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khrath
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 Posted: 04/21/05 - 05:46 Post subject: Physics: Teleportation
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Anyone here really good with physics?
I've been doing alot of bullshitting around with magnetic fields, and I think my theory on teleportation is pretty rock solid, only I have no way of testing it. it probably isn't even my theory, i'm sure some dude came up with it eons ago....I really just want to know how realistic the physics is behind this idea.
My theory works kind of like this.
6 super power magnets are important to this method.
You also need 2 tringle shaped mounts for the magnets.
1 magnet is put on each side of a triangle with equal length sides. All charges on this triangle must be posotive side facing inward.
1 magnet is put on each side of another triangle with equal sides, only this time all negative charges are facing inwards.
When all is said and done, you'll basically have 2 trinalges, with magnets pushing from every side inwards, one pushing inwards, another pushing outwards.
Next step is completing the circuit between the two. Magnetism is just energy flowing nonstop with invisible force, it will always take the shortest route to the strongest opposite charge hitting it.
One triangle is placed facing west, the other is placed facing east...direction doesn't matter, so long as they are lined up one behind the other.
Normally, all we'd get by doing this is a big magnetic field.
But now lets go into the realm of theory, and say each magnet has a charge strong enough to bend light. Magnets radiate energy, so it'll need to be that strength at the center of the triangle where the 3 fields from the magnets converge.
So long as that force is enough to bend light "this can be done, just the odds on us being able to make something that strong isn't probable", then by just looking at the trinalge, you'd see a solid black field, like looking at a black hole, because no light can escape the field.
Now the tricky part. if the trinagles are close enough together for the fields to react strongly enough with eachother, it should connect the two by connecting the charges. Remember how one had + facing inwards and another had - facing inwards? Magnetic fields form based on the other fields they interact with, so instead of just pushing straight inwards, we'd have 2 fields, each being stretched towards the other, like holding two magnets apart a milimeter, the fields will push through it like a tunnel.
One triangle will be pushing light at the speed of light, to the other one that is pulling light at the speed of light, so it would create a perfect window through to the other side with no physical distance between the two while inside the magnetic fisher.
Basically, you create a wormhole, provided you have enough magnetism to bend light, and a big enough field to complete the circuit to the other triangle.
Ideas? Anyone know where I can read up more on this type of thing?
I'm getting ready to do some experiments with sending other things through a much less powerful version, like radio waves or something, to see what effects I can get out of it.
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Renork
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 05:52 Post subject: Re: Physics: Teleportation
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| khrath wrote: | Anyone here really good with physics?
I've been doing alot of bullshitting around with magnetic fields, and I think my theory on teleportation is pretty rock solid, only I have no way of testing it. it probably isn't even my theory, i'm sure some dude came up with it eons ago....I really just want to know how realistic the physics is behind this idea.
My theory works kind of like this.
6 super power magnets are important to this method.
You also need 2 tringle shaped mounts for the magnets.
1 magnet is put on each side of a triangle with equal length sides. All charges on this triangle must be posotive side facing inward.
1 magnet is put on each side of another triangle with equal sides, only this time all negative charges are facing inwards.
When all is said and done, you'll basically have 2 trinalges, with magnets pushing from every side inwards, one pushing inwards, another pushing outwards.
Next step is completing the circuit between the two. Magnetism is just energy flowing nonstop with invisible force, it will always take the shortest route to the strongest opposite charge hitting it.
One triangle is placed facing west, the other is placed facing east...direction doesn't matter, so long as they are lined up one behind the other.
Normally, all we'd get by doing this is a big magnetic field.
But now lets go into the realm of theory, and say each magnet has a charge strong enough to bend light. Magnets radiate energy, so it'll need to be that strength at the center of the triangle where the 3 fields from the magnets converge.
So long as that force is enough to bend light "this can be done, just the odds on us being able to make something that strong isn't probable", then by just looking at the trinalge, you'd see a solid black field, like looking at a black hole, because no light can escape the field.
Now the tricky part. if the trinagles are close enough together for the fields to react strongly enough with eachother, it should connect the two by connecting the charges. Remember how one had + facing inwards and another had - facing inwards? Magnetic fields form based on the other fields they interact with, so instead of just pushing straight inwards, we'd have 2 fields, each being stretched towards the other, like holding two magnets apart a milimeter, the fields will push through it like a tunnel.
One triangle will be pushing light at the speed of light, to the other one that is pulling light at the speed of light, so it would create a perfect window through to the other side with no physical distance between the two while inside the magnetic fisher.
Basically, you create a wormhole, provided you have enough magnetism to bend light, and a big enough field to complete the circuit to the other triangle.
Ideas? Anyone know where I can read up more on this type of thing?
I'm getting ready to do some experiments with sending other things through a much less powerful version, like radio waves or something, to see what effects I can get out of it. |
cool, make vids of every test you do.
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khrath
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 05:54 Post subject:
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why, you won't be able to see anything, unless I can actually bend light with my magnets, which unless i can get a charge going almost as strong as the suns gravitational field, I doubt it'll happen.
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Plat4PoP
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 06:20 Post subject:
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If I remember correctly there is a paper out there on the teleportation that has been done and documented. I will see what I can find.
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Owyyn
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 11:22 Post subject:
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Teleportation = Quantum Entanglement
It's already been done with a beam of light.
The problem with it right now is that it destroys the original at the point of origin and makes an exact copy at the target destination. To make an exact copy of a person atom for atom right now they say would take over 3000 years for a super-computer to compute... if my memory serves me correctly.
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Occulis
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 11:33 Post subject:
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| Owyyn wrote: | Teleportation = Quantum Entanglement
It's already been done with a beam of light.
The problem with it right now is that it destroys the original at the point of origin and makes an exact copy at the target destination. To make an exact copy of a person atom for atom right now they say would take over 3000 years for a super-computer to compute... if my memory serves me correctly. |
dude, you read Timeline too?
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Owyyn
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 11:39 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | Owyyn wrote: | Teleportation = Quantum Entanglement
It's already been done with a beam of light.
The problem with it right now is that it destroys the original at the point of origin and makes an exact copy at the target destination. To make an exact copy of a person atom for atom right now they say would take over 3000 years for a super-computer to compute... if my memory serves me correctly. |
dude, you read Timeline too? |
No. The part about the beam of light was in the newspaper like 5 years ago. I'm not sure of the 3000 year computing time because I think I read it on here awhile ago... and RP isn't the most reliable source. =P
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IceIsFun
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 12:44 Post subject:
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physics? it defied physics.
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Maldek
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 13:54 Post subject:
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| khrath wrote: | | unless I can actually bend light with my magnets, which unless i can get a charge going almost as strong as the suns gravitational field, I doubt it'll happen. |
A bolt of lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.
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Deiahova
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 14:27 Post subject:
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There was an experiment done several years ago at like IBM or Caltech or something of the like where they made one atom appear in two places simultaneously, something (as was aforementioned) to do with bending light and/or time-space under extreme conditions.
I think it was in Discover Magazine.
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Thenger
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 14:42 Post subject:
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| Maldek wrote: | | khrath wrote: | | unless I can actually bend light with my magnets, which unless i can get a charge going almost as strong as the suns gravitational field, I doubt it'll happen. |
A bolt of lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.
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Um, but what the hell does heat have anythign to do with what he is talking about?
BUT OMG SG-1 IS REAL?!! 
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Maldek
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 17:12 Post subject:
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| Thenger wrote: | | Maldek wrote: | | khrath wrote: | | unless I can actually bend light with my magnets, which unless i can get a charge going almost as strong as the suns gravitational field, I doubt it'll happen. |
A bolt of lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.
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Um, but what the hell does heat have anythign to do with what he is talking about? |
I just wanted an excuse to post more Back to the Future pics on RP
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Overon
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 17:36 Post subject:
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i don't know all that much about this stuff ..
but magnetic fields can affect light ... ?
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Occulis
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 18:00 Post subject:
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| Overon wrote: | i don't know all that much about this stuff ..
but magnetic fields can affect light ... ? |
Among other things, such as gravity, magnetic fields are believed to affect energy particles (photons) which make up 'light.' Light bends around huge objects in the solar system. It is pretty neat stuff.
I use light every time I turn on a light.
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Starks
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 18:08 Post subject:
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The whole "light being bent" theory is based on the simple light theory that light is actually made of photons and that it has a mass. Light itself does and does not have a mass depending on what you need to do. The whole idea of this teleportation came about by passing light through a medium so that it actually came out faster than when it went in. Did it really happen? Yes and no. Since all our devices can only measure at no faster than the speed of light, it did happen. Can it happen? No. Nothing can be teleported, only things can appear to be teleported.
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Fanelien
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 18:14 Post subject:
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The sheer amount of power and computation required to do this for a human being is astronomical, the only way I can see it being done is if we manage to harness the power of the sun directly(Dyson sphere or similar), or with huge banks of capacitors driving large electromagnets in a pulse. There is simply no way to have a constant magnetic field so strong it can hold photons. It would require magnets as large as jupiter.
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 18:38 Post subject:
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ok .. yeah light is made of photons and in theory has mass .. therefore gravity does (in theory) have an affect ..
.. but why then would a magnetic feild have any affect?
and furthermore, how the hell would you get something worth "teleporting" that is sped up like that to slow down again? or not become liquified
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Booker
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 19:58 Post subject: Re: Physics: Teleportation
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| khrath wrote: | | Magnetism is just energy flowing nonstop with invisible force |
ahahaha
i hope you copy and pasted this, in fact im 99% sure you did.
crack pot physics
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Overon
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 20:02 Post subject: Re: Physics: Teleportation
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| Booker wrote: | | khrath wrote: | | Magnetism is just energy flowing nonstop with invisible force |
ahahaha
i hope you copy and pasted this, in fact im 99% sure you did.
crack pot physics |
even i know that magnetism is not like that ..
it is a force yes but it is not energy ..
.. in other words .. you cannot create a device that outputs energy from magnetism
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Owyyn
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 20:06 Post subject: Re: Physics: Teleportation
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| Overon wrote: | | Booker wrote: | | khrath wrote: | | Magnetism is just energy flowing nonstop with invisible force |
ahahaha
i hope you copy and pasted this, in fact im 99% sure you did.
crack pot physics |
even i know that magnetism is not like that ..
it is a force yes but it is not energy ..
.. in other words .. you cannot create a device that outputs energy from magnetism |
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khrath
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Posted: 04/21/05 - 20:51 Post subject: Re: Physics: Teleportation
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| Overon wrote: |
even i know that magnetism is not like that ..
it is a force yes but it is not energy ..
.. in other words .. you cannot create a device that outputs energy from magnetism |
you are ignorant of many things, this being one of them.
turn on your radio and tell me you cant use magnetism to output types of energy.
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Overon
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Posted: 04/22/05 - 03:23 Post subject: Re: Physics: Teleportation
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| khrath wrote: | | Overon wrote: |
even i know that magnetism is not like that ..
it is a force yes but it is not energy ..
.. in other words .. you cannot create a device that outputs energy from magnetism |
you are ignorant of many things, this being one of them.
turn on your radio and tell me you cant use magnetism to output types of energy. |
the energy isnt coming from magnetism though
you have to put energy into the system
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Zero Point Energy. Last I looked magnetism was a requirement for it.
Or another example, have you ever seen something float as a result of magnets? I have, I've even built things that float thanks to them (not electromagnetic). Theres energy being put out in order to counteract the force of gravity in that case.
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Posted: 04/22/05 - 07:37 Post subject:
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you all are retarded
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khrath
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Posted: 04/22/05 - 08:15 Post subject: Re: Physics: Teleportation
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| Booker wrote: | | khrath wrote: | | Magnetism is just energy flowing nonstop with invisible force |
ahahaha
i hope you copy and pasted this, in fact im 99% sure you did.
crack pot physics |
Actually i didn't, 99% of what I wrote is original thought from me based on a little reading I did, physics just makes sense to me 53.7% of the time.
| Overon wrote: | | khrath wrote: | | Overon wrote: |
even i know that magnetism is not like that ..
it is a force yes but it is not energy ..
.. in other words .. you cannot create a device that outputs energy from magnetism |
you are ignorant of many things, this being one of them.
turn on your radio and tell me you cant use magnetism to output types of energy. |
the energy isnt coming from magnetism though
you have to put energy into the system |
You don't think magnets output energy?
Move a piece of copper wire into a magnetic field, grats, you just used that piece of copper to convert the energy coming out of that magnet, into electricity.
Magnets do nothing but transfer energy nonstop.
Electricity always takes the shortest path to the strongest opposite charge near it.
That's why magnets stick together and repulse eachother, even without an outside power source.
They teach how motors work in elementary school, right?
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Posted: 04/22/05 - 08:27 Post subject:
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| Brael wrote: | | Zero Point Energy. Last I looked magnetism was a requirement for it. |
ZPE relies on harnessing the planck scale quantum fluctuations of virtual particles to create energy.
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Posted: 04/22/05 - 08:33 Post subject:
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| Fanelien wrote: | | The sheer amount of power and computation required to do this for a human being is astronomical, the only way I can see it being done is if we manage to harness the power of the sun directly(Dyson sphere or similar), or with huge banks of capacitors driving large electromagnets in a pulse. There is simply no way to have a constant magnetic field so strong it can hold photons. It would require magnets as large as jupiter. |
The power of the sun...
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Posted: 04/22/05 - 11:14 Post subject:
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I think this is b******t, from the replies. There was something on TDC or TLC that covered this shit, from some frootcawck who has vids, but won't demonstrate it for anyone. The vids have him zapping shit, causing it to hover/float above the surface, or it just zips up for the ceiling. He's also turned it on metal, which cases it to look like melting wax. I can't recall the details, but it was cool...
And NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY here, strikes me as smart as this guy was. And other "experts" call him a bullshitter too...but he's a sharp cookie, by the little I saw. He can either do it, or knows how to speak all scientific-like-he-knows-what-he's-talking-about. 
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Overon
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Posted: 04/22/05 - 13:46 Post subject: Re: Physics: Teleportation
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| khrath wrote: |
Move a piece of copper wire into a magnetic field, grats, you just used |
ugh khrath
this shouldn't be this hard for you
the key concept in your sentence here is move
you are moving the piece of copper into the field ..
magnetic force IS NOT ENERGY ..
.. try and build me a device that harnesses energy from magnets .. it is IMPOSSIBLE
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