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Tura
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| Aluaeia wrote: | | Zonk wrote: | | I am a christian but i wouldnt care if Bush said we are going to summon Zues from Mount Olympus to smite the terrorists with Thunder Bolts. As long as he is doing what is right i dont care. |
Problem: Since when has Bush II done what is right? (unless it coincides with what his pals in big business or the guys daddy owes a favor to want) |
People like you are being laughed at around the country.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 01/21/05 - 11:42 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Vekril wrote: | What he said today didn't really bother me Nuldaan, it was mostly general mentions, a few too many for my taste, but whatever.
What did really scare me was last week in a well publicized interview Bush said something close to this: "I do not see how anyone could be President without a close personal relationship with the almighty."
That means our President believes that people are not qualified or fit for any position of great power or responsibility if they are not deeply religious. I am NOT ok with that. That is our President saying he thinks religious people are superior to non-religious. f**k him and his butt budy Jesus up the ass with rusty crowbars if he thinks like that... |
I didn't hear that interview but that point is fair enough. I still feel that he is entitled to his beliefs but I can see why that would concern people. |
He's not saying that he believes people without faith are not qualified, what he is saying is that his faith helps him every day that he has no idea how someone with a role that has great responsibility can be successful without faith, but he's acknowledging that people do, he just doesn't understand how they do.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 01/21/05 - 13:18 Post subject:
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| Tura wrote: | | Aluaeia wrote: | | Zonk wrote: | | I am a christian but i wouldnt care if Bush said we are going to summon Zues from Mount Olympus to smite the terrorists with Thunder Bolts. As long as he is doing what is right i dont care. |
Problem: Since when has Bush II done what is right? (unless it coincides with what his pals in big business or the guys daddy owes a favor to want) |
People like you are being laughed at around the country. |
I agree with Aluaeia wether im laughed at or not. Its easy to see, just open your eyes.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/21/05 - 13:20 Post subject:
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Operation Iraqi Freedom was the right thing to do. Now if only I could make Bush kill off welfare I'd be happy.
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Posted: 01/21/05 - 13:23 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Operation Iraqi Freedom was the right thing to do. Now if only I could make Bush kill off welfare I'd be happy. |
dont just talk about it man get politically active and lead an iniative to abolish it!
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Tura
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Posted: 01/21/05 - 13:25 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | | Tura wrote: | | Aluaeia wrote: | | Zonk wrote: | | I am a christian but i wouldnt care if Bush said we are going to summon Zues from Mount Olympus to smite the terrorists with Thunder Bolts. As long as he is doing what is right i dont care. |
Problem: Since when has Bush II done what is right? (unless it coincides with what his pals in big business or the guys daddy owes a favor to want) |
People like you are being laughed at around the country. |
I agree with Aluaeia wether im laughed at or not. Its easy to see, just open your eyes. |
Oh, believe me, im quite aware that your eyes are wide open, but your focused on something that isnt even there. How can you sit there and say that Bush hasn't done one good thing for this country is beyond my comprehention.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 01/21/05 - 13:27 Post subject:
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| Tura wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | | Tura wrote: | | Aluaeia wrote: | | Zonk wrote: | | I am a christian but i wouldnt care if Bush said we are going to summon Zues from Mount Olympus to smite the terrorists with Thunder Bolts. As long as he is doing what is right i dont care. |
Problem: Since when has Bush II done what is right? (unless it coincides with what his pals in big business or the guys daddy owes a favor to want) |
People like you are being laughed at around the country. |
I agree with Aluaeia wether im laughed at or not. Its easy to see, just open your eyes. |
Oh, believe me, im quite aware that your eyes are wide open, but your focused on something that isnt even there. How can you sit there and say that Bush hasn't done one good thing for this country is beyond my comprehention. |
I didn't say that he hasn't done 1 good thing. I just don't like Bush and his policies. 
He can lick the peanuts out of my shit for all i care. 
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Rasil_Sabishi
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Posted: 01/21/05 - 21:08 Post subject:
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Welcome to America, where you have the freedom to be any religion you want, as long as you live a good christian life.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/21/05 - 21:20 Post subject:
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| Rasil_Sabishi wrote: | | Welcome to America, where you have the freedom to be any religion you want, as long as you live a good christian life. |
You can practice any religion you want. Our President happens to be Chrisitian as is the majority of Americans.
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Aluaeia
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 00:06 Post subject:
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It's not that he hasn't done anything good for the country, just that the good things he's done do the most good for his big business/big oil/daddy's friends.
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Rennol
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 01:29 Post subject:
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| Aluaeia wrote: | | It's not that he hasn't done anything good for the country, just that the good things he's done do the most good for his big business/big oil/daddy's friends. |
U r blind 2 bush. He is hlping every1 in America. He loves us because God loves us and he is God.
4 more years!
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Frax
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 12:29 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Rasil_Sabishi wrote: | | Welcome to America, where you have the freedom to be any religion you want, as long as you live a good christian life. |
You can practice any religion you want. Our President happens to be Chrisitian as is the majority of Americans. |
Actually no. I'm a mainly conservative type person, however the government has been, more and more since WW2, had a serious chistian tilt. The majority of Americans are not 'christian'.. Many believe in a god but don't go to church or pray or anything of the sort.
White American != Christian.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 13:03 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rasil_Sabishi wrote: | | Welcome to America, where you have the freedom to be any religion you want, as long as you live a good christian life. |
You can practice any religion you want. Our President happens to be Chrisitian as is the majority of Americans. |
Actually no. I'm a mainly conservative type person, however the government has been, more and more since WW2, had a serious chistian tilt. The majority of Americans are not 'christian'.. Many believe in a god but don't go to church or pray or anything of the sort.
White American != Christian. |
The majority of the US actually is Christian; 78% of the country is to be exact. In fact, 91% of the country identified themselves as a member of some religion. Of that 91%, only 65% are actually members of a church, however.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/03statab/pop.pdf
Tables 79-82 show the breakdown.
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Frax
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 14:11 Post subject:
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| Code: | [In thousands (175,440 represents 175,440,000). The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) 2001 was based on a
random digit-dialed telephone survey of 50,281 American residential households in the continental U.S.A (48 states). Respondents
were asked to describe themselves in terms of religion with an open-ended question. Interviewers did not prompt or offer a
suggested list of potential answers. Moreover, the self-description of respondents was not based on whether established religious
bodies, institutions, churches, mosques or synagogues considered them to be members. Quite the contrary, the survey sought to
determine whether the respondents themselves regarded themselves as adherents of a religious community. Subjective rather
than objective standards of religious identification were tapped by the surveys] |
They sampled 50,281 people by telephone, out of 281,422,509 people. Thats less than 1/10th of 1%? That in itself should tell you that that data is no where near accurate. Even then only about half of the people who responded to that survey even stated they go to church...
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 14:29 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Code: | [In thousands (175,440 represents 175,440,000). The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) 2001 was based on a
random digit-dialed telephone survey of 50,281 American residential households in the continental U.S.A (48 states). Respondents
were asked to describe themselves in terms of religion with an open-ended question. Interviewers did not prompt or offer a
suggested list of potential answers. Moreover, the self-description of respondents was not based on whether established religious
bodies, institutions, churches, mosques or synagogues considered them to be members. Quite the contrary, the survey sought to
determine whether the respondents themselves regarded themselves as adherents of a religious community. Subjective rather
than objective standards of religious identification were tapped by the surveys] |
They sampled 50,281 people by telephone, out of 281,422,509 people. Thats less than 1/10th of 1%? That in itself should tell you that that data is no where near accurate. Even then only about half of the people who responded to that survey even stated they go to church... |
The majority is still Christian followed by Islam(?) I think.
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Confused
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 16:01 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Code: | [In thousands (175,440 represents 175,440,000). The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) 2001 was based on a
random digit-dialed telephone survey of 50,281 American residential households in the continental U.S.A (48 states). Respondents
were asked to describe themselves in terms of religion with an open-ended question. Interviewers did not prompt or offer a
suggested list of potential answers. Moreover, the self-description of respondents was not based on whether established religious
bodies, institutions, churches, mosques or synagogues considered them to be members. Quite the contrary, the survey sought to
determine whether the respondents themselves regarded themselves as adherents of a religious community. Subjective rather
than objective standards of religious identification were tapped by the surveys] |
They sampled 50,281 people by telephone, out of 281,422,509 people. Thats less than 1/10th of 1%? That in itself should tell you that that data is no where near accurate. Even then only about half of the people who responded to that survey even stated they go to church... |
Do you know what a "statistically valid sample" is?
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 19:47 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | They sampled 50,281 people by telephone, out of 281,422,509 people. Thats less than 1/10th of 1%? That in itself should tell you that that data is no where near accurate. Even then only about half of the people who responded to that survey even stated they go to church... |
Actually, about 44% said they had been to church within the past 7 days. 65% said they were members of a church. The number that go to church regularly, but less than weekly, falls somewhere between those two. There's no other data there to go on.
Also, 50,000 people is a significant enough portion to give an accurate result. To give you an example of the size of the sample, many public opinion polls (not exit polls mind you) only ask around 1,000 people...and yet they are typically accurate to within +/- 3%.
I'm not claiming these numbers are 100% accurate but the margin for error is small enough that they can be taken as a decent reflection of our society.
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Frax
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Posted: 01/22/05 - 20:11 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | They sampled 50,281 people by telephone, out of 281,422,509 people. Thats less than 1/10th of 1%? That in itself should tell you that that data is no where near accurate. Even then only about half of the people who responded to that survey even stated they go to church... |
Actually, about 44% said they had been to church within the past 7 days. 65% said they were members of a church. The number that go to church regularly, but less than weekly, falls somewhere between those two. There's no other data there to go on.
Also, 50,000 people is a significant enough portion to give an accurate result. To give you an example of the size of the sample, many public opinion polls (not exit polls mind you) only ask around 1,000 people...and yet they are typically accurate to within +/- 3%.
I'm not claiming these numbers are 100% accurate but the margin for error is small enough that they can be taken as a decent reflection of our society. |
those are fine if you have faith in that those things will always be accurate. I don't. I'm surprised to see this data even in the US census to be honest.
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