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sinrakin
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 Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:04 Post subject: Nice - White House commits treason to intimidate critics
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Or so it would appear. Revealing the identity of an undercover CIA operative puts her life, and the life of all of her contacts, in danger. It also squanders an entire career of intelligence apparatus building. Just to put pressure on her husband. If a spy did this, they'd probably be hanged.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia233384176jul23,0,5461415.story
| Quote: | Washington - Democrats yesterday denounced the alleged disclosure by administration officials of the identity of an undercover CIA officer, and members of both parties indicated a congressional investigation is likely.
Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), an Intelligence Committee member, said it plans to investigate who revealed the identity of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame, who is married to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson. In a move that sparked the current controversy over allegations that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Niger, Wilson revealed two weeks ago that he had warned the Bush administration the reports were unfounded.
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), vice chairman of the intelligence panel, called the disclosure of Plame's identity "vile" and "a highly dishonorable thing to do; highly, highly dishonorable." He, too, said a probe is probably necessary and accused the White House of strong-arm tactics aimed at those who question their policies. "To go after him [Wilson] is one thing, but to go after his wife is another thing," Rockefeller said.
Former intelligence officials joined in denouncing the release of Plame's name by "two senior administration officials" to conservative columnist Robert Novak.
W. Patrick Lang, former director of Middle East analysis at the Defense Intelligence Agency, said, "I think it is inherently irresponsible to disclose the true identity of a covered DO [directorate of operations] officer. It's a frivolous and irresponsible act."
Ray McGovern, a CIA analyst for 27 years and an outspoken critic of the Bush administration's intelligence on Iraq, called the release "unconscionable" and said it "could be incredibly damaging."
White House press secretary Scott McClellan heatedly denied that anyone in the White House had been authorized to leak Plame's undercover status, saying, "That is not the way this White House operates." Asked if he were flatly ruling out any administration involvement, McClellan said: "I'm saying no one was certainly given any authority to do anything of that nature, and I've seen no evidence to suggest there's any truth to it."
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said he agreed the committee will probably investigate the matter, but he dismissed the charges of White House strong-arm tactics as "typical political talk; unjustified political talk."
On the Senate floor, Durbin lashed out at unnamed White House officials for also trying to discredit him by charging last week he had improperly publicly disclosed classified intelligence testimony when he said CIA officials had said they felt pressured by the White House into approving the use of the Niger accusations in the president's State of the Union speech.
Durbin said the White House is being heavy-handed with anyone who questioned how the administration made its case for war with Iraq.
"This White House is going to turn to you and attack you," Durbin said. "They are going to question your patriotism."
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) said compromising the identity of Wilson's wife may be a felony.
"I think that it ought to be investigated," he said. "Who did it? Why did they do it? Was it simply to, again, intimidate Mr. Wilson?"
Without commenting specifically about issues before the House intelligence panel, Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.), the panel chairman, said disclosing the identity of an undercover CIA agent is the kind of thing his committee examines.
Staff writers Ken Fireman and Knut Royce and Washington Bureau chief Timothy M. Phelps contributed to this story. |
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Renork
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:09 Post subject:
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i vote puplic execution, fox will pick it up im sure of it
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:15 Post subject:
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FOX news.. the biggest journalistic farce of our time.
It's clear the Bush Administration is going to be hounded by this. They didn't follow the proper procedures, and they will pay. Don't let the door hit ya'll on the way out.
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Abibabi
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:23 Post subject:
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No, Rennol that would be the Clinton News Network (CNN) ... It's going to be nice to sit back and laugh at all the moron Liberals when Bush gets re-elected and both house and senate remain Republican 
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sinrakin
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:27 Post subject:
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You know the funny thing is I don't identify with liberals at all. I've always been a Republican (well, occasionally I vote Libertarian). I just criticize whatever looks wrong. But I believe in most of the Republican principles. I voted for Reagan, and I voted for both Bushs. I was a little disenchanted when the first Bush pardoned the Iran Contra conspiritors, and obviously I'm horribly disillusioned now. But I really don't feel any spiritual bond with the Democrats.
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lotek
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:27 Post subject:
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| Abibabi wrote: | | No, Rennol that would be the Clinton News Network (CNN) ... It's going to be nice to sit back and laugh at all the moron Liberals when Bush gets re-elected and both house and senate remain Republican |
both fox and cnn do a fine job of reporting the news. Anyone who says otherwise simply prefers using the scapegoats that government has convieniently convinced you to use.
get scared when government convinces you to shun the free press.
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Luturb
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:33 Post subject:
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Man this headhunting for the president is getting really nasty. You can't fault the democrats too much, because they learned their tricks from the Republicans during the Clinton administration.
My money is on Bush getting reelected though. He still has a 55% approval rating, which is pretty good, and the democrats don't have anybody too exciting to put up against him. Also, the economy is starting into an upturn, which should be even better by election time.
Bleh, I'm not looking forward to a year of presidential election politics  They should make presidential terms 10 years with a 1 term limit just so we wouldn't have to go through this crap so often.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:33 Post subject:
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| lotek wrote: | | get scared when government convinces you to shun the free press. |
Along those lines: the GOP lawyers are also threatening TV stations with license revocation if they air a Democratic commercial accusing Bush of misleading people about the war in Iraq:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/23/168232
| Quote: | Republican attorneys claim that it isn’t the Bush administration who is guilty of misleading the country but the Democrats for running an anti-Bush TV spot. Only one station has refused to run the ad, a Fox station. Attorneys for the Republican Party are warning TV stations not to air a new commercial by the Democratic National Committee that charges President Bush misled the country in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq. The video shows Bush saying, "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Republicans said the ad is "deliberately false and misleading” because the ad omits the portion of Bush's statement where he points out that the disputed information came from the British government.
A letter from Republican counsel to TV stations in Wisconsin reads in part, “The Democratic National Committee certainly has a legitimate First Amendment right to participate in political debate, but it has no right to willfully spread false information in a deliberate attempt to mislead the American people… as an FCC licensee you have the responsibility to exercise independent editorial judgment to not only oversee and protect the American marketplace of ideas, essential for the health of our democracy, but also to avoid deliberate misrepresentations of the facts.”
The letter concludes: “Such obligations must be taken seriously. This letter puts you on notice that the information contained in the above-cited advertisement is false and misleading; therefore, you are obligated to refrain from airing this advertisement.”
A message on the DNC website now reads: “This is the ad President Bush doesn’t want you to see.” |
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:33 Post subject:
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you're an idiot. Rupert Murdoch has brought us his tabloid visions of journalism from England.
We used to have good reporting in this nation, now, it is just a ratings frenzy on all sides.
Abibabi, you're a moron if you think CNN is "clinton news network", lol, f*****g idiot.
And no, Bush will not be re-elected. Mainly because he will be impeached and forced to resign.
Nixon had watergate, Reagan had Iran Contra, LBJ/Nixon/Ford had Vietnam, Bush has the potential to have all 3!
Grats to him!
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:37 Post subject:
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And people wonder why I quit TV.
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Banzai
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:44 Post subject:
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Bush sr. had a very good approval rateing while in Iraq but that has nothing to dowith getting re-elected and everything to do with the amazing support US has to back it's leader.
Since we are over there our citizens will project to the world that we support our commander in chief but when election time comes around look to George Sr. for an example of how quickly the tides turn.
And could you leave Clinton out of this please and stop living in the past. Has nothing to do with him unles you are just looking for a smoke screen. If you want to draw up a political comparison then by all means do it on a diffrent thread where the points would actually be valid.
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 13:48 Post subject:
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I would just like Bush to do the stand up thing:
Instead of looking to place blame for the mistakes of the administration, take personal responsibility. If he's the kind of guy he claims to be, this would be the kind of response that would make sense, as well as earn him credibility.
If someone in my shop makes a mistake that involves the customer (here, the public), then I'd sure be taking the responsibility.
| Banzai wrote: | | And could you leave Clinton out of this please and stop living in the past. Has nothing to do with him unles you are just looking for a smoke screen. |
*Ding! Ding!* We have a winner.
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Akronn
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 14:41 Post subject:
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| Abibabi wrote: | | No, Rennol that would be the Clinton News Network (CNN) ... It's going to be nice to sit back and laugh at all the moron Liberals when Bush gets re-elected and both house and senate remain Republican |
I always enjoy this.
Criticism of Bush always leads to insulting liberals. Awesome.
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Luturb
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 14:48 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | And no, Bush will not be re-elected. Mainly because he will be impeached and forced to resign.
Nixon had watergate, Reagan had Iran Contra, LBJ/Nixon/Ford had Vietnam, Bush has the potential to have all 3!
Grats to him! |
You call everybody that disagrees with you a moron and an idiot and then post something like this. I think whoever you're buying your weed from is putting too many dandilions or something in there.
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 14:53 Post subject:
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More importantly, it is doubtful that Bush would have given the direct order the way Nixon did. If there's anything IranGate taught us, it's that Presidents have learned how to insulate themselves from criminal charges.
As well, keep in mind that we're talking about Bush here. ANYTHING to do with foreign policy isn't exactly his forte.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 15:04 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Abibabi wrote: | | No, Rennol that would be the Clinton News Network (CNN) ... It's going to be nice to sit back and laugh at all the moron Liberals when Bush gets re-elected and both house and senate remain Republican :) |
I always enjoy this.
Criticism of Bush always leads to insulting liberals. Awesome. |
I think calling a liberal a "moron" is closer to flattery than an insult.
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 15:22 Post subject:
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I don't call people morons unless they are morons
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 15:36 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | you're an idiot. Rupert Murdoch has brought us his tabloid visions of journalism from England.
We used to have good reporting in this nation, now, it is just a ratings frenzy on all sides.
Abibabi, you're a moron if you think CNN is "clinton news network", lol, f*****g idiot.
And no, Bush will not be re-elected. Mainly because he will be impeached and forced to resign.
Nixon had watergate, Reagan had Iran Contra, LBJ/Nixon/Ford had Vietnam, Bush has the potential to have all 3!
Grats to him! |
Idiot.
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Akronn
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 15:36 Post subject:
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That is kind of funny, WheresNWS, and it applies to people who calls themselves 'conservative' too.
You have to admit, conservatives' counter-argument for Bush bashers is ridiculous at best. It's exactly like this exchange:
Normal individual: 'The Yankees suck.'
Conservative: 'Well so do the Dodgers.'
Normal individual: 'Umm... yeah, so do you have a point?'
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 15:59 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | That is kind of funny, WheresNWS, and it applies to people who calls themselves 'conservative' too.
You have to admit, conservatives' counter-argument for Bush bashers is ridiculous at best. It's exactly like this exchange:
Normal individual: 'The Yankees suck.'
Conservative: 'Well so do the Dodgers.'
Normal individual: 'Umm... yeah, so do you have a point?' |
I didn't realize all conservative arguments were the same...bigot.
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Abibabi
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 17:04 Post subject:
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First of all Sinraken .. could you have thought of a more inflamatory and ultimately unproven title for this thread? Quite misleading once you read the article because according to the article all that is going on right now is a bunch of finger pointing and accusing.. Nothing even REMOTELY proven or concrete..
Damn I can't finish this now I have to go ... I'll finish later...
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 17:06 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | That is kind of funny, WheresNWS, and it applies to people who calls themselves 'conservative' too.
You have to admit, conservatives' counter-argument for Bush bashers is ridiculous at best. It's exactly like this exchange:
Normal individual: 'The Yankees suck.'
Conservative: 'Well so do the Dodgers.'
Normal individual: 'Umm... yeah, so do you have a point?' |
I didn't realize all conservative arguments were the same...bigot. |
Bigot... I do not think this word means what you think it means. Look it up.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 17:32 Post subject:
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | That is kind of funny, WheresNWS, and it applies to people who calls themselves 'conservative' too.
You have to admit, conservatives' counter-argument for Bush bashers is ridiculous at best. It's exactly like this exchange:
Normal individual: 'The Yankees suck.'
Conservative: 'Well so do the Dodgers.'
Normal individual: 'Umm... yeah, so do you have a point?' |
I didn't realize all conservative arguments were the same...bigot. |
Bigot... I do not think this word means what you think it means. Look it up. |
I'm pretty sure I do, you ignorant son of a b***h. Here's the dictionary.com definition:
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 17:48 Post subject:
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| WheresNWS wrote: | | Haroun Zehra wrote: | | WheresNWS wrote: | | Akronn wrote: | That is kind of funny, WheresNWS, and it applies to people who calls themselves 'conservative' too.
You have to admit, conservatives' counter-argument for Bush bashers is ridiculous at best. It's exactly like this exchange:
Normal individual: 'The Yankees suck.'
Conservative: 'Well so do the Dodgers.'
Normal individual: 'Umm... yeah, so do you have a point?' |
I didn't realize all conservative arguments were the same...bigot. |
Bigot... I do not think this word means what you think it means. Look it up. |
I'm pretty sure I do, you ignorant son of a b***h. Here's the dictionary.com definition:
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. |
It has a different definiton in socialist canada.
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Dapht
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 17:48 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | i vote puplic execution, fox will pick it up im sure of it |
Tinkle... If you are going to quote Carlin then at least give him the credit.
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 17:52 Post subject:
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f**k Canada.
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 17:53 Post subject:
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| Dapht wrote: | | Quote: | | i vote puplic execution, fox will pick it up im sure of it |
Tinkle... If you are going to quote Carlin then at least give him the credit. |
And spell public right.
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 18:18 Post subject:
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The irony of the situation is that WheresNWS is the biggest bigot on this board, or at least talks like he is.
Might just be another one of the countless bluffs though.. all fluff, no substance.
Kbarr: We'll see whom history vindicates by the time November 2004 rolls around. Plenty of time for independent counsel to make a thorough, and I mean thorough, investigation of every facet of Bush's handling of everything that has occurred thus far. Sucks to be under the gun, I hope he's sweating. It's obvious that he's never had to sweat before. Maybe when he was in the National Guard while 'normal' boys were sent to Vietnam.. especially pilots... but then again.. he can't even remember what he did in the National Guard. What a pathetic President.
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 18:27 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | The irony of the situation is that WheresNWS is the biggest bigot on this board, or at least talks like he is.
Might just be another one of the countless bluffs though.. all fluff, no substance.
Kbarr: We'll see whom history vindicates by the time November 2004 rolls around. Plenty of time for independent counsel to make a thorough, and I mean thorough, investigation of every facet of Bush's handling of everything that has occurred thus far. Sucks to be under the gun, I hope he's sweating. It's obvious that he's never had to sweat before. Maybe when he was in the National Guard while 'normal' boys were sent to Vietnam.. especially pilots... but then again.. he can't even remember what he did in the National Guard. What a pathetic President. |
It was so great when I heard gore wasn't going to be the president!!
Yes, I have to say it was wonderful!!!!!
And I loved seeing all the idiots loose their f*****g minds:) Its still a hoot reading this gripe and that b***h from all the bitter dopes!!!!
4 more years!!!!!!
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Rennol
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Posted: 07/23/03 - 18:33 Post subject:
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READING COMPREHENSION MY DEAR KBARR
I don't live in the past, find any mention of "Gore" in any of my posts. Please.
Oh and I like how you didn't bother to attack Bush's lack of "military" experience. Coming from one as yourself that must be quite a statement. Is it because you don't care that he was given a free ride his entire life, or is it because you had the same luxury?
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