experts now believe that after Miami and New Orleans, New York City is considered the third most dangerous major city for the next hurricane disaster. According to a 1990 study by the US Army Corps of Engineers, the city has some unique and potentially lethal features. New York's major bridges such as the Verrazano Narrows and the George Washington are so high that they would experience hurricane force winds well before those winds were felt at sea-level locations. Therefore, these escape routes would have to be closed well before ground-level bridges (Time, 1998). The two ferry services across the Long Island Sound would also be shut down 6-12 hours before the storm surge invaded the waters around Long Island, further decreasing the potential for evacuation.
A storm surge prediction program used by forecasters called SLOSH (Sea, Lake, and Overland Surge from Hurricanes) has predicted that in a category 4 hurricane, John F. Kennedy International Airport would be under 20 feet of water and sea water would pour through the Holland and Brooklyn-Battery tunnels and into the city's subways throughout lower Manhattan. The report did not estimate casualties, but did state that storms "that would present low to moderate hazards in other regions of the country could result in heavy loss of life" in the New York City area (Time, 1998).
Christopher Landsea, a meteorologist at the Hurricane Research Division, and Roger A. Pielke, a social scientist at NCAR, looked at the most destructive U.S. hurricanes on record and predicted the cost if these storms were to hit today. The diagram to the right shows quite clearly that the northeast U.S., especially the Long Island and New York City regions, would suffer greatly. Of the 15 "worst" storms, Long Island would be affected by five of them and the 1938 hurricane today would be considered the 6th costliest of all time. In 1998 dollars, the damage would be nearly $18 billion. Of all the natural disasters in the United States, hurricanes account for about two-thirds of the insured property losses (USGS, 1998).
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Nahualli
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 10:59 Post subject:
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But what are the chances of a hurricane hitting Nee York? Hurricanes are almost exclusively tropical storms.. by the time they get to the height New York is at they're just farts. I think the closest that's happened recently is Jeanne and even that wasn't terribly close to New York.
-Nah-
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xizorr
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 11:25 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | But what are the chances of a hurricane hitting Nee York? Hurricanes are almost exclusively tropical storms.. by the time they get to the height New York is at they're just farts. I think the closest that's happened recently is Jeanne and even that wasn't terribly close to New York.
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But to be exact the last big storm that hit was 1938 cat 3. But at the same time the last deadly storm to do new orleans like this was the 1960's. and that was wind damage and not this bad. The last time New Orleans was under water was 1927 and it was from the mississippi river.. We had storms here before that wipe out cities all along the gulf and east coast. Should we not rebuild those or are we just talking about flood waters. If so this is really the first time New Orleans has been under like this from a hurricane.
There is always flooding down here, just not to this level. Just like your earthquake example there are always earthquakes, just no all on the level like the one in the early 1900 that hit. A big one could happen again that could wipe out SF. I don't know exact scale I'm sure you could fill in that info but we are talking about dmg. We have had cat 5 storms hit here before and NO make it, the conditions have to be right for it to hit N.O. like it did to do this. We have had close calls but this one was the closest yet.
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Isriam
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 11:26 Post subject:
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new orleans is a shithole. im sure almost everyone here has been there and probably agree's its full of f*****g trash poor people who need to get off their fat asses and get a job.
any intelligent person knows you don't live below sea level. and you sure as f**k don't expect the city to survive a hurricane. i lived through plenty of hurricanes, i saw it wash away entire islands in ft. walton beach. anyone who stayed in new orleans, and now wants to rebuild that shit is an idiot.
if you've been to louisana you know what a f*****g swamp it is. between baton rouge, lafayette, and new orleans is nothing but swamp. hell you don't see people building cities in the middle of the everglades.
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xizorr
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 11:58 Post subject:
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Its a controlled spillway for the mississippi river to keep other states from flooding but at the same time keeping river levels up to allow ships up the mississippi.
So since you saw fort walton when it was under water and destroyed should they or should they not have rebuilt would be the question?
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Isriam
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 13:10 Post subject:
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ft walton wasn't underwater, and no they didn't rebuild the parts that got washed away. been to okaloosa island lately? half of that is nothing but flattened dunes.
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kbarr
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 09/02/05 - 13:15 Post subject:
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| Samiam wrote: | | Bourbon Street MUST be saved. Otherwise, I'm on the fence. |
Aren't you swiss?
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Trebel
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Posted: 09/04/05 - 17:00 Post subject:
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| Isriam wrote: | new orleans is a shithole. im sure almost everyone here has been there and probably agree's its full of f*****g trash poor people who need to get off their fat asses and get a job.
any intelligent person knows you don't live below sea level. and you sure as f**k don't expect the city to survive a hurricane. i lived through plenty of hurricanes, i saw it wash away entire islands in ft. walton beach. anyone who stayed in new orleans, and now wants to rebuild that shit is an idiot.
if you've been to louisana you know what a f*****g swamp it is. between baton rouge, lafayette, and new orleans is nothing but swamp. hell you don't see people building cities in the middle of the everglades. |
You my friend are a f*****g idiot. If you are talking that way about New Orleans then you must have not seen the entire garden District... the "Uptown" Area. This area is filled with old money, and beautiful houses that are probably nicer than any house you or I live in. The Quarter is beautiful too. yes the streets are dirty (paritcularly Bourbon... but try having 1000's of people partying on 1 street year round and keeping it clean). Yes there is a large poor population. There ARE ghettos in EVERY major US City. Just because New Orleans has a few more than others doesn't mean the city is a shit hole. The problem here is not that New Orleans is below sea level... the problem is that no preliminary precautions were made for a storm this massive. If the levees were raised before a storm hit, then the city would have largely been protected from the storm surge. Also... there have been other areas in this country that have flooded worse than new orleans solely from rain overflowing rivers. Happen to recall the floods of the Mississippi River a few years back, in the mid west.
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Pags
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Posted: 09/04/05 - 17:28 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | Isriam wrote: | new orleans is a shithole. im sure almost everyone here has been there and probably agree's its full of f*****g trash poor people who need to get off their fat asses and get a job.
any intelligent person knows you don't live below sea level. and you sure as f**k don't expect the city to survive a hurricane. i lived through plenty of hurricanes, i saw it wash away entire islands in ft. walton beach. anyone who stayed in new orleans, and now wants to rebuild that shit is an idiot.
if you've been to louisana you know what a f*****g swamp it is. between baton rouge, lafayette, and new orleans is nothing but swamp. hell you don't see people building cities in the middle of the everglades. |
The problem here is not that New Orleans is below sea level... |
This is exactly the problem.
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quotison
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Posted: 09/04/05 - 17:37 Post subject:
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I voted yes based on the assumptions that a) the city can be rebuilt in a way that would protect it from category 5 hurrcianes and b) the city serves important enough economic purposes (major port, etc). Of course those are just assumptions, which may or may not be completely true.
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Trebel
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Posted: 09/04/05 - 18:32 Post subject:
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| Pags wrote: | | Trebel wrote: | | Isriam wrote: | new orleans is a shithole. im sure almost everyone here has been there and probably agree's its full of f*****g trash poor people who need to get off their fat asses and get a job.
any intelligent person knows you don't live below sea level. and you sure as f**k don't expect the city to survive a hurricane. i lived through plenty of hurricanes, i saw it wash away entire islands in ft. walton beach. anyone who stayed in new orleans, and now wants to rebuild that shit is an idiot.
if you've been to louisana you know what a f*****g swamp it is. between baton rouge, lafayette, and new orleans is nothing but swamp. hell you don't see people building cities in the middle of the everglades. |
The problem here is not that New Orleans is below sea level... |
This is exactly the problem. |
WTG only quoting half of the sentence. Being below sea level is only a problem if water is allowed to get in. If it isn't then there is no problem. If the levies were raised then the sea level point would be moot.
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kireol
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Posted: 09/04/05 - 18:50 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | Pags wrote: | | Trebel wrote: | | Isriam wrote: | new orleans is a shithole. im sure almost everyone here has been there and probably agree's its full of f*****g trash poor people who need to get off their fat asses and get a job.
any intelligent person knows you don't live below sea level. and you sure as f**k don't expect the city to survive a hurricane. i lived through plenty of hurricanes, i saw it wash away entire islands in ft. walton beach. anyone who stayed in new orleans, and now wants to rebuild that shit is an idiot.
if you've been to louisana you know what a f*****g swamp it is. between baton rouge, lafayette, and new orleans is nothing but swamp. hell you don't see people building cities in the middle of the everglades. |
The problem here is not that New Orleans is below sea level... |
This is exactly the problem. |
WTG only quoting half of the sentence. Being below sea level is only a problem if water is allowed to get in. If it isn't then there is no problem. If the levies were raised then the sea level point would be moot. |
i disagree
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Galdaria
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Posted: 09/04/05 - 19:00 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | Nahualli wrote: | a city built below sea level which will never, under any circumstances mitigate flooding because of the essential priniciple of gravity we all live under.
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What if they build the city on rafts! |
YES YES!!! And they can name it waterworld and make a really f*****g horribly lame movie about it. Brilliant.
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Conqueso
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Posted: 09/04/05 - 22:01 Post subject:
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Only portions of New Orleans, mostly the east bank are below sea level: New Orleans . I would say anything in the I10 corridor should not be rebuilt and any new structures (housing, commercial, etc) have some "floodable" structure (garage, "basement", etc). The location of New Orleans is strategic for shipping. I seriously doubt it will be completely abandonned.
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Zwadrich
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Posted: 09/05/05 - 06:26 Post subject:
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| Samiam wrote: | | I'd still go for the Venice idea. Throw in a little Venice beach influence and you'd have one hell of a tourist destination. |
The US already has its own Venice.. Its in Las Vegas iirc
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Starks
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Posted: 09/05/05 - 10:57 Post subject:
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It pains me to agree with Kbarr.
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Cardnyl
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Posted: 09/06/05 - 13:07 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | f**k anybody who said to bull doze the city and move it. Thats my f*****g home. Yes it may be cost effective but that city is priceless with regards to sentimental value and historical value. Raise the levees, drain the city, and start over. This COULD have been prevented if the levees had been raised sooner. Higher levees = no flooding = not much damage. Any city hit by a hurricane of this magnitude would be in shambles. Yes New Orleans is a little bit worse off, but it will live on. |
Priceless to whom? No one so much as blinks a f*****g eye when Florida gets hammer spammed by hurricanes.
I say bulldoze it. Oceanfront property is dumb (I live 30miles inland before you f*****s go pointing out the fact im from Florida which most consider "completely beachfront" mainly out of retardation in the gene pool).
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Trebel
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Posted: 09/06/05 - 14:38 Post subject:
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Obviously priceless to me or I wouldn't have said it you dumb c**t. happen tor ecall hurricane Andrew... Florida got as much press and aid as we are now in New Orleans. i am also sure that to people from Florida, that their homes and their towns are also priceless to them.
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