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| Who is a lying douche bag that should rot in hell |
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| George W Bush |
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jefffoxworthy
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Joined: 17 Aug 2004
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 Posted: 10/18/04 - 20:45 Post subject: Poll
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who is more of a douche bag and a lying f*g that should rot in hell
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Scrabler
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 2660
Location: Mobile, AL
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 20:46 Post subject:
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Lol nice.
It really must be a kick in the ass knowing The King will be in for FOUR MORE YEARS huh?
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Nahualli
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 20:51 Post subject: Re: Poll
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| jefffoxworthy wrote: | | who is more of a douche bag and a lying f*g that should rot in hell |
Why do you have to bring f**s into this? What did they ever do to you?
-Nah-
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Meberak
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Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 20:52 Post subject:
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bushes suck
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Manuva
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 22:51 Post subject:
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Greatest sig ever
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wellspoken
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 22:56 Post subject:
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Dyers
Sir Postalot
Joined: 26 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 03:22 Post subject:
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National Public debt.
Current
10/15/2004 $7,429,738,245,269.23
For a decade the charade was played that the National Debt was under control and at times lowering. The chart here indicates the absolute size of the national debt month by month. You be the judge. These figures are straight from the US Treasury presentation on the Web. It looks like it is going up to me.
Even if you don't feel personally responsible for your share of this debt obligation, the immediate impact on you of this much debt is interest payments from your taxes. As long as there is debt there will be interest payments! Even if the Deficit is minus (we are then reducing the debt and running a surplus), there will be interest payments on the remaining debt. This is money that is not going to social services, education, defense, etc.
The graph above shows the end of the month level of the US Federal National Debt since the start of 1993. It continues its inexorable climb despite assertions that there were surpluses. If there was a surplus, would the debt not be reduced?
So, there really wasn't a budget surplus!
Has it gone down?
Really, there haven't been any surpluses!
This is what the DEBT has cost you this Federal Fiscal (Since October 1) Year! Have you put aside your share for today? This money must be paid out monthly over the year in interest just because we have the debt!
http://www.uwsa.com/uwsa-usdebt.html
http://www.concordcoalition.org/releases/000626release.htm
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, June 26, 2000
CONCORD COALITION WARNS THAT THE NEW “SURPLUS”
IS NOT NEW MONEY, IT’S SIMPLY A NEW PROJECTION
WASHINGTON — The Concord Coalition urged Congress and the Administration to use the larger-than-expected budget surplus for savings rather than rushing to spend it or give it away in tax cuts. While heartened by the good news, Concord warned that the $1.9 trillion 10-year surplus announced earlier today by the President is not new money, it is simply a new projection.
“We don’t know whether this projected surplus will ever materialize. But we do know that within a decade the retirement of the baby boomers will begin to exert enormous pressure on the federal budget. Therefore, the most responsible thing to do with any surplus that develops is to save as much of it for the future as possible. The worst thing we could do would be to give it away before it ever materializes on a package of election-year goodies,” said Robert Bixby, Concord’s Executive Director.
“We must guard against the erosion of fiscal discipline in light of what many politicians see as a torrent of cash. It’s like being hit with a hurricane after a drought. The danger is that the much-needed windfall will be lost to run-off,” Bixby said.
“The real challenge is how are we going to prepare for the retirement costs of the baby boomers? Absent real entitlement reform that addresses the looming cash shortfalls facing Social Security and Medicare over the coming decades, debt reduction is the best way to prepare for the future. Paying down the publicly-held debt will increase national savings, which will help grow the economy and make future cost burdens easier to bear. Savings is the best course of action for the economy right now,” said Bixby.
The Concord Coalition is a nonpartisan, grass roots organization dedicated to balanced federal budgets and generationally responsible fiscal policy. Former U.S. Senators Warren Rudman (R-N.H.) and Sam Nunn (D-Ga.) serve as Concord’s co-chairs and former Secretary of Commerce Peter Peterson serves as president.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
*waiting for forclosure, you?*
--- "Deficit" vs. "National Debt" ---
Suppose you want to spend more money this month than your income. This situation is called a "budget deficit". So you borrow. The amount you borrowed (and now owe) is called your debt. You have to pay interest on your debt. If next month you don't have enough money to cover your spending (another deficit), you must borrow some more, and you'll still have to pay the interest on the loan. If you have a deficit every month, you keep borrowing and your debt grows. Soon the interest payment on your loan is bigger than any other item in your budget. Eventually, all you can do is pay the interest payment, and you don't have any money left over for anything else. This situation is known as bankruptcy.
Each year since 1969, Congress has spent more money than its income. The Treasury Department has to borrow money to meet Congress's appropriations. The total borrowed is more than $7,000,000,000,000 and growing. Even when government officials claim to have a surplus, they still spend more than they get in. We pay interest on that huge debt.
http://www.federalbudget.com/
Come on everyone! Bend over and grab your ankles! Hey Nahu, show em how it's done! There you go! Now get ready to be f****d cuz no one on this planet is going to save your asses. 
Really, talk all the shit you want about this guy will make it all better or that guy will make it all better. They don't f'n give a damn about you man. You are going to be f****d no matter who is in office. Wake up, you are living in a dream world. They do not stand for you, me, or anyone but themselves.
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Kurel
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Cali
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 05:43 Post subject:
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If everyone is so concerned with the deficit, how about you put your money where your mouth (or in this case, fingers I guess?) is, and volunteer to pay some extra taxes?
No?
Didn't think so.
Shut the f**k up.
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Obmar
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Joined: 22 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 07:17 Post subject:
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I'll pay extra taxes
I officially volunteer
Let me make it even more clear. I am willing to forgoe a tax cut, which would put us further in debt, in order to fund some of the government domestic policies.
now what?
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Frax
RealPoor Master of Posts
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
Posts: 8489
Location: Fuck yoiu fucking fuckers
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 09:40 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | I'll pay extra taxes
I officially volunteer
Let me make it even more clear. I am willing to forgoe a tax cut, which would put us further in debt, in order to fund some of the government domestic policies.
now what? |
yes but Hanoi John is promising to lower your taxes
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sinrakin
RealPoor Master of Posts
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 09:48 Post subject:
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I have mixed opinions about lowering taxes.
First of all, I think that taxes should be set at a rate that funds current programs, and that cutting taxes below that rate is irresponsible.
On the other hand, I think all government is always irresponsible, and no matter what the current tax rate is, government will spend us into the maximum barely sustainable debt at that rate. So if taxes are 50%, spending will increase to the point that will be in massive debt at a 50% tax rate. If taxes are cut to 10%, spending will adjust to where we have massive debt at a 10% rate, but that will be less than the absolute debt we'd have at a 50% rate.
So accounting for government irresponsibility, I support cutting taxes below the point where any responsible individual would feel they should be set. Even if we're just fooling ourselves, I'd rather we fooled ourselves at a smaller rate.
In short, I don't think raising taxes will eliminate the debt, it will just cause spending to increase, and debt will increase proportionately.
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Orbit
Luke Warm
Joined: 15 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 09:54 Post subject:
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Anybody else notice that STEEP curve starting when Bush got in office? 
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xeqer
Luke Warm
Joined: 24 Oct 2002
Posts: 348
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 09:54 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | I'll pay extra taxes
I officially volunteer
Let me make it even more clear. I am willing to forgoe a tax cut, which would put us further in debt, in order to fund some of the government domestic policies.
now what? |
yes but Hanoi John is promising to lower your taxes |
He promised to raise them first!!!!
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Obmar
RealPoor Sensei
Joined: 22 Oct 2002
Posts: 1934
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 11:57 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | I'll pay extra taxes
I officially volunteer
Let me make it even more clear. I am willing to forgoe a tax cut, which would put us further in debt, in order to fund some of the government domestic policies.
now what? |
yes but Hanoi John is promising to lower your taxes |
that wasn't the question though was it Frax 
are you now proposing a new, different one? or just mudslinging...?
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Brash
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Joined: 20 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 12:12 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | If everyone is so concerned with the deficit, how about you put your money where your mouth (or in this case, fingers I guess?) is, and volunteer to pay some extra taxes?
No?
Didn't think so.
Shut the f**k up. |
I'd volunteer to repeal bushs tax cuts for everyone
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