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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:06 Post subject: OK reality check...Youve theorized and postulated...
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Now take a look at what Bush IS ACTUALLY DOING
Seattle Pi
| Quote: | Yesterday, the biggest pay cut in American history took effect: The Bush administration's overtime pay cut became official. It's a new federal rule that could strip up to 6 million workers of overtime pay protection, forcing them to work longer hours without fair compensation.
Nurses, police lieutenants, chefs, team leaders, working supervisors, assistant managers and financial services workers are just some of the millions of workers who used to earn overtime pay when they worked more than 40 hours a week -- and who will now lose that eligibility.
Not only will these employees no longer get overtime pay -- they'll be working extra hours for free, earning only their base salary. That means a huge pay cut. Currently, time-and-a-half premium pay for overtime work accounts for 25 percent of the income of those who work overtime. That averages out to about $161 every week.
And what incentive will employers have to keep workers' hours reasonable if they don't have to pay extra for extra work? Workers without overtime pay rights are twice as likely to work more than 40 hours per week, three times as likely to work more than 50 hours and three times as likely to work more than 60 hours. The fact is that workers will have less time with our families, thanks to President Bush's new overtime rule.
These overtime rules are also bad news for our economy -- at a time when we can least afford it. Our nation is already in a deep jobs hole; we have 1.6 million fewer jobs than when Bush took office.
Last month, experts were disappointed when the economy created only 32,000 jobs as opposed to the 200,000 expected. Under the new rule, employers will tend to work their current workers longer hours rather than creating new jobs, making the underlying problems in our economy even worse. At a time when workers' paychecks are down, joblessness is up and Americans are working more hours than workers in any other industrialized nation, Bush has made the wrong decision in implementing his new rule.
Even three former Department of Labor officials -- three of the highest-ranking DOL officials under Presidents Reagan, Bush and Clinton -- agree that these new overtime rules hurt workers. They have issued an analysis that concludes that with one exception, every one of the administration's changes to the overtime rules will weaken the eligibility requirement and increase the number of workers who will lose their overtime rights.
This new rule was sold as "modernization." But the truth is these are changes in the law that giant corporations have fought for years to win.
A number of low-income workers will gain overtime pay rights under the new rule, and we applaud this long-overdue change. But this gain does not justify the Bush administration's decision to take overtime pay rights away from millions of other workers, a move bipartisan majorities of Congress tried to block.
Last May, the Senate voted not once but twice to guarantee that no worker will lose his or her overtime rights. The two amendments passed by the Senate, we believe, would repeal large portions of the Bush regulation that restrict overtime eligibility. This marks the fourth time in the past year that Congress has voted to prohibit overtime pay cuts.
But the overtime guarantee passed by the Senate is unlikely to become law unless approved by the House. This explains why the House Republican leadership has blocked any debate or votes on protecting workers' overtime rights -- because they know that an overtime guarantee would likely pass in the House and would repeal major portions of the Bush overtime regulation. U.S. workers deserve an up-or-down vote in the House on this issue when Congress returns in September.
An overtime guarantee would give workers the peace of mind of knowing they will not be losing their right to overtime pay, and it would calm the intense political passions that have been stirred by the Bush plan. Anything less is simply a massive pay cut for America's workers.
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While you sit around b******g about how Bush is so great, Bush is actually pushing through legislation that is just an effective paycut for up to 6 million and also means longer hours without compensation,
This is reality it went into effect yesterday.
Inflation is Rampant, wages are down ...Its time for a change
Wake up fools.
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Frax
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:11 Post subject:
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I have yet to see any articles on this subject with any facts other than OMGZ 6million will lose/gain overtime pay! OMGZ OMGZ SKY IS FALLING!
No one, even the government, has been able to quantify how my will gain OT and how many will lose.
Nice "scare the po' folk" article tho!
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Orbit
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:15 Post subject:
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No one, even the government, has been able to quantify how my will gain OT and how many will lose.
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So they put in a new law without knowing the effects?
WOOHOOO! GoGo Bush!
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:16 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | I have yet to see any articles on this subject with any facts other than OMGZ 6million will lose/gain overtime pay! OMGZ OMGZ SKY IS FALLING!
No one, even the government, has been able to quantify how my will gain OT and how many will lose.
Nice "scare the po' folk" article tho! |
Scare the Po folk?
What the f**k are you talking about moron, do you even know the new OT laws or do you just drool and spew shit from the suckhole you call a mouth at random?
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:16 Post subject:
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| Orbit wrote: | | Frax wrote: |
No one, even the government, has been able to quantify how my will gain OT and how many will lose.
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So they put in a new law without knowing the effects?
WOOHOOO! GoGo Bush! |
hahahaha
Its projected 6 million to lose benefits
1 million to gain benefits
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Wily
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:18 Post subject:
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:19 Post subject:
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LOL!!!
WILYS SIG > KBARRS SIG!
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Wooly
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:27 Post subject:
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California laws are stricter than these new federal laws, so doesn't affect me none.. heh
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Confused
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:51 Post subject:
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The law was put into effect to end multimillion dollar overtime lawsuits. And only the left of the left actually think that 6 million will lose overtime pay.
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:55 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | The law was put into effect to end multimillion dollar overtime lawsuits. And only the left of the left actually think that 6 million will lose overtime pay. |
b******t!
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Luke Warm

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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:56 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | The law was put into effect to end multimillion dollar overtime lawsuits. And only the left of the left actually think that 6 million will lose overtime pay. |
b******t!
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:56 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | The law was put into effect to end multimillion dollar overtime lawsuits. And only the left of the left actually think that 6 million will lose overtime pay. |
This new rule was sold as "modernization." But the truth is these are changes in the law that giant corporations have fought for years to win.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 14:59 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | The law was put into effect to end multimillion dollar overtime lawsuits. And only the left of the left actually think that 6 million will lose overtime pay. |
This new rule was sold as "modernization." But the truth is these are changes in the law that giant corporations have fought for years to win. |
Because slackers like you were being awarded millions of dollars for having to work an extra 15 minutes. Even John Edwards doesn't get $4 million/hour for his lawsuits. This law makes overtime optional in many cases. If you don't like it, go work somewhere else.
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 15:07 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | The law was put into effect to end multimillion dollar overtime lawsuits. And only the left of the left actually think that 6 million will lose overtime pay. |
This new rule was sold as "modernization." But the truth is these are changes in the law that giant corporations have fought for years to win. |
Because slackers like you were being awarded millions of dollars for having to work an extra 15 minutes. Even John Edwards doesn't get $4 million/hour for his lawsuits. This law makes overtime optional in many cases. If you don't like it, go work somewhere else. |
No one gets awarded millions of dollars for working 15 minutes extra.
You can file your post under p for PURE SHIT.
God DAMN what a dumb ass.
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Frax
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 15:11 Post subject:
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 15:56 Post subject:
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Wily that sig is way to big bro.
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Obmar
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 15:59 Post subject:
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partisan politics aside during an election year - this can, and will f**k with some people
more people will lose out on this than will gain
i am not personally effected because i am salaried - but some of the posters on the board will definitely be suffering for this move.
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xeqer
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 16:06 Post subject:
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This is no big deal really. Yes, a small % of white collar workers lose some overtime pay.
Welcome to the white-collar world of salary. Instead of overtime pay, they'll likely be given "comp time" from their employers like the rest of us.
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Docter
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 16:12 Post subject:
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I'm a salary employee and this will be beneficial in one of two ways...either my work week will be cut from 6 days to 5 days (50 hour to a 40 hour work week)...or...I will get a pay raise. Either way, I'm happy.
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Wily
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Posted: 08/24/04 - 16:50 Post subject: GW Bush LIED, was AWOL & DESERTED duty during Vietnam*PR
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