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Woody
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 Posted: 06/26/03 - 01:59 Post subject: RIAA to sue downloaders
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/25/download.suits.ap/index.html
Think it is going to be interesting to see the overall public response to this after everything happens.
I think downloading music is wrong. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone stealing something I made. I also think that what the RIAA is doing is also wrong. I just think there is another way to solve this. What? I have no idea. When I found a new artist I never heard of and liked their stuff, I went out and purchased the CD to support the artist. I'm going to laugh when they have their list of people to sue and it shows that 75% of them are under 18.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 02:18 Post subject:
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well, if what they say they can do is actually happening, then there will be a lot less available on p2p programs, but these lawsuits are gonna end up f*****g with every person with a computer, whats tha? 70%+ of the nation?
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Finigan
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 02:36 Post subject:
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It's not gonna happen. I don't see how you could sue millions of people. Every person I know downloads music including my parents.
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Celestra
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 02:37 Post subject:
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I download music but I still buy the album if I like it.
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Majy
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 02:42 Post subject:
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Hopefully eventually the music industry and the public will find a happy median, because right now the situation sucks. Don't get me wrong, I f*****g love getting all the music I want for free, shit, CD's are like $20 a pop these days... but at the same time I look at it from the other side of the spectrum. Being that I eventually want to pursue a career in the music industry, I see that this thing I enjoy so much now is the same thing that will eventually affect my chances at getting a job or even being successful in my field. Right now the only people making money in that industry are the biggest artists and the CEO's of the largest labels... everyone else is getting royally screwed.
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r00typooh
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 08:15 Post subject: Re: RIAA to sue downloaders
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| Woody wrote: | http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/25/download.suits.ap/index.html
Think it is going to be interesting to see the overall public response to this after everything happens.
I think downloading music is wrong. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone stealing something I made. I also think that what the RIAA is doing is also wrong. I just think there is another way to solve this. What? I have no idea. When I found a new artist I never heard of and liked their stuff, I went out and purchased the CD to support the artist. I'm going to laugh when they have their list of people to sue and it shows that 75% of them are under 18. |
i <3 u woody
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 08:22 Post subject:
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We've got a guy at work who claims to be a member of Entropy, (he does have all the movies so who's to argue!?!), and was told by his cable internet provider to shut down his server immediately or get sued for a very large sum of money.
So how did they find out about some black guy in Eastpointe, MI providing a couple of movies every week on his server? Dunno, but it certainly seems like they could find everyone else too.
The entertainment industry makes shitloads of money already... they bring the price down on movies and music and maybe I'll support them again. Until then, I guess I'll live without.
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Paco
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 08:32 Post subject:
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hehe, this is funny
greedy/whiny companies..they got what they created, as this is a product of their labors to squeeze all the money outa folks for something that shouldn't cost as much as it does
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Vio
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 08:48 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | We've got a guy at work who claims to be a member of Entropy, (he does have all the movies so who's to argue!?!), and was told by his cable internet provider to shut down his server immediately or get sued for a very large sum of money.
So how did they find out about some black guy in Eastpointe, MI providing a couple of movies every week on his server? Dunno, but it certainly seems like they could find everyone else too.
The entertainment industry makes shitloads of money already... they bring the price down on movies and music and maybe I'll support them again. Until then, I guess I'll live without. |
Easy Akronn I was a member of Kalisto for years - video game release group if you are unaware and people were busted several times and one reason why I stopped releasing games a few years ago now. It is very, very easy to get caught. The first f*****g mistake the fuckhead is doing is saying he is apart of the group right now. there is a ton of people out there who you may know that would f**k you over in a heartbeat if they could
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Frax
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Location: Fuck yoiu fucking fuckers
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 09:01 Post subject:
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Vio is right, these are computer geek criminals, not street thugs. Think they last long in a police interrogation room? I bet half of them are p*****g in their pants when they get caught, willing to do anything to lessen their jail term.
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Jinu
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 09:05 Post subject:
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| Majy wrote: | | Being that I eventually want to pursue a career in the music industry, I see that this thing I enjoy so much now is the same thing that will eventually affect my chances at getting a job or even being successful in my field. |
didn't you hear, boy bands are out.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 09:15 Post subject:
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Gee, imagine the hell it would be if the only people who continued to make music did so for the love of it and not the money.
Oh dear, let's hope that never happens 
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compusmack
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 11:56 Post subject:
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I'm boycotting buying music if they actually follow through with these lawsuits.
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Majy
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 12:10 Post subject:
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| Jinu wrote: | | Majy wrote: | | Being that I eventually want to pursue a career in the music industry, I see that this thing I enjoy so much now is the same thing that will eventually affect my chances at getting a job or even being successful in my field. |
didn't you hear, boy bands are out. |
Tell that to Justin Timberlake while he bangs Britney Spears.
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Minion
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 12:15 Post subject:
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| Celestra wrote: | | I download music but I still buy the album if I like it. |
LMAO somehow I don't think this is going to hold up in court.
"Dude I was just sampling it!"
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Trealin
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 12:19 Post subject:
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Semi-related article..
| Quote: | RIAA Wrath Hits Teen
Student’s Software Provokes Harsh Reaction From Music Industry
By Lindsay Martell, Tech Live
June 9— On April 3, 19-year-old Jesse Jordan received a call that changed his life.
The freshman at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., learned he was being sued by one of the most powerful trade groups in the United States, the Recording Industry Association of America.
Jordan, an information technology major, created ChewPlastic.com, the second most popular search directory on the RPI campus.
"You go to the site, you type in a search term, and it finds files on the network," Jordan said. Jordan compares his site to Google, the popular Internet search engine.
But the RIAA likens Jordan's site to Napster, the now defunct song-swap service that revolutionized the distribution of music.
"The service was no different than Napster," said Amy Weiss, senior vice president of communications for the RIAA. "With one click of a mouse, you can get music, you can get anything you wanted."
"The people who run these Napster networks know full well what they are doing: Operating a sophisticated network designed to enable widespread music thievery," RIAA President Cary Sherman said in a statement issued April 3.
"The lawsuits we've filed represent an appropriate step given the seriousness of the offense," Sherman added.
‘I Never Promoted Piracy’
"I didn't tell people what to share. I never promoted piracy," Jordan said.
"Basically, Napster set out to create its own network specifically for music. What I did was ran a search engine on a campus network [where] the network already existed," Jordan said.
But Jordan did agree to pony up $12,000, his entire savings account, to the RIAA. Jordan and his father, Andy Jordan, felt the settlement was their best option.
"They agreed to allow Jesse to deny their allegations. They agreed to dismiss the case and all allegations against him," the father said. "Basically they agreed that he didn't do anything wrong, but [they're] taking his 12 grand."
Weiss says the RIAA wanted to send a deterrent message others who had similar services up on their college campuses. "Nobody is above the law," she said. "And that is the important thing to remember here."
Jordan knew students were sharing files on his network: pictures, PowerPoint presentations, physics notes, anime, and music. But he refutes the RIAA's claim he "hijacked an academic network" and "installed an emporium for music trading."
"We don't think it's ridiculous to call someone a thief who is, in fact, stealing music. And that's exactly what his system did," said Weiss.
Ruining the Music Business?
Andy Jordan believes that the RIAA's intimidating tactics will undoubtedly hurt the music industry by alienating music buyers. An avid music fan for more than 40 years, he shudders at the impact this will have on the industry's most fervent fans.
"I don't know how strongly the music companies — the people who really run the music companies — I don't know if they realize what the impact of this misguided attempt at intimidation is going to be," Andy said.
While Andy Jordan questions the motives and actions of the RIAA, he basks in pride at his son's steadfast resolve.
"He has stood up to the schoolyard bullies that are pulling this and he's said, 'You are not going to make me say something that's not true,' " the father said.
ChewPlastic.com is asking for donations to help recover the $12,000 settlement. As of June 6, the site has collected more than $1,700.
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The RIAA really needs to wake up and realize what theyre doing. p*****g off your customer base by doing this kind of stuff won't help CD sales any...
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wellspoken
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 14:48 Post subject:
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| Trealin wrote: | Semi-related article..
| Quote: | RIAA Wrath Hits Teen
Student’s Software Provokes Harsh Reaction From Music Industry
By Lindsay Martell, Tech Live
June 9— On April 3, 19-year-old Jesse Jordan received a call that changed his life.
The freshman at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., learned he was being sued by one of the most powerful trade groups in the United States, the Recording Industry Association of America.
Jordan, an information technology major, created ChewPlastic.com, the second most popular search directory on the RPI campus.
"You go to the site, you type in a search term, and it finds files on the network," Jordan said. Jordan compares his site to Google, the popular Internet search engine.
But the RIAA likens Jordan's site to Napster, the now defunct song-swap service that revolutionized the distribution of music.
"The service was no different than Napster," said Amy Weiss, senior vice president of communications for the RIAA. "With one click of a mouse, you can get music, you can get anything you wanted."
"The people who run these Napster networks know full well what they are doing: Operating a sophisticated network designed to enable widespread music thievery," RIAA President Cary Sherman said in a statement issued April 3.
"The lawsuits we've filed represent an appropriate step given the seriousness of the offense," Sherman added.
‘I Never Promoted Piracy’
"I didn't tell people what to share. I never promoted piracy," Jordan said.
"Basically, Napster set out to create its own network specifically for music. What I did was ran a search engine on a campus network [where] the network already existed," Jordan said.
But Jordan did agree to pony up $12,000, his entire savings account, to the RIAA. Jordan and his father, Andy Jordan, felt the settlement was their best option.
"They agreed to allow Jesse to deny their allegations. They agreed to dismiss the case and all allegations against him," the father said. "Basically they agreed that he didn't do anything wrong, but [they're] taking his 12 grand."
Weiss says the RIAA wanted to send a deterrent message others who had similar services up on their college campuses. "Nobody is above the law," she said. "And that is the important thing to remember here."
Jordan knew students were sharing files on his network: pictures, PowerPoint presentations, physics notes, anime, and music. But he refutes the RIAA's claim he "hijacked an academic network" and "installed an emporium for music trading."
"We don't think it's ridiculous to call someone a thief who is, in fact, stealing music. And that's exactly what his system did," said Weiss.
Ruining the Music Business?
Andy Jordan believes that the RIAA's intimidating tactics will undoubtedly hurt the music industry by alienating music buyers. An avid music fan for more than 40 years, he shudders at the impact this will have on the industry's most fervent fans.
"I don't know how strongly the music companies — the people who really run the music companies — I don't know if they realize what the impact of this misguided attempt at intimidation is going to be," Andy said.
While Andy Jordan questions the motives and actions of the RIAA, he basks in pride at his son's steadfast resolve.
"He has stood up to the schoolyard bullies that are pulling this and he's said, 'You are not going to make me say something that's not true,' " the father said.
ChewPlastic.com is asking for donations to help recover the $12,000 settlement. As of June 6, the site has collected more than $1,700.
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The RIAA really needs to wake up and realize what theyre doing. p*****g off your customer base by doing this kind of stuff won't help CD sales any... |
i agree, cds so expensive what you expect with the current prices of cds...
can set computer to download a whole cd while u sleep, at least...depending on download speed
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lauren000
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 14:53 Post subject:
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| compusmack wrote: | | I'm boycotting buying music if they actually follow through with these lawsuits. |
same and the radio
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Andur Ravenblade
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 15:05 Post subject:
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Sad thing is, I'm like Cele, I sample all the music I'm going to buy. If stores allowed me to return a CD like they used to I'd just go buy the ones that I know has a good song on it and if the rest of the songs suck I'll just take it back. As it stands now though, the only way I can really be sure what I'm buying is good is to download.
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Woody
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 18:19 Post subject:
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What I like is the new 'scan he CD and listen to it before you buy thing' at FYE. Only problem is some records you can only listen to the first 3-5 tracks....or only the first part of the song, and if the song has this long drawn out intro, you can't hear the good part of the song so to speak.
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Kbarr
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 18:25 Post subject:
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Years ago people would record muzic off the radio. When I was a kid I got tons of muzic that way. It didn't sound that great but shit, not even regular albums sounded that great back then. All the hissing and popping, and if you scrached the album you were screwed. None of that stuff mattters now. If you had to you can record off the radio and it sounds perfect. You might not get every song you ever wanted but its still free.
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Akronn
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 18:32 Post subject:
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Yeah, I think the record companies are going after swappers instead of focusing on technology pretty much for that reason, Kbarr. There isn't anything stopping people from recording off their radio or making a perfect recording off a cd and then distributing it.
Can't have that! 
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Paden
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Posted: 06/26/03 - 19:09 Post subject:
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f**k they need to visit there local flea marcket.
You go into a flea marcket and see boot leg movies and CD's all day long for sail.
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