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Pankrat
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merdocc
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Food for thought? We know how many people died at the WTC. We know how many soldiers die every day in Iraq and elsewhere. What difference does it make if they show the mutilated bodies or people jumping to their deaths? We still know they died.
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Xenden
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 16:22 Post subject:
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Gonna haveta agree with Merdocc on this one.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 16:25 Post subject:
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Poor people 
f*****g Towel Heads =/
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Pankrat
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 16:27 Post subject:
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As long as you are not shocked and outraged by the "shocking abuse & torture" photo's of the Iraqi prisoners being posed in various embarassing positions, then it's all good. Note those charred corpses were American civilians ambushed in Faluja, chopped into pieces, burnedm, and hung out to pasture...
Where is the outrage in the media? Compare and contrast...
Also, when we hear about American deaths (or Jewish deaths in Israel) we hear stats and numbers in the most sanitized way possible. Why if these pictures were deemed "too graphic" or inflamatory for the media to portray (thanks for protecting us), then why the massive coverage and overexposure of the Iraqi's being abused?
If you don't get it, don't know what to say.
Ah well, back to work.
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Faerdal
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 16:50 Post subject:
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uh, the WTC jumpers have been shown plenty of times in the media. both video and stills.
those are just higher resolution shots than i've seen before
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Banzai
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:01 Post subject:
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"show this to your liberal friends"
hahahaha
That was funny.
What the f**k is that supposed to convey, liberals need to feel responsible? Liberals need to be on board with the war in Iraq? Liberals need to be ashamed for not enjoying a good picture with a prisoner of war in a dog collar?
What a joke. Some sheep programmed with the "liberal finger pointing", limited vocabulary b******t, thinking he's got a valid point or agenda, got a set of pictures that has been around for years and tries to slap on some idiotic propaganda message?
HAAHAHAHAHA
What a dolt.
Wtg, that’s got to be the sadist case ever made for just about anything ever.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:03 Post subject:
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| Banzai wrote: | "show this to your liberal friends"
hahahaha
That was funny.
What the f**k is that supposed to convey, liberals need to feel responsible? Liberals need to be on board with the war in Iraq? Liberals need to be ashamed for not enjoying a good picture with a prisoner of war in a dog collar?
What a joke. Some sheep programmed with the "liberal finger pointing", limited vocabulary b******t, thinking he's got a valid point or agenda, got a set of pictures that has been around for years and tries to slap on some idiotic propaganda message?
HAAHAHAHAHA
What a dolt.
Wtg, that’s got to be the sadist case ever made for just about anything ever. |
How about...why are liberals making a huge issue about this when they ignored Iraqis burning American civilians?
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Syke
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:11 Post subject:
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| Pankrat wrote: | As long as you are not shocked and outraged by the "shocking abuse & torture" photo's of the Iraqi prisoners being posed in various embarassing positions, then it's all good. Note those charred corpses were American civilians ambushed in Faluja, chopped into pieces, burnedm, and hung out to pasture...
Where is the outrage in the media? Compare and contrast...
Also, when we hear about American deaths (or Jewish deaths in Israel) we hear stats and numbers in the most sanitized way possible. Why if these pictures were deemed "too graphic" or inflamatory for the media to portray (thanks for protecting us), then why the massive coverage and overexposure of the Iraqi's being abused?
If you don't get it, don't know what to say.
Ah well, back to work. |
They were abused, not killed, burned alive, quartered and hung, as those pictures you posted depict. The reason they don't show those in the media is because they are too graphic. A bunch of arabs in a dogpile is not graphic.
In the case of the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners, the overexposure in the media is pure shock value for hearing about such things coming from OUR side. We are a country that is supposed to hold it's composure in a situation like this, it was "promised" by the president, and further enforced by the Geneva convention. We are supposed to uphold these values, values that are inherent and even more a part of our cause, since Bush's description of our purpose was set so beautifully..
It's detrimental to our cause and it's not something that is going to be kept under wraps just because you feel that we are justified to do it.
We are NOT justified to torture or abuse these Iraqi's because we were attacked by terrorists. That is how a lot of people see it, and that's why it's gotten so much exposure.
As for why you see no media outcry about us getting attacked by terrorists, and the further death count we are taking in Iraq...well, you must be f*****g BLIND. We are fighting the war on terrorism every f*****g day, we're all contributing to it. It's on the news 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and every single American death is documented, reported on, and broadcasted in one way or another.
The outcry comes to each and every one of us that even remotely care about what's going on in the world around our own little territorial bubbles. When our contractors were burned and dragged through the streets, there was media outcry. Whenever any of the countless torturous murders happened to our American soldiers in Iraq, they were accounted for by media coverage.
Try reading a little more. There are news sources besides the ones you are currently listening/reading to.
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Syke
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:13 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | "show this to your liberal friends"
hahahaha
That was funny.
What the f**k is that supposed to convey, liberals need to feel responsible? Liberals need to be on board with the war in Iraq? Liberals need to be ashamed for not enjoying a good picture with a prisoner of war in a dog collar?
What a joke. Some sheep programmed with the "liberal finger pointing", limited vocabulary b******t, thinking he's got a valid point or agenda, got a set of pictures that has been around for years and tries to slap on some idiotic propaganda message?
HAAHAHAHAHA
What a dolt.
Wtg, that’s got to be the sadist case ever made for just about anything ever. |
How about...why are liberals making a huge issue about this when they ignored Iraqis burning American civilians? |
THEY IGNORED IT? REALLY? WHERE?
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:28 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | "show this to your liberal friends"
hahahaha
That was funny.
What the f**k is that supposed to convey, liberals need to feel responsible? Liberals need to be on board with the war in Iraq? Liberals need to be ashamed for not enjoying a good picture with a prisoner of war in a dog collar?
What a joke. Some sheep programmed with the "liberal finger pointing", limited vocabulary b******t, thinking he's got a valid point or agenda, got a set of pictures that has been around for years and tries to slap on some idiotic propaganda message?
HAAHAHAHAHA
What a dolt.
Wtg, that’s got to be the sadist case ever made for just about anything ever. |
How about...why are liberals making a huge issue about this when they ignored Iraqis burning American civilians? |
THEY IGNORED IT? REALLY? WHERE? |
Exactly.
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Syke
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:31 Post subject:
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"Poor Leadership Blamed for Abuse at U.S. Prison in Iraq"
- An Army report points to the military intelligence pressure and a lack of proper oversight. -
WASHINGTON - Overcrowded cellblocks, sadistic guards abusing and humiliating prisoners, inmates shot dead trying to escape down dark alleys, and detainees being spirited around the prison compound to avoid Red Cross workers. All this happened as guards made up their own rules and superiors condoned their actions. This was not Saddam Hussein's gulag but a devastating portrait of the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad described by a U.S. Army investigator.
The abuses occurred last year, after the U.S. military took over Hussein's old prison and filled it with more than 5,000 people - some insurgents, many common criminals, others innocent of any crimes. What emerges from an internal Army investigation into the abuses at Abu Ghraib, a 260 acre complex 20 miles west of the capital, is a prison that was out of control. The investigation showed that there were too many inmates and not enough guards. Training was inadequate and superiors rarely made rounds. The U.S. guards' morale was flattened when their hopes of returning home soon were disappointed.
Officers lost track of inmates. Escapes went unrecorded. Top commanders could not agree on who should run the cellblocks - military police or military intelligence. In this general breakdown, some soldiers sank to "blatant and wanton criminal abuses" of detainees. The worst of the abuses have been reported over the past week, with the revelatioin of graphic and **** explicit photographs of some of the incidents. Those abuses occurred, according to the March investigative report written by Army Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, in the area of the prison where inmates suspected of terrist activities were interrogated.
But Taguba's report found that underlying the most horrific abuses was a prison in which mismanagement and unprofessional behavior had become routine.
The classified report, which was not intended for public disemination, revealed a prison system so insecure that more than 27 prisoners escaped or tried to in less than a year. It was so casually managed that civilian contractors wandered around without supervision and U.S. soldiers consistently failed to fulfill even the basic duty of counting the prisoners in their charge.
Joe Stork, Washington director for the Middle East division of Human Rights Watch, said the group expressed "horror" at the findings, declaring that they would be harmful to U.S. foreign relations.
(and you wonder why there is a huge outcry about this?)
Stork said "investigations are needed in all places" where Americans detain others, especially involving the U.S.-declared war on terrorism. The group noted that President Bush had pledged less than a year ago to renounce the use of torture and abuse in Iraq.
(still wondering?)
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Banzai
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:32 Post subject:
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I'm pretty sure everyone caught the American burning/hanging. "Liberals" included.
And don't qoute me but I'd bet at least 75% of them heard something about the world trade center.
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Syke
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:35 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | "show this to your liberal friends"
hahahaha
That was funny.
What the f**k is that supposed to convey, liberals need to feel responsible? Liberals need to be on board with the war in Iraq? Liberals need to be ashamed for not enjoying a good picture with a prisoner of war in a dog collar?
What a joke. Some sheep programmed with the "liberal finger pointing", limited vocabulary b******t, thinking he's got a valid point or agenda, got a set of pictures that has been around for years and tries to slap on some idiotic propaganda message?
HAAHAHAHAHA
What a dolt.
Wtg, that’s got to be the sadist case ever made for just about anything ever. |
How about...why are liberals making a huge issue about this when they ignored Iraqis burning American civilians? |
THEY IGNORED IT? REALLY? WHERE? |
Exactly. |
Dude, you must be confused. If I'm making an interrogative statement about the blatant disregard for what happened to American soldiers in Iraq, and asking where the disregard took place, then you saying "exactly" only means that you agree with me that it wasn't ignored.
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Banzai
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:50 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | "show this to your liberal friends"
hahahaha
That was funny.
What the f**k is that supposed to convey, liberals need to feel responsible? Liberals need to be on board with the war in Iraq? Liberals need to be ashamed for not enjoying a good picture with a prisoner of war in a dog collar?
What a joke. Some sheep programmed with the "liberal finger pointing", limited vocabulary b******t, thinking he's got a valid point or agenda, got a set of pictures that has been around for years and tries to slap on some idiotic propaganda message?
HAAHAHAHAHA
What a dolt.
Wtg, that’s got to be the sadist case ever made for just about anything ever. |
How about...why are liberals making a huge issue about this when they ignored Iraqis burning American civilians? |
THEY IGNORED IT? REALLY? WHERE? |
Exactly. |
Dude, you must be confused. If I'm making an interrogative statement about the blatant disregard for what happened to American soldiers in Iraq, and asking where the disregard took place, then you saying "exactly" only means that you agree with me that it wasn't ignored. |
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:53 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Banzai wrote: | "show this to your liberal friends"
hahahaha
That was funny.
What the f**k is that supposed to convey, liberals need to feel responsible? Liberals need to be on board with the war in Iraq? Liberals need to be ashamed for not enjoying a good picture with a prisoner of war in a dog collar?
What a joke. Some sheep programmed with the "liberal finger pointing", limited vocabulary b******t, thinking he's got a valid point or agenda, got a set of pictures that has been around for years and tries to slap on some idiotic propaganda message?
HAAHAHAHAHA
What a dolt.
Wtg, that’s got to be the sadist case ever made for just about anything ever. |
How about...why are liberals making a huge issue about this when they ignored Iraqis burning American civilians? |
THEY IGNORED IT? REALLY? WHERE? |
Exactly. |
Dude, you must be confused. If I'm making an interrogative statement about the blatant disregard for what happened to American soldiers in Iraq, and asking where the disregard took place, then you saying "exactly" only means that you agree with me that it wasn't ignored. |
You are very confused. They were civilians.
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Syke
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:54 Post subject:
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Excuse me...Civilians.
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Confused
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:55 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Excuse me...Civilians. |
I wonder why you know so surprisingly little about the event. Surely it wasn't for lack of coverage.
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Syke
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 17:58 Post subject:
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I actually made a mistake, it wasn't me not knowing what was going on.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 18:04 Post subject:
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What's the connection between the world trade center and Iraq again?
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Syke
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 18:07 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | What's the connection between the world trade center and Iraq again? |
That whole.."terrorist network thing" I think..The terrorists attacked us, we thought Saddam was going to attack us too, because he's a crazy arab, therefore we bombed Iraq.
I think that's how it works...*shrug*
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 18:41 Post subject:
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my a*****e is irritated by terrorism...
cencoring news is not in fact NEW at all... thanks for the pics, new backrounds in the making.
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Bait Masterson
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Syke
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 19:01 Post subject:
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| Bait Masterson wrote: | | http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?postid=813165#post813165 |
We are persecuting them. The people that we find involved with killing any American will be killed or taken into custody.
That's about the best we can do right? The Iraqis cannot even persecute their own mishaps because they have no one to do it at this point. Well, besides us, and I can assure you the people out there are doing their best to get the bastards.
They have no infrastructure whatsoever, so how the hell are those people going to be punished? How are they even going to be found?
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Zapper
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 21:48 Post subject:
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Who is eric the red? he's owning in that thread
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Dril
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 22:01 Post subject:
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I glanced at the pictures for a second and then went back and looked again. I can't imagine what it would have been like. Their family, friends, co-workers having to make the ultimate decision. It gives me a headache even thinking of that decision and it only makes me respect the people who put their lives on the line everyday even more. I hope those people that were killed in WTC find their loved ones in the afterlife.
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Pankrat
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Posted: 05/07/04 - 22:17 Post subject:
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I believe Eric the Red is our very own Bait Masterson.
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Posted: 05/08/04 - 01:02 Post subject:
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keep it goin bait, give em hell! 
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