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Jukas
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 Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:06 Post subject: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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But I don't want to learn the b*******t, proper gramatical crap that they teach in highschool, I'd rather learn real world spanish that could actually be usefull in every day life. Anyone have suggestions the best way to go about said task? Pst Nah! 
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kireol
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Location: Royal Oak, MI
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:12 Post subject:
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get one of those learn spanish CDs and play it on your computer. That way you go at your own pace, can HEAR it, and sometimes they have games in them.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:32 Post subject:
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Got any Latin or Spanish friends? You will need to learn the grammar in order to learn the proper conjugations and ways of saying stuff. The reason being, romantic languages are not linear like English; the words in a sentence are not in the same order as in English. The best way to learn a language is by speaking a lot in that language.
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Frashii
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Location: Anchorage, AK
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:33 Post subject:
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Rosetta Stone Spanish CD1 and CD 2 for teh win.
Highly recommended stuff.
Try your local torrent machine...
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Venkmen
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:36 Post subject: Re: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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| Jukas wrote: | | But I don't want to learn the b*******t, proper gramatical crap that they teach in highschool, I'd rather learn real world spanish that could actually be usefull in every day life. Anyone have suggestions the best way to go about said task? Pst Nah! |
Start molesting small Spanish children and taking notes on what they say. Compare notes to what is said by English speaking children when you get them.
There ya go. Some real world Spanish!
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:37 Post subject:
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YES...Rosetta Stone, expensive but definately the best way to go.
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Jukas
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Joined: 19 Mar 2003
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:43 Post subject:
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| Qaldyin wrote: | | Got any Latin or Spanish friends? You will need to learn the grammar in order to learn the proper conjugations and ways of saying stuff. The reason being, romantic languages are not linear like English; the words in a sentence are not in the same order as in English. The best way to learn a language is by speaking a lot in that language. |
Nope, all my latin friends have long since moved. I wasn't clear enough in my original post. I understand that learning the proper conjugations is necessary. However from what I've been told in the past, the type of Spanish they teach in highschool (redundant since I'm long out) isn't very practical in the real world.
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Jukas
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:44 Post subject:
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| Frashii wrote: | Rosetta Stone Spanish CD1 and CD 2 for teh win.
Highly recommended stuff.
Try your local torrent machine... |
Thanks Frashii, dl'ing as I speak.
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quotison
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:44 Post subject:
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I found <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/11/9/195744/646">this article on learning languages</a> to be interesting, maybe it will provide some advice for you.
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Jukas
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 14:46 Post subject: Re: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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| Venkmen wrote: | Start molesting small Spanish children and taking notes on what they say. Compare notes to what is said by English speaking children when you get them.
There ya go. Some real world Spanish! |
¡Por favor niños, me ayudan escondo esto prostituye el cuerpo antes del arive de policía!
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 15:01 Post subject: Re: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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| Venkmen wrote: | | Jukas wrote: | | But I don't want to learn the b*******t, proper gramatical crap that they teach in highschool, I'd rather learn real world spanish that could actually be usefull in every day life. Anyone have suggestions the best way to go about said task? Pst Nah! |
Start molesting small Spanish children and taking notes on what they say. Compare notes to what is said by English speaking children when you get them.
There ya go. Some real world Spanish! |
nah, that doesn't work. All you learn is "help!", "no means no!" and "is that all you've got?"
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Venkmen
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 15:21 Post subject: Re: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Venkmen wrote: | | Jukas wrote: | | But I don't want to learn the b*******t, proper gramatical crap that they teach in highschool, I'd rather learn real world spanish that could actually be usefull in every day life. Anyone have suggestions the best way to go about said task? Pst Nah! |
Start molesting small Spanish children and taking notes on what they say. Compare notes to what is said by English speaking children when you get them.
There ya go. Some real world Spanish! |
nah, that doesn't work. All you learn is "help!", "no means no!" and "is that all you've got?" |
Damn. Sorry Juky-Poo. I tried to help. Maybe you should expand your horizons and not only molest children. Hit some of the gay bars and maybe pick up a few hookers.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 15:23 Post subject:
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The Spanish they teach in HS is real Spanish...not Latin American Spanish.
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smallgreenguy
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Joined: 03 May 2003
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Location: Scott Peterson's Town
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 21:45 Post subject:
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Wtf has rosetta stone really helped you? Im on CD 2 and it hasn't really helped as much as just listening to spanish music lol.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 21:51 Post subject:
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I'm pretty sure the military uses it. But they also stick people in a camp with other students and only allow them to speak the language that they are studying, in order to learn it quicker.
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themy
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 22:07 Post subject:
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umm to actually speak in different tenses to people you need to know how to conjugate verbs... how or why would you go around this?
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Callaren
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Joined: 03 Dec 2003
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Location: South Jersey
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Posted: 01/19/05 - 22:43 Post subject: Re: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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| Jukas wrote: | | But I don't want to learn the b*******t, proper gramatical crap that they teach in highschool, I'd rather learn real world spanish that could actually be usefull in every day life. Anyone have suggestions the best way to go about said task? Pst Nah! |
They use proper grammatical crap in everyday speech you twit. If you ran around saying "I is smart" people would think you were mentally subnormal (and/or just plain f****d up in the head).
| Quote: | | ¡Por favor niños, me ayudan escondo esto prostituye el cuerpo antes del arive de policía! |
Haha, nice. Kids, help me hide this p********e's body before the police arrive.
One of my brother's friends learned it perfect in like 3 months staying in Puerto Rico. Another kid that was bilingual that he knew taught him. Yea, only speaking it is the best way to learn.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 00:11 Post subject:
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Yeah, Jukas. If you want to learn, I recommend a nice long vacation in some warm, tropical latino paradise!
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Tiluvas
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 00:13 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Yeah, Jukas. If you want to learn, I recommend a nice long vacation in some warm, tropical latino paradise! |
Like Garden Grove, CA!
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 00:16 Post subject:
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JO QUIERO TACO BELL 
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Lumberg_fekdher
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 01:35 Post subject:
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How do you say, "n****r" in Spanish?
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gotissues68
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 01:47 Post subject:
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| Tiluvas wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Yeah, Jukas. If you want to learn, I recommend a nice long vacation in some warm, tropical latino paradise! |
Like Garden Grove, CA! |
Haha I used to live Laguna Hills, we referred to it as Garbage Grove...
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Frostkiss
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 01:47 Post subject:
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I was arrogant enough to think I could start spanish on my own, it really wasn't that easy. If you can't use it every day, or practise with other people it gets really hard.
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gotissues68
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 01:49 Post subject: Re: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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| Jukas wrote: | | But I don't want to learn the b*******t, proper gramatical crap that they teach in highschool, I'd rather learn real world spanish that could actually be usefull in every day life. Anyone have suggestions the best way to go about said task? Pst Nah! |
Rent Blood in Blood Out Bound by Honor  heheh
btw I have a spanish book I got while I was in college with a CD, let me know if you want it, I can make an ISO for you... and yea everyone is talking about immersion which is where you around people who speak it and or in class where you are only allowed to speak in whatever language you are trying to learn, thats what they were doing at the college I was at.
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scoresia
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Location: Florida
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 12:21 Post subject: Re: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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| Jukas wrote: | | Venkmen wrote: | Start molesting small Spanish children and taking notes on what they say. Compare notes to what is said by English speaking children when you get them.
There ya go. Some real world Spanish! |
¡Por favor niños, me ayudan escondo esto prostituye el cuerpo antes del arive de policía! |
Por favor niños, ayuden me a esconder el cuerpo de esta prostituta antes de la llegada de la policía
Incorrect: Ayudan = they help
Correct: Ayuden = help me/us
Incorrect: (me) Escondo = I hide
Correct: Esconder = to hide
Incorrect: Prostituye = to prostitue
Correct: Pristituta = female p********e
Incorrect: antes del arrive de = before of the arrival of
Correct: antes de la llegada de = before the arrival of
Babelfish sucks at translating from english to spanish. It puts the words in almost the exact order as the english language which for proper spanish is incorrect. Also, it's not good at tenses.
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Jukas
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 13:27 Post subject:
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Ok I've come to two conclusions. First the people who told me high school spanish was worthless were idiots, and secondly that Silvermouse should have been born latin instead of Azian so we could speak spanish together.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 15:04 Post subject:
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| Jukas wrote: | | Ok I've come to two conclusions. First the people who told me high school spanish was worthless were idiots, and secondly that Silvermouse should have been born latin instead of Azian so we could speak spanish together. |
It's only "worthless" because they teach you European Spanish as opposed to American Spanish because the latter is not considered "proper". It's so utterly stupid but there you have it.
As for how to learn. Rosetta Stone is highly recommended. I've never used it but I have only heard good things about it for the most part. You have to practice a lot. I'm going to say it again for the sake of emphasis. You need to practice a lot.
Spanish is easy as f**k. Not only because I speak it, from a linguistic perspective it's very, very straightforward.
- There are only 5 vowels and better yet, only 5 vowel sounds. "A" will always be "ah", "E" will always be "eh", "O" will always be "oh-" No long/short vowels.
- Only 2 silent letters and rules for differing consonant sounds are constant (to the best of my knowledge).
- No words like "plough" and "dough" and no "tail/tale" problems.
- No contractions unless using colloquial.
- Only 3 rules of accentuation and all 3 become intuitive after applying them for a few months.
- The only sound that doesn't exist in English is a trilled "R" and that's not so hard to get around.
- Spanish is FULL of English cognates, you will not have a hard time deciphering many words once you get the pronunciation down.
- Same tenses as English but with a straightforward Latin-derived tense declensions, not like English which is has tenses..... God only knows where some of them came from because it certainly isn't Latin.
- Reflexive verbs may pose a little bit of a problem conceptually but you'll get over it 
- No neuter nouns. All nouns are masculine/feminine. This may be a problem at first but all nouns have an article and you should be able to get over it relatively quickly.
My tips to you. (It worked for me learning Russian)
- Talk to yourself in that language. - Say good morning to yourself if that's all you know but say it. Listen to yourself say it. Make your mouth accustomed to making the sounds like the flapped R and the trilled R. Make it become second nature, intersperse it with English.
- Watch TV in the language. Don't sit there and watch it, you will never follow along 100%. Rather, turn the TV up a bit (if spouse/kids allow) and go about your daily routine at home. You will pick up intonation patterns subconsciously, sort of how a baby picks up languages. ( I digress, but it p****s me off to hear people say they don't have the same capacity as children to learn new languages. All they lack is a child's inability to resist learning a new language, your capacity is always the same )
- Talk to your friends in that language. If you don't have any friends that speak it, make some. This may or may not be an option, it's a great resource tho, probably the single best.
- Don't be afraid to learn colloquial. Just understand it's colloquial. Apply the same usage rules that you would use in English. It's not brain surgery, just requires some amount of moderation.
- DON'T ROUND OUT YOUR f*****g VOWELS !!! This is probably my single biggest pet peeve of people learning the language. This is why it's SO important to practice to yourself where you aren't fearful of being ridiculed by others. Don't anglicize your vowels it's a horrible, awful, dirty habit to get into and it's an impossible one to break once you do. Train your brain to not do this. Ever.
- PM me if you have any more questions, or post here
There are tons more I could impart on you, this is all I can think of atm.
-Nah-
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Nahualli
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 15:15 Post subject: Re: Ok so I want to learn Spanish
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| scoresia wrote: | | Jukas wrote: | | Venkmen wrote: | Start molesting small Spanish children and taking notes on what they say. Compare notes to what is said by English speaking children when you get them.
There ya go. Some real world Spanish! |
¡Por favor niños, me ayudan escondo esto prostituye el cuerpo antes del arive de policía! |
Por favor niños, ayuden me a esconder el cuerpo de esta prostituta antes de la llegada de la policía
Incorrect: Ayudan = they help
Correct: Ayuden = help me/us
Incorrect: (me) Escondo = I hide
Correct: Esconder = to hide
Incorrect: Prostituye = to prostitue
Correct: Pristituta = female p********e
Incorrect: antes del arrive de = before of the arrival of
Correct: antes de la llegada de = before the arrival of
Babelfish sucks at translating from english to spanish. It puts the words in almost the exact order as the english language which for proper spanish is incorrect. Also, it's not good at tenses. |
Try paralink.com for translations if you ever need to. It's not perfect by any means but it's leaps and bounds ahead of what babelfish is at.
-Nah-
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scoresia
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 16:33 Post subject:
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Hola Nah, Mi amor. Como estas en este bello dia?
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Nahualli
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Posted: 01/20/05 - 16:58 Post subject:
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| scoresia wrote: | | Hola Nah, Mi amor. Como estas en este bello dia? |
Muy bien, un poquito cansado pero estoy bien, mas o menos. No tengo mucho de que quejarme. Tengo trabajo, suficiente dinero, comida que comer y mucho **** maravilloso. Solamente me falta ser tambien millonario pero para eso hay tiempo todavia. Usted? La esta tratando bien la vida? Como se encuentra su esposo? Tal vez que los dos se encuentren bien. Saludos!
-Nah-
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