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Docter
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 Posted: 10/25/04 - 09:18 Post subject: Oh look...Kerry LIED again...
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Has he TOLD the truth on anything...course we can't tell, he keeps changing his stories... 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041024-110609-9428r.htm
| Quote: | Security Council members deny meeting Kerry
By Joel Mowbray
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
U.N. ambassadors from several nations are disputing assertions by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry that he met for hours with all members of the U.N. Security Council just a week before voting in October 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq.
An investigation by The Washington Times reveals that while the candidate did talk for an unspecified period to at least a few members of the panel, no such meeting, as described by Mr. Kerry on a number of occasions over the past year, ever occurred.
At the second presidential debate earlier this month, Mr. Kerry said he was more attuned to international concerns on Iraq than President Bush, citing his meeting with the entire Security Council.
"This president hasn't listened. I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them, to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable," Mr. Kerry said of the Iraqi dictator.
Speaking before the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in December 2003, Mr. Kerry explained that he understood the "real readiness" of the United Nations to "take this seriously" because he met "with the entire Security Council, and we spent a couple of hours talking about what they saw as the path to a united front in order to be able to deal with Saddam Hussein."
But of the five ambassadors on the Security Council in 2002 who were reached directly for comment, four said they had never met Mr. Kerry. The four also said that no one who worked for their countries' U.N. missions had met with Mr. Kerry either.
The former ambassadors who said on the record they had never met Mr. Kerry included the representatives of Mexico, Colombia and Bulgaria. The ambassador of a fourth country gave a similar account on the condition that his country not be identified.
Ambassador Andres Franco, the permanent deputy representative from Colombia during its Security Council membership from 2001 to 2002, said, "I never heard of anything."
Although Mr. Franco was quick to note that Mr. Kerry could have met some members of the panel, he also said that "everything can be heard in the corridors."
Adolfo Aguilar Zinser, Mexico's then-ambassador to the United Nations, said: "There was no meeting with John Kerry before Resolution 1441, or at least not in my memory."
All had vivid recollections of the time frame when Mr. Kerry traveled to New York, as it was shortly before the Nov. 7, 2002, enactment of Resolution 1441, which said Iraq was in "material breach" of earlier disarmament resolutions and warned Baghdad of "serious consequences as a result of its continued violations."
Stefan Tafrov, Bulgaria's ambassador at the time, said he remembers the period well because it "was a very contentious time."
After conversations with ambassadors from five members of the Security Council in 2002 and calls to all the missions of the countries then on the panel, The Times was only able to confirm directly that Mr. Kerry had met with representatives of France, Singapore and Cameroon.
In addition, second-hand accounts have Mr. Kerry meeting with representatives of Britain.
When reached for comment last week, an official with the Kerry campaign stood by the candidate's previous claims that he had met with the entire Security Council.
But after being told late yesterday of the results of The Times investigation, the Kerry campaign issued a statement that read in part, "It was a closed meeting and a private discussion."
A Kerry aide refused to identify who participated in the meeting.
The statement did not repeat Mr. Kerry's claims of a lengthy meeting with the entire 15-member Security Council, instead saying the candidate "met with a group of representatives of countries sitting on the Security Council."
Asked whether the international body had any records of Mr. Kerry sitting down with the whole council, a U.N. spokesman said that "our office does not have any record of this meeting."
A U.S. official with intimate knowledge of the Security Council's actions in fall of 2002 said that he was not aware of any meeting Mr. Kerry had with members of the panel.
An official at the U.S. mission to the United Nations remarked: "We were as surprised as anyone when Kerry started talking about a meeting with the Security Council."
Jean-David Levitte, then France's chief U.N. representative and now his country's ambassador to the United States, said through a spokeswoman that Mr. Kerry did not have a single group meeting as the senator has described, but rather several one-on-one or small-group encounters.
He added that Mr. Kerry did not meet with every member of the Security Council, only "some" of them. Mr. Levitte could only name himself and Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock of Britain as the Security Council members with whom Mr. Kerry had met.
One diplomat who met with Mr. Kerry in 2002 said on the condition of anonymity that the candidate talked to "a few" ambassadors on the Security Council.
The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes — honesty.
At a New Mexico rally last month, Mr. Kerry said Mr. Bush will "do anything he can to cover up the truth." At what campaign aides billed as a major foreign-policy address, Mr. Kerry said at New York University last month that "the first and most fundamental mistake was the president's failure to tell the truth to the American people."
In recent months, Mr. Kerry has faced numerous charges of dishonesty from Vietnam veterans over his war record, and his campaign has backtracked before from previous statements about Mr. Kerry's foreign diplomacy.
For example, in March, Mr. Kerry told reporters in Florida that he'd met with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him.
"I've met with foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly," he said. "But, boy, they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' "
But the senator refused to document his claim and a review by The Times showed that Mr. Kerry had made no official foreign trips since the start of 2002, according to Senate records and his own published schedules. An extensive review of Mr. Kerry's domestic travel schedule revealed only one opportunity for him to have met foreign leaders here.
After a week of bad press, Kerry foreign-policy adviser Rand Beers said the candidate "does not seek, and will not accept, any such endorsements."
The Democrat has also made his own veracity a centerpiece of his campaign, calling truthfulness "the fundamental test of leadership."
Mr. Kerry closed the final debate by recounting what his mother told him from her hospital bed, "Remember: integrity, integrity, integrity."
In an interview published in the new issue of Rolling Stone magazine, Mr. Kerry was asked what he would want people to remember about his presidency. He responded, "That it always told the truth to the American people." |
And before you respond JC and BS...READ THE ENTIRE f*****g ARTICLE...but I doubt you will. 
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Kurel
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Posted: 10/25/04 - 09:30 Post subject:
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All politicians are f*****g liars and crooks, the thing you have to decide is, which one will use lube when he goes to f**k you up the ass?
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/25/04 - 13:37 Post subject:
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I didn't read any of it. Someone give me a summary.
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Posted: 10/25/04 - 14:00 Post subject:
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| Quote: | Security Council members deny meeting Kerry
By Joel Mowbray
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Hmm Joel Mowbray...
Lets take a look at some other articles written by this fellow:
Joel Mowbray (most recent column)
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Archive
October 22, 2004 Desperation and Deceit
October 15, 2004 Cataloging Kerry’s Canards
October 12, 2004 Kerry “Not Necessarily” Presidential
October 7, 2004 The Professor and the Pretty Boy
October 4, 2004 Kerry’s Vision—Or Lack Thereof
October 1, 2004 Would “Certain People” Spy for Israel?
September 30, 2004 Jimmy Carter Goes (Pea)Nutty
September 24, 2004 Palestinian Penchant for Prevarication
September 20, 2004 The spies who aren't
September 3, 2004 Cheney Politicizes 9/11: Thank God
August 31, 2004 Oxy-Moronic March
August 27, 2004 Loophole exploited by the 9/11 hijackers remains open
August 20, 2004 Myth of Saudi Importance
August 17, 2004 Red Carpet Remains for Saudi Visa Applicants
August 13, 2004 Kerry: Yep, I’m Back to Pro-War
August 11, 2004 Guess Who’s Coming to the Election
August 3, 2004 Kerry's Backward Bounce
July 28, 2004 What the 9/11 Commission Missed
July 26, 2004 Arafat’s Poisonous Reign Finally Being Challenged
July 20, 2004 Kerry’s Quandary: Trying to be Both Pro- and Anti-War
July 16, 2004 Exploiting America’s Dead for Political Gain
July 14, 2004 Israel’s Nukes Under Attack (Again)
July 12, 2004 See No Terror
July 6, 2004 State Dept. Shenanigans in Iraq
July 2, 2004 Words Can’t Cloak UN’s anti-Semitism
June 29, 2004 Time to Polygraph the NY Times
June 25, 2004 Ex-Diplomats Support Kerry—Much Like Current Foreign Service
June 23, 2004 Saudis’ Most Recent Pledge Just as Meaningless
June 22, 2004 NY Times and Washington Post Get It Wrong—Yet Again
June 21, 2004 Bullying in Berlin
June 17, 2004 Class Warfare in Berlin
June 11, 2004 The House of Saud
June 8, 2004 NY Times Hijacked by State & CIA
June 3, 2004 Bush Real Target of Chalabi Smear
June 2, 2004 Perils of a Pliant Press: The Chalabi smear continues
May 27, 2004 Smear Without Substance
May 21, 2004 Media’s Selective Outrage, by the Numbers
May 18, 2004 Sly Sy at it Again
May 17, 2004 Media’s Bias on Rumsfeld, Iraq, and Abu Ghraib
May 11, 2004 Stark Raving Mad
May 7, 2004 Perils of Re-Baathification
May 6, 2004 Real Story Behind Anti-Israel Letter to Bush
April 28, 2004 Re-Baathification of Iraq Not Just for “Teachers”
April 27, 2004 Why Does Clinton Escape 9/11 Blame?
April 22, 2004 Hamas' Trash Talkin'
April 19, 2004 Democratic Iraq Still on Track
April 14, 2004 New York Times’ Bush Smear Campaign
April 12, 2004 Arafat’s Courtship of Hamas
April 6, 2004 Tolerating Terrorism
April 2, 2004 Democrats’ Moral Myopia
March 29, 2004 Terror & Tyranny, by the numbers
March 24, 2004 Depths of a Depraved Culture
March 19, 2004 Who’s Been Hanging with Mr. Hooper?
March 16, 2004 Al Qaeda’s Electoral Victory
March 11, 2004 John Kerry: A Despot’s Best Friend
March 9, 2004 Holiday for Abortionists—Seriously
March 1, 2004 Hollywood’s Bias Makes 'Passion' Unlikely Underdog
February 25, 2004 John Kerry’s Radical Past
February 23, 2004 Alleged Traitor’s Saudi Influence
February 18, 2004 European Union’s Moral Bankruptcy
February 16, 2004 National Guardsman’s Islamic conversion
February 12, 2004 Jihad, MTV-style
February 9, 2004 What if al Qaeda Had Been Hit Pre-emptively?
January 30, 2004 Curious Case of David Kay
January 26, 2004 9/11 Commission and New Saudi Angle
January 21, 2004 Increasing Islamic Influence in Iraq
January 14, 2004 Democrats, media on same page yet again
January 7, 2004 Political Pandering—at the Expense of our Security
December 31, 2003 General Zinni, what a Ninny
December 17, 2003 What Saddam’s Capture Means for bin Laden Manhunt
December 12, 2003 North Korea’s Nukes
December 4, 2003 Disturbing New Trend: “Win at all Costs”
December 2, 2003 Department of Saudi
November 20, 2003 Shenanigans at Greenpeace—And the Media Yawns
November 14, 2003 Gay Crime Syndicate?
November 6, 2003 Remaking Ronald Reagan
November 3, 2003 Paying Our Enemies to Kill Us
October 17, 2003 Iraq: Becoming an Islamic Republic?
October 12, 2003 Nuking the State Department
October 3, 2003 Why Leaks Are Fundamental to a Free Society
October 3, 2003 You have one more test to pass
October 2, 2003 Friends of Ba'ath
October 1, 2003 How the State Department Sided with the Taliban
October 1, 2003 Feeding at the Saudi Trough
September 30, 2003 Open Door for Saudi Terrorists--Startling New Revelation
September 26, 2003 Pundits posing as reporters
September 22, 2003 State’s Actions Undercut Powell’s Tough Talk
September 18, 2003 Why Not Kill Arafat?
September 17, 2003 From New York to California
September 15, 2003 State Department Plans That Will Harm Iraq
September 10, 2003 Fake Documents, Real Drivers Licenses
September 8, 2003 United Nations to the 'Rescue'
September 4, 2003 'Roadmap' to Nowhere
September 2, 2003 Revealing reactions
August 28, 2003 Spiral of Equivalency
August 22, 2003 What's at stake
August 16, 2003 Electric terrorists?
August 12, 2003 Complex Suspect Matrix
August 7, 2003 What the 9/11 Report Missed
August 4, 2003 Israel’s Latest 'Racist' Action
July 31, 2003 U.S. May Already Have Iraq’s WMDs
July 28, 2003 Eulogy for Saddam’s Sadistic Sons
July 24, 2003 Real Obstacles to Middle East peace
July 21, 2003 The other Iraq news
July 17, 2003 Relying on Bush's 'Lie' - for Headlines
July 14, 2003 Is Iran next?
July 11, 2003 MTV Foreign Policy
July 2, 2003 Remembering Heroes
June 30, 2003 Bad day for the House of Saud
June 25, 2003 O’Connor Flips—Again
June 23, 2003 Back-stabbing at Foggy Bottom
June 20, 2003 State Department Working Against Freedom in Iran
June 16, 2003 Moral Equivalence in the Middle East
June 12, 2003 Saudi Arabia: Partner for Peace?
June 9, 2003 Broken Hearts, Shattered Lives
June 4, 2003 Israelis Leery on Eve of Latest Peace Summit
June 2, 2003 State Department’s Favorite Mullahs
May 27, 2003 'Neocon': Slang for 'Jew'?
May 21, 2003 State Department Undermining President Bush
May 14, 2003 Jesse Jackson’s Latest “Outrage” is Outrageous
May 12, 2003 Saddam’s Doctor Selected by State Department
April 14, 2003 Why we fight
April 9, 2003 Saudi Money Everywhere Akbar Was
April 7, 2003 State Department Giving Baghdad to House of Saud?
April 3, 2003 Martha Burk’s State Department Adventure
March 31, 2003 State’s Bad Deeds Head to Baghdad
March 26, 2003 Human shields-turned-hawks
March 24, 2003 No Such Thing as a Benign Despot
March 20, 2003 Self-Fulfilling Tyranny
March 14, 2003 Gadhafi-State Department Alliance
March 12, 2003 Pushing “Peace” Pushes War Instead
March 8, 2003 One Last Chance—for the UN
March 5, 2003 Fighting Saddam Not Distinct from Fighting al Qaeda
March 3, 2003 Democracy Domino Theory
February 28, 2003 $1 Trillion Tax Cut?
February 20, 2003 'Give Tyranny a Chance'
February 12, 2003 Saudi Slavery in America
February 5, 2003 'We're going to war'
February 4, 2003 State Department's idea of a 'traitor'
January 30, 2003 The big eagle
January 27, 2003 State's cold shoulder
January 22, 2003 Piercing the North Korea Excuse
January 18, 2003 Racism By Any Other Name
January 15, 2003 The doping of America's children
January 11, 2003 Social Security Heading South of the Border
January 4, 2003 Killing a tax
January 2, 2003 Canada: the weakest link
December 26, 2002 Thankful to be a conservative
December 20, 2002 Real Story of Yemen’s Scud Missile Purchase
December 18, 2002 Lott could tip Senate to Dems
December 14, 2002 State Department aids Saudis, again
December 12, 2002 White House Moves Closer to Finding Iraq in “Mater
December 10, 2002 Confessions of a 9/11 Plotter
December 6, 2002 Saudi Spin Doctors Dodge U.S. Marshals
December 3, 2002 Wild, wild web
November 30, 2002 Justice, Finally, for Terrorism Victims
November 26, 2002 Sue McDonalds? I lost 80 lbs with fast food
November 25, 2002 The State Department's spin machine
November 22, 2002 No more open door for Saudis
November 20, 2002 A Defeat for Border Security
November 18, 2002 Trial lawyers vs. Homeland Security
November 14, 2002 State's war on terror (victims)
September 23, 2002 Tax Cuts, R.I.P.
September 17, 2002 Freedom denied
September 11, 2002 Iraqi roulette
September 6, 2002 O'Reilly the Wrong Factor in Saudi Abduction Case
September 5, 2002 State Department’s War on Americans
August 31, 2002 Burton's list
August 9, 2002 White House Blunders on New Consular Affairs Chief
August 8, 2002 U.S. Hypocritical to criticize Israeli practice
July 23, 2002 Visas for suspected terrorists?
July 11, 2002 Visa Express Derailed
July 3, 2002 Saudis fueling Mideast Terrorism
July 2, 2002 d**k Gephardt, Wannabe deadbeat son
June 27, 2002 Open door for terrorists still open
June 15, 2002 Open Door for Saudi Terrorists
June 12, 2002 Sacrificing liberty and safety
May 29, 2002 Coddling Castro
May 17, 2002 GOP Running from Social Security Reform?
May 9, 2002 Arafat’s Culture of Death
May 9, 2002 Arafat’s Culture of Death
May 3, 2002 Plight of suffering Palestinians
April 25, 2002 Catholic Church's Real Challenge
April 19, 2002 "Washington Post" Bias Against Israel
April 12, 2002 **** Explicit "Abstinence" Education?
April 3, 2002 Bush's New Compartmentalization
March 26, 2002 Homosexuality a Factor in **** Abuse by Priests
March 20, 2002 Government's "Candid Cameras"
March 19, 2002 Abortionist Appreciation Day
March 7, 2002 Let Dissent Ring
March 4, 2002 Is Ted Kennedy a Racist?
February 26, 2002 The Audacity to Be Black and Conservative
February 19, 2002 The Flying Elite
February 18, 2002 Nugget of Truth Buried in Turner's Ramblings
February 11, 2002 Trusted-Traveler ID Card Not To Be Trusted
February 6, 2002 Time to Engage Malaysia Is Now
January 24, 2002 Enron not 'a cautionary tale'
January 22, 2002 Enron Debacle Exposes Folly of Campaign Finance Re
January 11, 2002 It’s the Spending, Stupid!
December 31, 2001 Lessons Liberal Hollywood Needs to Learn
December 20, 2001 The trouble with Ashcroft
December 12, 2001 Social Security Commission's Report DOA
December 5, 2001 Democrats' Liberal Racism
November 29, 2001 Hippies made us fat
November 27, 2001 White House Wrong to Cancel Holiday Tours
November 20, 2001 Military tribunals raise serious concerns
November 17, 2001 God Bless America's Gridlock
Sorry Doc, its too late in the campaign for me to even entertain reading obviously biased right wing tripe.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 10/25/04 - 14:10 Post subject:
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.... and it's a repost to boot.
-Nah-
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Posted: 10/25/04 - 22:33 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | .... and it's a repost to boot.
-Nah- |
What does "странный компьютерный человек" mean?
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Posted: 10/25/04 - 22:35 Post subject:
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Et means een soviet RoSHA Mob Mezzes YOU...
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