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motherface
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 Posted: 12/26/05 - 23:33 Post subject: Nintendo DS Wireless question
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From what I read, the DS uses 802.11b. I put my s****y WAP54g back into mixed b/g mode but I have no idea how to tell whether the DS is able to do its thing. There's no wireless config or anything that I can find. How do you know when it's working?
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sinrakin
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Posted: 12/27/05 - 09:52 Post subject:
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You have to have a wifi-enabled game inserted, e.g. Mario Kart, not sure which others. Then "WFC SETUP" is part of the game menu. It will save settings for up to 3 wifi networks. It will work with WEP (or no password), but not WPA. It also gets saturated with too many wifi networks - if it sees more than about 8 or so at once it won't show some of them, but that wouldn't normally be a problem.
One odd thing about its WIFI is that it only uses 2 Mbit/sec (uses less power maybe?), rather than 11, which means your access point needs to fall back to a slower speed when it's talking to the DS. The one I had at home wasn't doing that until I reconfigured it.
A cool thing is it works over several WIFI networks that you normally have to pay to use (BT/Openzone, and whatever McDonalds uses) - apparently they have a deal so the Nintendo password site is white-listed, and it goes there to get a password then uses it to log on to the network automatically without having to use a credit card. It uses SSL though so I couldn't easily hack it.
The CEO of our company heard I was playing over wifi and said "you should play my daughter sometime, she's really good at it and she's always online". I told him maybe I already had, I'd been playing with someone local last night who kept beating me, was her handle "Wicked Queen"? He said "God, I hope not, she's only twelve" 
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Ishmael
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Posted: 12/27/05 - 13:23 Post subject:
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I pictochatted with an 8 year old the night I got mine. Cause I didnt have any games yet 
Went out and bought advance wars mario, 64 ds, and mariokart ds tho! so wee
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Ashenor
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Posted: 12/27/05 - 20:43 Post subject:
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It any good held off on buying it, i rarely ever play my PSP or other portables.
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motherface
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Posted: 12/27/05 - 20:55 Post subject:
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| Ashenor wrote: | | It any good held off on buying it, i rarely ever play my PSP or other portables. |
Only have the Metroid pinball game so far but it's fun as hell.
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gotissues68
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 12:39 Post subject:
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Nintendo DS = A++++++++++++++++ would buy again =p
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halfbent
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 13:26 Post subject:
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I just wish Mario Kart games didn't take so long to connect. Most of the time it searches for 2-3 minutes before it decides to start and play. =\ DS sucked at first, but the games coming out lately have been great, all kinds of variety to play! Phoenix Wright 4tw.
I really thought the PSP was going to be good, until they started focusing on the stupid Media aspect of it instead of the games, who the f**k buys a portable game system to watch movies on it, and it's way to bulky to be a viable solution for music.
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motherface
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 14:40 Post subject:
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| halfbent wrote: | I just wish Mario Kart games didn't take so long to connect. Most of the time it searches for 2-3 minutes before it decides to start and play. =\ DS sucked at first, but the games coming out lately have been great, all kinds of variety to play! Phoenix Wright 4tw.
I really thought the PSP was going to be good, until they started focusing on the stupid Media aspect of it instead of the games, who the f**k buys a portable game system to watch movies on it, and it's way to bulky to be a viable solution for music. |
Having the movies in their own proprietary format is just shooting themselves in the foot too. Who's going to buy a movie for $25 for PSP and then $15 for regular DVD?
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Zab
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 17:00 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | halfbent wrote: | I just wish Mario Kart games didn't take so long to connect. Most of the time it searches for 2-3 minutes before it decides to start and play. =\ DS sucked at first, but the games coming out lately have been great, all kinds of variety to play! Phoenix Wright 4tw.
I really thought the PSP was going to be good, until they started focusing on the stupid Media aspect of it instead of the games, who the f**k buys a portable game system to watch movies on it, and it's way to bulky to be a viable solution for music. |
Having the movies in their own proprietary format is just shooting themselves in the foot too. Who's going to buy a movie for $25 for PSP and then $15 for regular DVD? |
How about we just dload anything we want and put it on our psp for whenever. i have 3 UMDs right now which i got for xmas. mainly because they are 3 of my all time favorite movies. I dont plan on getting anymore.
If you only think of one aspect at a time of what the psp is capable of then yea it isnt going to be able to compare to a device that is made for only that one thing. If you look at everything the psp is capable of doing it is one of the most versatile portable electronic devices out there. Singling out just one thing and bashing the whole system just because it doesnt do one thing well is Maelstrom stupid. Compare the whole product to something not just one aspect.
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motherface
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 17:17 Post subject:
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Eh, saying that the PSP is good because it does many things shittily is a pretty poor argument. I'd rather have 3 devices that do specific tasks well than one gigantic device that does 3 things in a mediocre way. And frankly the PSP is monstrously large.
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Zab
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 17:39 Post subject:
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PSP is 6.7" long and 2.9" tall and .62 lbs with a battery
So half a pound and the size of a grown mans hand.
Lets list the abilities that the PSP has really fast. I am not going to include Homebrew/hacks.
any video production
any audio production
games
Music
Internet
Ipods - They are lighter and thinner but only do music and pictures.
- the new ipod does video and games but the screen makes it almost impossible to watch and the games are mediocre due to lack of control.
PDAs - The newest PDAs do everything a psp does but the games are not as good and lack the control of a psp. PDAs also have a shorter battery life than a psp. Screen quality is not as good as a psp's.
Nintendo DS - i do not own one but i have seen and held them. Only played for a short period so not going to comment on those aspects. The aspect i will talk about is size.
Specs - 5.85" Wide, 3.33" long, 1.13" tall when closed.
When open they are just about double the length. Weight is about the same as a psp with a battery from what i remember ( please correct me when wrong )
Portable DVD players - Very large and bulky. Have to carry DVDs around as well as the player. No games or internet. Also have to carry CDs around if you want music.
This is just off the top of my head. You pick any 3 of these and carry them around and carry around a psp and see which you need more room for. The only one that comes close is the Nintendo DS and i wish i had more on hand experience to give a more objective view on it but i dont. I have first hand owner experience with every other device listed.
Also, saying the psp does everything shittily is a stupid arguement. it does everything well ( i only have a beef with the slowness of the internet connection for the web ).
To say the psp is " monstrously large " and " I'd rather have 3 devices that do specific tasks well than one gigantic device that does 3 things in a mediocre way. " is stupid. I didnt even include homebrew/hacks in my list and with everything that comes with the psp the size is perfect. Take any 3 of the items i stated above and you will have more to carry than if you carry one psp around. Even if you include UMDs into the arguement they are small enough that you can fit them into any pocket w/o any real hinderance to movement or discomfort.
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halfbent
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 20:08 Post subject:
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Saying the PSP is good with the internet is a completely false statement. Maybe it's just my area, but open WiFi networks aren't all too common yet, and even then, the browsing on a PSP is slow as shit, and browsing the web at ~480 pixel width is just rediculous to even think about it being "good."
If I wanted to watch movies, and listen to music, on the same device. I'd get a PMC (like one of these **** beasts, which would do this more than likely better than the PSP in a more manageable way. Shelling out 250 for the system, and another 200 for a 2gb stick that will hold a fraction of the amount another media player will isn't worth it imo.
Also, new firmware every other f*****g day is stupid. Who cares if someone wants to run homebrew on your game system.
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Zab
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 21:13 Post subject:
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| halfbent wrote: | Saying the PSP is good with the internet is a completely false statement. Maybe it's just my area, but open WiFi networks aren't all too common yet, and even then, the browsing on a PSP is slow as shit, and browsing the web at ~480 pixel width is just rediculous to even think about it being "good."
If I wanted to watch movies, and listen to music, on the same device. I'd get a PMC (like one of these **** beasts, which would do this more than likely better than the PSP in a more manageable way. Shelling out 250 for the system, and another 200 for a 2gb stick that will hold a fraction of the amount another media player will isn't worth it imo.
Also, new firmware every other f*****g day is stupid. Who cares if someone wants to run homebrew on your game system. |
Read again. his main complaint was size. I said i wasnt happy with the internet on the psp so i agree wholeheartedly with you on that point. That is why i dont use it either. And open WiFi networks are pretty common around the DC area and where i work. If i want an open wifi at work i run over to the dorms about 70 feet from work and log on there. If i want one when im in arlington national cemetary i run over to fort myer where they just installed one in the community center. ( Yes i do take my PSP to ANC. when we have a funeral to do at 9 am and then not another one till 3 pm we have alot of down time. so portable entertainment is a must. never take it to work on base. too busy. )
Now, as for comparing it to a product that has only 1-2 applications. I totally agree with you that that machine will completely blow out the psp in those two areas. there is a reason for this. it was made specifically for that. if it didnt do its jobs well it wouldnt sell. Hence why in my last arguement i stated that comparing the psp to an item that has only 1 or 2 purposes is a moot point.
EDIT: After rereading my statement i see that i said the psp did well in the internet department other than it being slow. I retract that statement because yes i do believe it is false and worded my previous statement incorrectly.
As far as firmware being updated on a regular basis ( albeit not every day which im taking as exaggeration ). I dont agree with it because i did enjoy running NES games and games from other older systems. But, to play many of the recent games and im 99.9% positive any future games will require you to update your firmware. I enjoy the new games on my psp due to having the same emulators i had on my psp on my desktop and being able to play at home. sucks they arent portable but i enjoy the games i have for psp.
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motherface
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Posted: 12/28/05 - 23:48 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | To say ... " I'd rather have 3 devices that do specific tasks well than one gigantic device that does 3 things in a mediocre way. " is stupid. |
Don't be a d*****s. The video iPod has 30 gigs and is a far more convenient (and logical) way to watch movies than by lugging around Sony's s****y PSP-only discs. It's also got one of the best interfaces for playing music ever created. The PSP can hold 2 gigs of music if you buy a $200 memory card. For the price of a PSP and a 2-gig memory stick you could buy a 30 gig video iPod and a Nintendo DS.
If not for the homebrew options the PSP wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is, which is a testament to how crappy the device itself is.
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Zab
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Posted: 12/29/05 - 06:48 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | Zab wrote: | | To say ... " I'd rather have 3 devices that do specific tasks well than one gigantic device that does 3 things in a mediocre way. " is stupid. |
Don't be a d*****s. The video iPod has 30 gigs and is a far more convenient (and logical) way to watch movies than by lugging around Sony's s****y PSP-only discs. It's also got one of the best interfaces for playing music ever created. The PSP can hold 2 gigs of music if you buy a $200 memory card. For the price of a PSP and a 2-gig memory stick you could buy a 30 gig video iPod and a Nintendo DS.
If not for the homebrew options the PSP wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is, which is a testament to how crappy the device itself is. |
Conveneient due to size and storage capacity sure. Value of the movie however will be small to nil. Video ipod only has a 2.5 inch screen. The old gameboys had a screen bigger than that.
Video IPod Starts at 299.99
Nintendo DS ( bare bones just the system) starts at 129.99
Would be rather close in price. Also, of course the Video Ipod has the best interface for music. It was created for that one thing and that one thing only. with the new ipod they added video capabilities. So now it has 2 things it can do but it still doesnt have the versatility of a psp.
Oh yea btw, a company called Datek has been selling 4 gig HDDs for the psp for a while now. Add on to the fact that if you do some modding of them you can interchange the storage device ( Compact Flash card inside is interchangable ) and carry way more than the professed 2 gigs you stated.
If you want to get into popularity here is a website for ya.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/new-for-you/top-sellers/-/videogames/all/ref=vg_hp_tn_2/103-8892858-4147808
Basicly it shows that the PSP Value pack is the number 2 electronic being sold on amazon.com while the DS value pack is a lowly # 8.
Oh yeah, it was projected as well before the holidays that sony was going to be doubling the sale of their PSPs to 6 million in the US at the end of this holiday season.
Your arguement is s****y. You complain about size yet with the dimensions of the psp and you having to carry around more than the actual psp to get its capabilities says it is still better. The quality of it's abilities ( other than those discussed as s****y earlier ) are top notch.
Go argue somewhere else and do some research before you come to play. You cant win this arguement because you are wrong.
EDIT: Here is another solution for memory space capabilities.
http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,1301.0.html
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motherface
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Posted: 12/29/05 - 09:00 Post subject:
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I'm not trying to "win" any "argument," there's nothing to discuss - the DS is clearly a better gaming platform and the iPod is a better media platform.
Also, another thing in the DS's favor is its clamshell design, which implicitly keeps the device protected when not in use, whereas the PSP requires that gay sleeve.
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Zab
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Posted: 12/29/05 - 20:18 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | I'm not trying to "win" any "argument," there's nothing to discuss - the DS is clearly a better gaming platform and the iPod is a better media platform.
Also, another thing in the DS's favor is its clamshell design, which implicitly keeps the device protected when not in use, whereas the PSP requires that gay sleeve.
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you are hopeless. complete f*****g moron.
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motherface
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Posted: 12/29/05 - 23:36 Post subject:
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halfbent
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Posted: 12/30/05 - 11:22 Post subject:
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throwing larger peripherals onto an already big system doesn't really make it better. =\
I own both, and I can honestly say that I like my DS a whole lot better than the PSP. The DS went through a dryspell for good games, but the PSP has never really had any good games. Lumines has been the only game really worth getting IMO for the PSP, and the only one that still gets much play. The only thing my PSP gets used for now is emulators, and even that isn't for long.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 12/30/05 - 12:10 Post subject:
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What are some good games for the DS? I just have Kart, and someone got me Spiderman 2 which is sort of meh. I've looked on some of the sites but I'm never sure quite how much to believe them.
My biggest complaint with the DS is the screens - they're pretty directional, and have a lot of glare. You have to look at it almost exactly dead on, with not much light behind you.
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motherface
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Posted: 12/30/05 - 12:11 Post subject:
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Metroid Pinball - A+. Getting more tables in it is annoying though.
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halfbent
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Posted: 12/30/05 - 12:28 Post subject:
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Wario Ware Touched is fun, almost no replay value after you unlock/beat everything however.
Just started playing Mario & Luigi Partners in Time and love it so far, somewhat like the GBA Superstar Saga one, which isn't a bad thing at all. Is a fun RPGish game.
Meteos is supposed to be a really addicting/fun puzzle game (Lumines kills almost all puzzle games lately tho) haven't had a chance to pick it up yet however.
Kirby: Canvas Curse is a ton of fun too, move him by drawing paths on the touchscreen. Was really simple, but was a lot of fun.
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow is a lot of fun, as are all of the GBA Castlevania games. They play sort of like Symphony of the Night clones.
Advance Wars Dual Strike might be worth checking out, I plan on buying it eventually. Loved the first, didn't like the second much, hope this one is better.
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney is also supposed to be fun, haven't played more than a couple minutes yet tho.
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So far I love all the games I bought. MArio 64DS is well mario 64, but it has some fun mini games on it too. I love the way it uses both screens so smoothly. MArio Kart of course kicks much ass, and advance wars dual strike is really fun. Only think I wish I could do is shut the 16 year old commanders up who say random shit I don't care to hear.
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Posted: 12/30/05 - 17:19 Post subject:
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A dude at work said if he didn't have to work he'd spend every waking hour playing Animal Crossing, which looks pretty interesting. It's sold out everywhere near me.
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