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Docter
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 Posted: 08/23/04 - 15:12 Post subject: RE: Kerry's military service in Vietnam
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So the demoncRats are saying we shouldn't make an issue of his service or war wounds? That we should be proud of him for his sacrifice during that war? Is this correct?
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Confused
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 15:16 Post subject:
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"Don't ask don't tell"...Isn't that the left's policy on the military?
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Docter
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 15:18 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | "Don't ask don't tell"...Isn't that the left's policy on the military? |
Don't "confuse" the issue, I just want to get a simple answer from a demoncRat. 
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Confused
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 15:20 Post subject:
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| Docter wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | "Don't ask don't tell"...Isn't that the left's policy on the military? |
Don't "confuse" the issue, I just want to get a simple answer from a demoncRat. |
My name is "confused", not "confusing".
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Vengar_OO
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 16:06 Post subject: -==-
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He is the one that made a big deal out of it, with his war hero charade.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 16:22 Post subject:
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Docter, your avatar and sig are both rats!
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Docter
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 16:31 Post subject: Re: RE: Kerry's military service in Vietnam
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| Docter wrote: | | So the demoncRats are saying we shouldn't make an issue of his service or war wounds? That we should be proud of him for his sacrifice during that war? Is this correct? |
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Obmar
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 16:35 Post subject:
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yep pretty much
i think kerry probably thought it would play that was is a decorated vet - he was there - bush was a draft dodger (for all intents and purposes)
i think he thought that his medals (thrown over the fence or not) would play and he woud win that popularity contest
it hasnt turned out that way
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Docter
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 16:43 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | yep pretty much
i think kerry probably thought it would play that was is a decorated vet - he was there - bush was a draft dodger (for all intents and purposes)
i think he thought that his medals (thrown over the fence or not) would play and he woud win that popularity contest
it hasnt turned out that way |
Then why during the '96 election campaign did the demoncRats abuse Dole about his military service and his war injuries...simple answer, he was a Republican. IMHO Dole's military service > Kerry's military service. Hypocracy again from the left...no???
| Quote: | Dem Cartoonist Trashed Dole's Combat Heroism
Democrats are outraged over Sen. Bob Dole's decision to question the circumstances under which John Kerry claimed three Purple Hearts.
But they were silent nine years ago, when GOP-bashing cartoonist Gary Trudeau actually derided then-presidential candidate Dole for being wounded and almost dying in World War II.
The subject of Trudeau's attack on Dole's combat wounds came up only once in mainstream media reports, during an April 1995 interview with Dole on ABC's "Prime Time Live."
The network's Sam Donaldson showed the GOP candidate the cartoon, noting:
"Three weeks ago, Trudeau drew a cartoon in which a television viewer is watching Dole parade his war wound as a campaign prop.
"And you're supposed to be saying, 'Ladies and gentlemen, please give a warm welcome to my old war wound.' And the wound says, 'Thank you, Bob. Thank you. I'm proud to be a political asset.'"
Dole's reaction was extraordinarily mild by modern-day Democrat standards. Of Trudeau's outrageous stunt, the combat vet told Donaldson:
"Yeah, well I don't know that being wounded is a political asset. I'd be glad to - I mean I'd be glad to trade Gary Trudeau, but I think it was in poor taste - but, you know, everybody has to make a living."
Trudeau wasn't the only critic who questioned the severity of Dole's combat wounds.
"I concede that Dole was indeed badly wounded with the 10th Mountain Division in Italy in World War II," wrote Maj. Chuck Dodson (ret.), in a 1996 letter to a Tennessee paper.
"But, as a senator, isn't it quite possible, if not probable, that his pension is considerably more than that of other veterans with comparable disability?"
And as National Review Online notes today, the Nation Magazine predictably joined in to bash Dole's combat record, printing an account from Robert B. Ellis, who served with Dole in the 10th Mountain Division:
"Dole's first wound, in the night patrol, was self-inflicted (a story the candidate once told himself), but that fact does not appear in an extremely laudatory profile the G.O.P. distributes with a cover letter by Dole.
"And the factoid that Dole got two Bronze Stars for heroism is circulated without evidence of dates and citations. All this is not to suggest that Dole failed to perform his duties honorably, or that he does not deserve respect and sympathy for the terrible wounds he suffered and his courage in living a productive life in spite of the resultant damage.
"But as a veteran of the 10th Mountain Division and the 85th Mountain Infantry Regiment in which Dole served, I have grown increasingly uncomfortable with efforts to cast him as a wartime hero." |
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Obmar
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 16:46 Post subject:
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maybe?
i dunno - i dont remember anyone downing on dole for his records (although i might just not remember, that was 8 years ago).
i guess i would need to look deeper into it to try to see the linkage that would denote hypocracy...
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Fabulez
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Posted: 08/23/04 - 17:31 Post subject:
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That cartoon was making the point that Dole had no actual platform to campaign on, and because of that was campaigning on his military service. It wasn't an attack on his military service, it was an attack on the fact that he didn't take a stand on anything.
I suspect 75% of Realpoor, at least, is too young to have paid much attention to the 1996 elections.
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