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I wish the owners would show some collective spine and just refuse to employ players like Randy Moss and Terrell Owens. In no other profession could employees get away with the behavior they do and still have a job...
But if 1 employer is willing to hire these idiots because they can play well and ignores everything else, then the others have to in order to compete - sucks all around.
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It's entertainment. Do you avoid certain movies because of the antics/politics/whatever of some of the actors?
Moss is a bad apple but the boy sure can play football...
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Yes, if the antics/politics/whatever of those actors are part of the movie.
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Andur Ravenblade
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TO actually helps his team though. Talking smack in sports is fine if you back it up. And after what he did coming back from the injury to play that well in the Superbowl despite the possiblility of ending his career. I don't really think you can compare him to Randy Moss.
As for this trade, who cares. Raiders still aren't going to do anything next year. And now neither will the Vikings.
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And the Raiders will still suck. They have other areas that need to be addressed before the wide receiver position!
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Andur Ravenblade
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Yeah actually their wide outs were good last year. I had a few of them on my Fantasy team for a game or two. Problem was like all of them got hurt. Was really annoying.
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gotissues68
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Randy Moss is a perfect example for the other ongoing thread, Randy Moss is a n****r...
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Vekril
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actually Frax I will avoid movies for hte most extreme political activists
I won't see any movie starring Susan Sarandon or Sean Penn, obviously I won't ever give my money to a Michael Moore picture, and I won't see a Bruce Springsteen concert even though I am from NJ and love his older stuff.
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| Vekril wrote: | I wish the owners would show some collective spine and just refuse to employ players like Randy Moss and Terrell Owens. In no other profession could employees get away with the behavior they do and still have a job...
But if 1 employer is willing to hire these idiots because they can play well and ignores everything else, then the others have to in order to compete - sucks all around. |
For real.
| Quote: | | It's entertainment. Do you avoid certain movies because of the antics/politics/whatever of some of the actors? |
Yes.
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frax is just happy his team gota bigname player!
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Frax
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| Yanbik wrote: | | frax is just happy his team gota bigname player! |
pfft we have Rich Gannon (who is going to be cut) and Charles Woodson(who is going to be traded) !
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Kerry Collins for MVP...
He'll have 25-30 TD passes and break 90 on his QB Rating if this trade goes through. Moss IS that good of a player. I expect Cullpepper to be somewhere around 20 TD passes, 15 ints, twice the sacks and in the 80s for his QB rating next year.
If your organization is willing to put up with his antics, speeches, b******t, dancing, etc, which I'm sure the Raiders are, then he will own for you. Besides, have you ever been to Oakland? Moss fits right in. Sometimes a little noise is what it takes to take a team to the next level or in the Raider's case, bring it back.
Of course noise isn't always required. Look at Bruce Smith for the Buffalo Bills in they're hayday. Sure they never won a Super Bowl but he carried a defense to 4 straight SBs. He wasn't noisy, he just played.
A perfect example of both, believe it or not, is Phili from last year.
Phili was willing to put up with TO and he brought life to an offense struggling to put up points. He brings swagger to a team lacking character. Gave confidence to a team looking for playoff answers. Even without him in most of the playoffs they were willing to ride that swagger from the regular season into the playoffs and decimate teams. I also believe Javon Kearse had a lot to do with the Eagle's success last year as well. He didn't haveto be noisy, he made his defense better purely by him being on the field.
Can Moss bring back swagger to the Raiders? Who knows. Maybe Moss can convince his ganja smoking brutha Rickey Williams to come out of his bong and play some more football. That would ignite an offense who was horrible. Moss himself can lift the passing game. The Vikings running offense was set up by the pass. I'm sure the same thing will happen in Oak town.
Thus ends my football essay. I hope you enjoyed it.
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Frax
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The raiders had a lot of problems last year, the passing game wasn't one of them.
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Yanbik
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| Frax wrote: | | Yanbik wrote: | | frax is just happy his team gota bigname player! |
pfft we have Rich Gannon (who is going to be cut) and Charles Woodson(who is going to be traded) ! |
i stand by what i said
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oakland is a team more suited for his attitude
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you missed a key fact Kayas
Terrell Owens is a loudmouth showoff, BUT he is a player who gives 100%
Randy Moss is a highly gifted, worthless sack of shit who admits taking plays off during games and is lacking what is known as "heart" Remember him heading to the locker room during one loss?
As much as I hate his personality, TO is a real player. Moss has talent, but that is it, and he won't lead a team to anything.
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on the upside the raider's games are rarely televised making it easier to avoiding the idiot all together.
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| Frax wrote: | | The raiders had a lot of problems last year, the passing game wasn't one of them. |
It wasn't good enough to set up the run the way a West Coast Offense needs to.
It wasn't good enough win more than 5 games.
The Raiders all season including all players rushed only 328 times. That includes, scrambles and kneeldowns. Only Zereoue had more than 100 rushes on the season.
Curtis Martin had 371 rushing attempts himself. Ladanian Tomlinson rushed 339 times by himself.
Yes the running game was bad if not pathetic. However, combined Collins and Gannon had 24 TDs but 22 INTs. 22 INTs is horrible.
The Offensive Line was offensive also which lead to the lack of running game and 9999999 penalties which cost them first downs, TDs, among other things.
Lets look at the stats that really matter:
The Raiders threw the ball 582 times.
The Vikings threw the ball 552 times.
So the Vikings threw the ball 30 times less which is pretty close. Lets for arguement's sake call it a wash. That's less than twice a game.
The Vikings caught the ball 50 times more. Moss caught 49 balls on the season.
The Vikings had 15 more TDs. Moss caught 13 total.
The Raiders had 4019 yards.
The Vikings had 4754 yards. Moss had 767 of those yards.
49 catches, 13 TDs, 767 yards . That is very close to the difference between the Vikings and Raiders totals this year: 50 catches, 15TDs, 735 yards. The stats don't lie.
Not convinced?
The Vikings gave up 49 sacks compared to the Raiders 30(25 on Collins). That clearly doesn't make the vikings O-Line that much more dominant.
The Vikings did rush for 4.7 yards per carry where the Raiders rushed for 3.9 yards per carry. It could be because the Vikings had better backs, however, I believe this difference could have come from having Moss in the game. The Vikings had 5 backs over 100 yards for the season and one over 500(544), same with the Raiders except their top rusher only had 425 yards. The vikings did run the ball better but they used 5 different guys all season as did the raiders. A more threatening WR leaves less people in the box to stop the run giving a few more yards per carry for each back.
Besides the fact the intangible effect of having a guy like Moss to cover on defense. No secondary in the AFC west is great let alone good. That's 7 of their games next year.
Anyway, this shouldn't be downplayed. I think the Vikings are going to get screwed on this deal. Moss is 10x more valuable than an unproven player out of college.
Assuming Sapp decides to play football instead of eat, the Raiders might stop the run a little more which is what gave them troubles on defense all year. 120 yards per game is horrible.
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Yanbik
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| Vekril wrote: | you missed a key fact Kayas
Terrell Owens is a loudmouth showoff, BUT he is a player who gives 100%
Randy Moss is a highly gifted, worthless sack of shit who admits taking plays off during games and is lacking what is known as "heart" Remember him heading to the locker room during one loss?
As much as I hate his personality, TO is a real player. Moss has talent, but that is it, and he won't lead a team to anything. |
That was when the redskins owned em! i was at that game and laughed at mr.moss
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| Vekril wrote: |
Randy Moss is a highly gifted, worthless sack of shit who admits taking plays off during games and is lacking what is known as "heart" Remember him heading to the locker room during one loss?
Moss has talent, but that is it, and he won't lead a team to anything. |
TO is a real player, I agree. A showoff, loudmouth, even delusional, but he inspires. He cheers his team on. He's on the sidelines even when he's hurt giving 100% of everything he has every minute of the game. TO became a different person in Phili than he was in SF. Still loud, just more positive. Perhaps it was due to them winning.
Moss has had a poor attitude and apathy when he's not on TV, losing a game, not getting the ball enough or the milk in his wheaties was 1 degree too warm.
I agree on both terms. Perhaps Moss's attitude in the Great White North was poor and perhaps he will be better suited in the Great Black West. 
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Frax,
They kept Woodson and Franchised him. They also re-signed Porter. Moss, Porter, Woodson are staying for now. They did say they would have to pay more money to Gannon if they cut him, so they will either keep him on as a coach or he will retire on his own. Collins took a pay cut in order for all this to happen, good move on his part. Sapp and Washington are being looked at right now for either trades or for big time discussion regarding their current pay.
I like the moves really, I just wish they would drop that j*****s Bucannon (not philip) and pick up a decent Linebacker. On offense they need to pick up an every down running back, drop wheatly, and we are set! Moss, Porter, Curry, Gabriel... best wide receiver team around and a nice selection of receivers for Fantasy leagues.
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Andur Ravenblade
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| Kayas wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | The raiders had a lot of problems last year, the passing game wasn't one of them. |
It wasn't good enough to set up the run the way a West Coast Offense needs to.
It wasn't good enough win more than 5 games.
The Raiders all season including all players rushed only 328 times. That includes, scrambles and kneeldowns. Only Zereoue had more than 100 rushes on the season.
Curtis Martin had 371 rushing attempts himself. Ladanian Tomlinson rushed 339 times by himself.
Yes the running game was bad if not pathetic. However, combined Collins and Gannon had 24 TDs but 22 INTs. 22 INTs is horrible.
The Offensive Line was offensive also which lead to the lack of running game and 9999999 penalties which cost them first downs, TDs, among other things.
Lets look at the stats that really matter:
The Raiders threw the ball 582 times.
The Vikings threw the ball 552 times.
So the Vikings threw the ball 30 times less which is pretty close. Lets for arguement's sake call it a wash. That's less than twice a game.
The Vikings caught the ball 50 times more. Moss caught 49 balls on the season.
The Vikings had 15 more TDs. Moss caught 13 total.
The Raiders had 4019 yards.
The Vikings had 4754 yards. Moss had 767 of those yards.
49 catches, 13 TDs, 767 yards . That is very close to the difference between the Vikings and Raiders totals this year: 50 catches, 15TDs, 735 yards. The stats don't lie.
Not convinced?
The Vikings gave up 49 sacks compared to the Raiders 30(25 on Collins). That clearly doesn't make the vikings O-Line that much more dominant.
The Vikings did rush for 4.7 yards per carry where the Raiders rushed for 3.9 yards per carry. It could be because the Vikings had better backs, however, I believe this difference could have come from having Moss in the game. The Vikings had 5 backs over 100 yards for the season and one over 500(544), same with the Raiders except their top rusher only had 425 yards. The vikings did run the ball better but they used 5 different guys all season as did the raiders. A more threatening WR leaves less people in the box to stop the run giving a few more yards per carry for each back.
Besides the fact the intangible effect of having a guy like Moss to cover on defense. No secondary in the AFC west is great let alone good. That's 7 of their games next year.
Anyway, this shouldn't be downplayed. I think the Vikings are going to get screwed on this deal. Moss is 10x more valuable than an unproven player out of college.
Assuming Sapp decides to play football instead of eat, the Raiders might stop the run a little more which is what gave them troubles on defense all year. 120 yards per game is horrible. |
Vikings are screwed. But I think you are overestimating Gannon/Collins, and completely ignoring Daunte, and the fact that defenses have to play as if he could run the ball at any point.
Raiders are still going to suck.
Edit: Silly me forgot to add Collins.
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Kerry Collins is one of the best ball throwers in the league. He is always great until clutch time. Being a long time Giants fan, I was p****d to see him leave. I hate Eli, he sucks. He would have had an 0'fer if Tiki wasn't the man in their last game.
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| Zyrak wrote: | Frax,
They kept Woodson and Franchised him. They also re-signed Porter. Moss, Porter, Woodson are staying for now. They did say they would have to pay more money to Gannon if they cut him, so they will either keep him on as a coach or he will retire on his own. Collins took a pay cut in order for all this to happen, good move on his part. Sapp and Washington are being looked at right now for either trades or for big time discussion regarding their current pay.
I like the moves really, I just wish they would drop that j*****s Bucannon (not philip) and pick up a decent Linebacker. On offense they need to pick up an every down running back, drop wheatly, and we are set! Moss, Porter, Curry, Gabriel... best wide receiver team around and a nice selection of receivers for Fantasy leagues. |
Woodson was franchised, but he's not f*****g worth 10 million /year like he'll get with the franchise tag. They are going to make him work for a trade, to get a 1st rounder back and then basically we'll end up getting randy moss for nothing.
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| Andur Ravenblade wrote: | | Kayas wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | The raiders had a lot of problems last year, the passing game wasn't one of them. |
It wasn't good enough to set up the run the way a West Coast Offense needs to.
It wasn't good enough win more than 5 games.
The Raiders all season including all players rushed only 328 times. That includes, scrambles and kneeldowns. Only Zereoue had more than 100 rushes on the season.
Curtis Martin had 371 rushing attempts himself. Ladanian Tomlinson rushed 339 times by himself.
Yes the running game was bad if not pathetic. However, combined Collins and Gannon had 24 TDs but 22 INTs. 22 INTs is horrible.
The Offensive Line was offensive also which lead to the lack of running game and 9999999 penalties which cost them first downs, TDs, among other things.
Lets look at the stats that really matter:
The Raiders threw the ball 582 times.
The Vikings threw the ball 552 times.
So the Vikings threw the ball 30 times less which is pretty close. Lets for arguement's sake call it a wash. That's less than twice a game.
The Vikings caught the ball 50 times more. Moss caught 49 balls on the season.
The Vikings had 15 more TDs. Moss caught 13 total.
The Raiders had 4019 yards.
The Vikings had 4754 yards. Moss had 767 of those yards.
49 catches, 13 TDs, 767 yards . That is very close to the difference between the Vikings and Raiders totals this year: 50 catches, 15TDs, 735 yards. The stats don't lie.
Not convinced?
The Vikings gave up 49 sacks compared to the Raiders 30(25 on Collins). That clearly doesn't make the vikings O-Line that much more dominant.
The Vikings did rush for 4.7 yards per carry where the Raiders rushed for 3.9 yards per carry. It could be because the Vikings had better backs, however, I believe this difference could have come from having Moss in the game. The Vikings had 5 backs over 100 yards for the season and one over 500(544), same with the Raiders except their top rusher only had 425 yards. The vikings did run the ball better but they used 5 different guys all season as did the raiders. A more threatening WR leaves less people in the box to stop the run giving a few more yards per carry for each back.
Besides the fact the intangible effect of having a guy like Moss to cover on defense. No secondary in the AFC west is great let alone good. That's 7 of their games next year.
Anyway, this shouldn't be downplayed. I think the Vikings are going to get screwed on this deal. Moss is 10x more valuable than an unproven player out of college.
Assuming Sapp decides to play football instead of eat, the Raiders might stop the run a little more which is what gave them troubles on defense all year. 120 yards per game is horrible. |
Vikings are screwed. But I think you are overestimating Gannon/Collins, and completely ignoring Daunte, and the fact that defenses have to play as if he could run the ball at any point.
Raiders are still going to suck.
Edit: Silly me forgot to add Collins. |
Moss missed 5 games this year? Thats why his numbers sucked. He still scored mad touchdowns.
Gannon hasn't been himself since the superbowl.. He started out last season awesome till he cracked his neck. He's done now i'd say 90% sure.
Collins can be awesome withi the right talent. CHeck out the years he was throwing to a young Amani Toomer and Ike HIlliard.. they were tearing shit up.
As I said before, the raiders passing game was not the f*****g problem. The running game and Defense held them back the last 2 seasons. They need to shitcan C.Woodson and P.Buchanon and just sign some decent guys who tackle since DBs can't even touch the wideouts anymore.
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| Frax wrote: | | Andur Ravenblade wrote: | | Kayas wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | The raiders had a lot of problems last year, the passing game wasn't one of them. |
It wasn't good enough to set up the run the way a West Coast Offense needs to.
It wasn't good enough win more than 5 games.
The Raiders all season including all players rushed only 328 times. That includes, scrambles and kneeldowns. Only Zereoue had more than 100 rushes on the season.
Curtis Martin had 371 rushing attempts himself. Ladanian Tomlinson rushed 339 times by himself.
Yes the running game was bad if not pathetic. However, combined Collins and Gannon had 24 TDs but 22 INTs. 22 INTs is horrible.
The Offensive Line was offensive also which lead to the lack of running game and 9999999 penalties which cost them first downs, TDs, among other things.
Lets look at the stats that really matter:
The Raiders threw the ball 582 times.
The Vikings threw the ball 552 times.
So the Vikings threw the ball 30 times less which is pretty close. Lets for arguement's sake call it a wash. That's less than twice a game.
The Vikings caught the ball 50 times more. Moss caught 49 balls on the season.
The Vikings had 15 more TDs. Moss caught 13 total.
The Raiders had 4019 yards.
The Vikings had 4754 yards. Moss had 767 of those yards.
49 catches, 13 TDs, 767 yards . That is very close to the difference between the Vikings and Raiders totals this year: 50 catches, 15TDs, 735 yards. The stats don't lie.
Not convinced?
The Vikings gave up 49 sacks compared to the Raiders 30(25 on Collins). That clearly doesn't make the vikings O-Line that much more dominant.
The Vikings did rush for 4.7 yards per carry where the Raiders rushed for 3.9 yards per carry. It could be because the Vikings had better backs, however, I believe this difference could have come from having Moss in the game. The Vikings had 5 backs over 100 yards for the season and one over 500(544), same with the Raiders except their top rusher only had 425 yards. The vikings did run the ball better but they used 5 different guys all season as did the raiders. A more threatening WR leaves less people in the box to stop the run giving a few more yards per carry for each back.
Besides the fact the intangible effect of having a guy like Moss to cover on defense. No secondary in the AFC west is great let alone good. That's 7 of their games next year.
Anyway, this shouldn't be downplayed. I think the Vikings are going to get screwed on this deal. Moss is 10x more valuable than an unproven player out of college.
Assuming Sapp decides to play football instead of eat, the Raiders might stop the run a little more which is what gave them troubles on defense all year. 120 yards per game is horrible. |
Vikings are screwed. But I think you are overestimating Gannon/Collins, and completely ignoring Daunte, and the fact that defenses have to play as if he could run the ball at any point.
Raiders are still going to suck.
Edit: Silly me forgot to add Collins. |
Moss missed 5 games this year? Thats why his numbers sucked. He still scored mad touchdowns.
Gannon hasn't been himself since the superbowl.. He started out last season awesome till he cracked his neck. He's done now i'd say 90% sure.
Collins can be awesome withi the right talent. CHeck out the years he was throwing to a young Amani Toomer and Ike HIlliard.. they were tearing shit up.
As I said before, the raiders passing game was not the f*****g problem. The running game and Defense held them back the last 2 seasons. They need to shitcan C.Woodson and P.Buchanon and just sign some decent guys who tackle since DBs can't even touch the wideouts anymore. |
Might see some games like the old 49ers if you're right.
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God, Oakland's running game is moribund. They're not going to win more than 6 until they fix that.
As for Minnesota, they have the luxury of going on the cheap and letting Moss go because they're still assured a playoff spot in their division - and that's all they could hope for anyways.
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The vikes playing the NFC North certainly helps.. not alot of competition there, but its better then NFC west *sigh* where the Seachickens play. I think even with a mediocre receiving corps that the Vikes will prolly still win the division next year. Culpepper is still a beast.
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