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khrath
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Posted: 03/22/03 - 17:35 Post subject:
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That scene warms my heart.
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Kaladam
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Posted: 03/22/03 - 17:38 Post subject:
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Yes. Just... yes.
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Hohrer
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Posted: 03/22/03 - 17:46 Post subject:
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f****n hippies
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Akronn
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The chick in the gray has got more rolls than a bakery 
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Maelstrom
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They are too quiet...they all look like a bunch of hypocrites..I suggest some preemtive hits, in case.
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Alarach
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I've gotta hand it to them.. doing something counter productive like stopping traffic on some of the nation's bussiest bridges and roadways sounds like fun.
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Posted: 03/22/03 - 19:51 Post subject:
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Always the arts students.
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Silvermouse
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Half of them are jobless and living off the government.
If I were George Bush I would say, "You guys are right. We are so corrupt. As a matter of fact, we're going to put a stop to all of our corrupt programs like welfare."
Then they might be forced to get...jobs!
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Alarach
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Oh christ. I don't even want to think about what they'd do if some social service like welfare was ended :p
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Gato
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Paste from an email at work: (its long)
Who's Smarter?
by Cindy Osborne
The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid," "morons," and "idiots." Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.
So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid," "ignorant," "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
President George W. Bush:
Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)
Vice President d**k Cheney:
Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.
Secretary of State Colin Powell:
Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United States Army)
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld:
Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.
Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge:
Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice:
Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, c*m Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (c*m Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender - Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.
So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:
Barbra Streisand : Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting
Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal.
Career: Acting
Julia Roberts: Completed high school.
Career: Acting
Sean Penn: Completed High school.
Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting
Ed Asner; Completed High school.
Career: Acting
George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky.
Career: Acting
Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career:Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School.
Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School.
Career: Acting
Mike Farrell: Completed High school.
Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting
While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!!
We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America.
The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.
Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.
So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong?" I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?
The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.
Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan...
PEACE through STRENGTH.
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Banzai
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 00:17 Post subject:
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Gato,
I don't even know where to begin with how retarded that article is.
Let me add one more credit to that list:
Albert Einstine: Failed an examination that would have allowed him to study for a diploma as an electrical engineer at the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule in Zurich.
Career: Father of modern physics.
What's the f*****g point?
Bush bough a degree from Yale University and dosn't know that "evil doers" are refered to as "villans" by anyone with an IQ over 50. The man is a half wit and has a degree... whoopty doo.
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Kaladam
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 00:20 Post subject:
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also remember that einsteins parents thought he was mentally challenged when he was a child :p
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Banzai
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 00:27 Post subject:
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Here is another one:
Bill Gates: College drop out
Career: Allowing you to post this retarded shit.
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Tamrissa
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 00:30 Post subject:
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i <3 you banz 
and omg *eyeballs paden* .. naaahh 
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Banzai
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 00:32 Post subject:
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Much <3 for you too sornlia =)
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 00:48 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | Gato,
I don't even know where to begin with how retarded that article is.
Let me add one more credit to that list:
Albert Einstine: Failed an examination that would have allowed him to study for a diploma as an electrical engineer at the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule in Zurich.
Career: Father of modern physics.
What's the f*****g point?
Bush bough a degree from Yale University and dosn't know that "evil doers" are refered to as "villans" by anyone with an IQ over 50. The man is a half wit and has a degree... whoopty doo. |
LOL, I read the same thing you did and this is all you got?
You are an ass:)
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Banzai
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 01:11 Post subject:
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LOL, I read the same thing you did and this is all you got?
You are an ass:) |
Please elaborate as I know I am an ass but I'm bursting at the seams to understand why you came to that conclusion.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 02:24 Post subject:
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protest this 
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 02:38 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: |
LOL, I read the same thing you did and this is all you got?
You are an ass:) |
Please elaborate as I know I am an ass but I'm bursting at the seams to understand why you came to that conclusion. |
You are looking for debate?
Naaa, what for?
You're a wannabe actor, Bush bought his diploma and that post was retarded.
Right?
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. ...................The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
You allign yourself with idiots, this makes you an ass.
Its that simple.
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Banzai
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 07:11 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: |
You are looking for debate?
Naaa, what for?
You're a wannabe actor, Bush bought his diploma and that post was retarded.
Right?
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. ...................The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
You allign yourself with idiots, this makes you an ass.
Its that simple. |
Well since I have little to do with you I suppose I'm in no danger of looking like an ass. But since you were so quick to point out the heart of this drivel to support whatever point you though you were reinforcing I'll try to break the point out I was making into small syllables so that you might understand what I was getting at.
First off, the context of your statement was obviously meant to irritate me but failed miserably as I am not a "wannabe actor" but in fact an actor who works at his craft. It was a fair attempt at a cheap shot but alas missed it's mark. Was this meant to be ammunition for why entertainers have less valid opinions of the world? If so then you drew that conclusion, not me, my statement was meant to show how revolutionary thinkers often have nothing to do with higher education.
A degree from an Ivy League institution doesn't equal a smart person.
You are grasping at straws with your citation because you introduce morality and behavior in a stereotypical manor as yard stick of intelligence which is obviously not true. Making your rhetoric more propaganda and less fact.
I am not against Republicans, I agree with many of the philosophies they embrace, but I don't enjoy W. Bush being elevated as a uber intellectual when I have heard the man speak. I have nothing against him personally, in fact he seems a decent man, but don't try to tell me he has a more valid opinion on human issues than any other person with the right to express them.
Entertainers have a high profile and can counter the publicity the establishment has at it's disposal and so those that have opinions opposite of the presidents action use it to make there voice heard. Many entertainers may also support the war but don't feel the urge to use there notoriety to express that.
This has nothing to do with why we should be there but rather how we should deal with it. Are you against exploration or at the very least entertaining the thought of a more humane solution? Agree with it or don't but you act as if other options in the collective conscious shouldn't be introduced unless they come from one leader… and you know what the funny thing is? That's the exact type of regime we are invading to remove from power.
But because we live in America, where diversity is embraced and celebrated, we can speak our minds without being silenced by the establishment.
| Kbarr wrote: | | Its that simple. |
Since you are well versed in the simple I hope the point got through this time.
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Brael
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 08:07 Post subject:
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banz, the thing is though most of them dont follow politics all that closely, some do, those opinions are worth listening to, but the ones who are simply against it just for attention or to be against something arent worth listening to
as far as bush goes though, i think hes an idiot, fortunatley his cabinent isnt
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Selenar
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 08:21 Post subject:
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"Don't f**k with the ogre" -- Shit I guess so.
-Sel
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Sabathius
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I'd still take the advice of a College Graduate that is doing something his/her life other than pretending to be someone else (acting for you dumbshits)
Like I said before, f**k THOSE f*****g PROTESTORS AND f**k YOU FOR BELIEVING IN THEM.
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Banzai, you must be an idiot, because only idiots use the "but einstein dropped out of blah blah blah" defense.
einstein was a genius at math from a very early age. his lack of ability in languages, and his dislike for the school system was what caused him to drop out.
but he continued his studies at home and excelled at many subjects, including philosophy
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Aviger
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 10:02 Post subject:
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"Fool me once, shame on me. Fools me twice.." (3 seconds pause while he tries to remember wtf he was saying) "you will bein trouble"
yeah, George bush is very smart man 
I've always split smart and intelligent in 2 ways.
You can be very "intelligent" i.e learned a lot from books and gone to some fancy university but still be the "Dumbest" c**t on earth because you cant apply that accumulated knowledge in your daily life.
Bush is one of those c***s
Banzai on the other hand, is smart )
Kbarr 0, Banzai 2.
PS: Jinu, that WAS his whole point.
Just because some actor only finished high school does not mean he is not intelligent or even more intelligent then Bush and all those other people who went to 5 million schools.
And btw, i did my final paper on Einstein. His highschool math teacher told him he would never amount to anything because he sucked at math
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Zapper
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 10:31 Post subject:
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So what is the point of going to college if you don't need the education. All those of you currently there should stop wasting your money. Why is it that the majority of succesful people have gone to school and many times gotten an advanced degree. How many people like Bill Gates are there in this world? If you didn't need college to get ahead in life wouldn't places like Africa or Mexico be major powerhouses?
Sounds to me more like you are just trying to delude yourself into believing this is true.
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Aviger
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 10:40 Post subject:
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What the point of banzai's post is is that you do not need to be highly educated to be smart and an asset to mankind.
But neither does going to college mean you are useless.
The whole getting an education does not make you some superhuman.
To highlight that point even more.
If you go to college/uni in Holland you are more educated then if you do the same in the US (this is not me saying we dutch are smarter, the education system in most european countries is MUCH higher then the US, as a lot of studies and my cousin have shown me ).
So the point of the very comically written peace is nonsense 
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Zapper
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I disagree.
Let me give you an example. You are going to invest your lifes savings. Who would you go and speak with for advice. The banker with a masters degree in finance or they guy who barely graduated from high school that hangs out at the bar?
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Gato
Can't Stop Posting
Joined: 13 Oct 2002
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Posted: 03/23/03 - 11:14 Post subject:
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This thread has been a fun read.
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