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motherface
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 09:10 Post subject: Only terrorists pay off their mortgages
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| Quote: | Warning! Financial responsibility can lead to terrorism
March 6, 2006 05:47 AM / FUBAR .
By BOB KERR
Providence Journal
Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.
So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not local.
And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail."
He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.
What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that "everything changed after 9/11" thing.
But not Walter.
"We're a product of the '60s," he said. "We believe government should be way away from us in that regard."
He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would say makes good, solid financial sense.
They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a large payment, a check for $6,522.
And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior was found questionable.
After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed.
So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter called.
"When you mess with my money, I want to know why," he said.
They both learned the same astounding piece of information about the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking.
They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified. And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.
Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties Union and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could learn. He learned about changes in something called the Bank Privacy Act.
"The more I'm on, the scarier it gets," he said. "It's scary how easily someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy."
Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges were apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under the guise of paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a large credit card payment can pose a security threat.
But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost.
"If it can happen to me, it can happen to others," he said.
(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail bkerr@projo.com.) |
| Quote: | This isn't surprising. I work for a regional bank. Every employee is required to undergo training to know "what to look for". Doesn't matter if you are a teller, or a computer help desk operator. Anything over a certain dollar limit must be reported. As time goes on, the threshold has lowered. Pay off your house early? Gets reported. Large deposit? gets recorded. And anything overseas gets more scrutiny than J-Lo's panty lines.
The training creeped me out. the uber-patriotic person assigned to train our group was so into it. 3/4 of our group thought it was great... bringing down meth dealers who weren't smart enough to structure their money better. In fact, however, structuring is a crime as well... Go just below the radar one too many times, and you can be charged, eevn if there is no illegal activity behind the generation of money.
And, I would be wise to post AC (I won't, so this message might get more credibility) as advising someone how to avoid setting off the bells and whistles is a crime too.
We don't live in 1984, but we might be at 1983... |
| Quote: | I am a consultant for a large national bank and just took this Money Laundering course. Wow, was it creepy. Yes, if you are a stupid crook you will get caught. If you are a normal human being you can get really nailed.
The weird bit about this class was the continual referece to getting to know you customer. Which is of course imposible. So they set out all these questions and senerios to help you "GUESS" if there was a problem. |
| Quote: | I freelance as a consultant for film. I fell into the gig by accident: I'd written a film for a producer (I was writing movies on the side at the time - doing pharma research during the day) and he needed me to do the financials for the film as well. He thought the financials were thorough enough to recommend me to his (rich) friends who were also looking to invest in film. They'd hire me to evaluate projects both as a line producer as well as market analysis in terms of prospects, etc.
My first check from this endeavor was more money than I'd ever had at any single time. I was on set, so I had the money wired into the account.
While on set (out of the country) I tried using my atm card. No dice. I couldn't log into my online banking. When I got home and went to the bank, I got the suspicious "wait right here" while the CS person went and got a manager. I told them what it was from and that it was legit. They did a background check. My account was frozen for 30 days while they checked it out. I got a business account after that - but occasionally, credits to the account are routinely frozen, especially if I'm dealing with a new client who hasn't wired in anything before. Apparently, entertainment shell companies are a favored vehicle of money launderers. |
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 09:51 Post subject:
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It happened to me too, once when I paid off a credit card with a lump sum. That lump sum was a little over a grand. But it was like 10 times my normal payment, so they did the hold thing.
Years ago you didn't need a license/government approval to drive a car, put a pool in your back yard, change walls inside your home, change a heating system inside your home, own a machine gun, the list goes on and on. Funny how some ppl back or oppose one type of "loss of rights" as opposed to another type of "loss of rights".
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motherface
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 10:08 Post subject:
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| kbarr wrote: | | Funny how some ppl back or oppose one type of "loss of rights" as opposed to another type of "loss of rights". |
In case you haven't noticed, people are stupid.
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 10:23 Post subject:
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u ever luv a woman
i mean really luv her
have u ever really
really ever loved
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Cethan
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 12:34 Post subject:
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Every single politician in Washington DC has failed us, the American people.
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Yellow Journalist
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 12:50 Post subject:
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Im not a big fan of Bush's administration but I do support the well being of the United States....
As long as it keeps me safe from terrorism.
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Soriak
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 12:59 Post subject:
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That's why you use a Swiss bank account
Of course that might get you flagged too...
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motherface
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 15:28 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | That's why you use a Swiss bank account
Of course that might get you flagged too... |
HEY, IT WORKED FOR HITLER!!!!!!!!!
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Booker
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 17:02 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | u ever luv a woman
i mean really luv her
have u ever really
really ever loved |
SING ME SWEET TUNES OF LUV
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Soriak
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 20:42 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | That's why you use a Swiss bank account
Of course that might get you flagged too... |
HEY, IT WORKED FOR HITLER!!!!!!!!! |
Exactly. Neutrality + War + Banks = $$$
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Overon
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 20:52 Post subject:
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haven't you figured it out yet?
terrorism is just an excuse to monitor you
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Plat4PoP
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 21:42 Post subject:
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| Overon wrote: | haven't you figured it out yet?
terrorism is just an excuse to monitor you |
1984
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r00typooh
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Posted: 03/08/06 - 22:09 Post subject:
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who cares that the old man had to wait a few extra days for his payment to be processed... he has nothing to hide so all he's doing is wasting peoples' time b******g about nothing.
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/09/06 - 00:11 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | That's why you use a Swiss bank account
Of course that might get you flagged too... |
HEY, IT WORKED FOR HITLER!!!!!!!!! |
Exactly. Neutrality + War + Banks = $$$ |
I watched a documentary that basically said your country was built with the gold melted down from millions of jew teeth.
Piles and piles and piles of jew teeth.
And you have the nerve to point fingers at other countries?
Please, go sell crazy next door.
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motherface
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Posted: 03/09/06 - 00:38 Post subject:
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| kbarr wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | That's why you use a Swiss bank account
Of course that might get you flagged too... |
HEY, IT WORKED FOR HITLER!!!!!!!!! |
Exactly. Neutrality + War + Banks = $$$ |
I watched a documentary that basically said your country was built with the gold melted down from millions of jew teeth.
Piles and piles and piles of jew teeth.
And you have the nerve to point fingers at other countries?
Please, go sell crazy next door. |
This is what I was referring to. Switzerland knowingly profited from Germany's industry of death.
http://www.giussani.com/holocaust-assets/
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kireol
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Posted: 03/09/06 - 00:44 Post subject:
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I dont mind them holding my large checks for paying off debt as long as it keeps me safe from terrorism!!!!!!!
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 03/09/06 - 04:22 Post subject:
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| r00typooh wrote: | | who cares that the old man had to wait a few extra days for his payment to be processed... he has nothing to hide so all he's doing is wasting peoples' time b******g about nothing. |
Are you really that stupid?
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Maharat RakAshir
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| r00typooh wrote: | | who cares that the old man had to wait a few extra days for his payment to be processed... he has nothing to hide so all he's doing is wasting peoples' time b******g about nothing. |
I don't have an issue of transactions that banks or credit providers consider "suspicious" being reported as such, and investigated if there's a need. I don't understand the need to Freeze accounts pending the results though. Especially if it's not a transaction with a foreign or offshore account.
Those "few extra days" can be the result of late charges, and especially in the event of freezing an account that has had a deposit made in it can result in large NSF fees should you write checks or make bill payments on money that you KNOW you've deposited in your account, or in late payments (resulting in late payment fee's) should you know it's been frozen but unable to make payments on bills/expenses you have.
The reporting/investigating I don't mind. The Freezing of accounts prior to there be any investigation or knowledge of wrongdoing at all is over the top imo.
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r00typooh
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recently i made a large deposit into my checking account and it was held for a while (i can only assume it was something to do with the homeland security bs since the bank coulden't give me a rason why). the checks from from a local branch of BoA, i bank with the same BoA branch, and thye were still held. quite a few charges went though while this hold was in place, the bank paid all my charges and within a few days my funds were available. the bank then reimbursed me for all fees that i incurred due to the delay.
i'm not that stupid, i just don't care about privacy. if there's some chance freezing funds will help find the bad guys, then do it... if you need to wiretap people to find bad guys, do it.
as long as it keeps me safe from terrorism, i don't mind at all.
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motherface
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Posted: 03/09/06 - 08:25 Post subject:
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| Aluaeia wrote: | | r00typooh wrote: | | who cares that the old man had to wait a few extra days for his payment to be processed... he has nothing to hide so all he's doing is wasting peoples' time b******g about nothing. |
Are you really that stupid? |
Sounds like a yes!
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/09/06 - 09:09 Post subject:
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| r00typooh wrote: | recently i made a large deposit into my checking account and it was held for a while (i can only assume it was something to do with the homeland security bs since the bank coulden't give me a rason why). the checks from from a local branch of BoA, i bank with the same BoA branch, and thye were still held. quite a few charges went though while this hold was in place, the bank paid all my charges and within a few days my funds were available. the bank then reimbursed me for all fees that i incurred due to the delay.
i'm not that stupid, i just don't care about privacy. if there's some chance freezing funds will help find the bad guys, then do it... if you need to wiretap people to find bad guys, do it.
as long as it keeps me safe from terrorism, i don't mind at all. |
Any transactions over 10k that go outside the bank, or come into it, are reported to the feds. They have been doing that for a long time, long before I got my first mortgage and that was over 15 years ago.
It has to do with money laundering.
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Soriak
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| kbarr wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | That's why you use a Swiss bank account
Of course that might get you flagged too... |
HEY, IT WORKED FOR HITLER!!!!!!!!! |
Exactly. Neutrality + War + Banks = $$$ |
I watched a documentary that basically said your country was built with the gold melted down from millions of jew teeth.
Piles and piles and piles of jew teeth.
And you have the nerve to point fingers at other countries?
Please, go sell crazy next door. |
Lol
Actually, jews deposited their money on our banks and in many cases there was no one left to claim the account afterwards. Swiss banks paid a settlement of about $1.25bn a few years ago, the people who sued are still stuck in US courts suing each other over who gets how much
Got to love it.
Did we let every jew in the country? Nope, of course not. The goal was not to get invaded by Hitler and if turning refugees down meant survival, then that's what had to be done. Switzerland still took in more jewish refugees than the US did refugees of any kind though.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/ts-speech.html
informative
And that $1.25bn would never have been paid if it weren't for pressure from jewish groups - no one has a right to get refuge in any country and if you can't prove your relationship to someone, then you can't withdraw money from their account. But since the national bank (our federal reserve) made $12.8bn profit in 2005 alone, seems like a low price to pay to close the issue.
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I'm not susupicious about them paying off a credit card, but I am concerned that there are people running up $6500 in bills at JCPenney.
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kbarr
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| Soriak wrote: | | kbarr wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | That's why you use a Swiss bank account
Of course that might get you flagged too... |
HEY, IT WORKED FOR HITLER!!!!!!!!! |
Exactly. Neutrality + War + Banks = $$$ |
I watched a documentary that basically said your country was built with the gold melted down from millions of jew teeth.
Piles and piles and piles of jew teeth.
And you have the nerve to point fingers at other countries?
Please, go sell crazy next door. |
Lol
Actually, jews deposited their money on our banks and in many cases there was no one left to claim the account afterwards. Swiss banks paid a settlement of about $1.25bn a few years ago, the people who sued are still stuck in US courts suing each other over who gets how much
Got to love it.
Did we let every jew in the country? Nope, of course not. The goal was not to get invaded by Hitler and if turning refugees down meant survival, then that's what had to be done. Switzerland still took in more jewish refugees than the US did refugees of any kind though.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/ts-speech.html
informative
And that $1.25bn would never have been paid if it weren't for pressure from jewish groups - no one has a right to get refuge in any country and if you can't prove your relationship to someone, then you can't withdraw money from their account. But since the national bank (our federal reserve) made $12.8bn profit in 2005 alone, seems like a low price to pay to close the issue. |
Psstt...socialist...
yeah, you....
Thats not the issue, but you know that now, don't you.
Piles and piles and piles of yellow metal teeth.
I bet momma has a wedding ring made from a jews tooth....
You are the direct decedent of cowardly scum.
/spit on you, and your weak nothing of a country.
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kbarr
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 00:09 Post subject:
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| Soriak wrote: | | kbarr wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | Soriak wrote: | That's why you use a Swiss bank account
Of course that might get you flagged too... |
HEY, IT WORKED FOR HITLER!!!!!!!!! |
Exactly. Neutrality + War + Banks = $$$ |
I watched a documentary that basically said your country was built with the gold melted down from millions of jew teeth.
Piles and piles and piles of jew teeth.
And you have the nerve to point fingers at other countries?
Please, go sell crazy next door. |
Lol
Actually, jews deposited their money on our banks and in many cases there was no one left to claim the account afterwards. Swiss banks paid a settlement of about $1.25bn a few years ago, the people who sued are still stuck in US courts suing each other over who gets how much
Got to love it.
Did we let every jew in the country? Nope, of course not. The goal was not to get invaded by Hitler and if turning refugees down meant survival, then that's what had to be done. Switzerland still took in more jewish refugees than the US did refugees of any kind though.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/ts-speech.html
informative
And that $1.25bn would never have been paid if it weren't for pressure from jewish groups - no one has a right to get refuge in any country and if you can't prove your relationship to someone, then you can't withdraw money from their account. But since the national bank (our federal reserve) made $12.8bn profit in 2005 alone, seems like a low price to pay to close the issue. |
Psstt...socialist...
yeah, you....
Thats not the issue, but you know that now, don't you.
Piles and piles and piles of yellow metal teeth.
I bet momma has a wedding ring made from a jews tooth....
You are the direct decedent of cowardly scum.
/spit on you, and your weak nothing of a country.
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