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Akronn
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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| Frax wrote: | | What 'fabricated' evidence did he present? You know nothing about the CIA or military intelligence. I don't know a lot, but I have worked with the people who analyze this type of information on a daily basis, and they do take their jobs very seriously. When WMD are found in Iraq, what will your response be? |
You seem to be forgetting the documents Powell presented that purportedly showed Iraqi officials shopping for uranium in Africa two years ago. They were deemed not authentic even by US officials after the UN questioned them. This has all been admitted, and it was quite humorous. We maintain the position that these documents weren't fabricated by us, but that makes little difference. It was still a foolish attempt.
And to answer wnws's question: no, my 'friends' wouldn't be a representative sample. I never used the word 'friends' nor would I pass that group off as a fair representation. People I know? Yeah that's closer. Consider this: would you play cards with every person you know? 
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Akronn
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Posted: 03/24/03 - 14:18 Post subject:
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| Bobthy wrote: | Frax, when WMD are used/found in Iraq it will all just be a conspiracy set in place by the US government to validate its actions.
See? See? Can't you see? It's all so very obvious! Right, Akronn? |
The gov't is already validating its actions by calling this war 'Operation Iraqi Freedom.' It matters not if we find WMD because as long as Iraq is free of Hussein, mission accomplished
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Zonk
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Joined: 02 Jan 2003
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Posted: 03/24/03 - 14:24 Post subject:
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It might be months or years before we find the weapons of Mass Destruction they have hidden (they dont take up alot of space and can be hiden easily) Plus i dont think that was a Barbie Doll Factory with Barbed Wire Fences and Machine guns in the middle of the dessert.
Dont be suprised if Saddam uses the weapons in a final attempt at the end of this conflict against us though. He still has stuff up hes sleeve.
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WheresNWS
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Joined: 19 Nov 2002
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Posted: 03/24/03 - 15:26 Post subject:
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| Akronn wrote: | | Frax wrote: | | What 'fabricated' evidence did he present? You know nothing about the CIA or military intelligence. I don't know a lot, but I have worked with the people who analyze this type of information on a daily basis, and they do take their jobs very seriously. When WMD are found in Iraq, what will your response be? |
You seem to be forgetting the documents Powell presented that purportedly showed Iraqi officials shopping for uranium in Africa two years ago. They were deemed not authentic even by US officials after the UN questioned them. This has all been admitted, and it was quite humorous. We maintain the position that these documents weren't fabricated by us, but that makes little difference. It was still a foolish attempt.
And to answer wnws's question: no, my 'friends' wouldn't be a representative sample. I never used the word 'friends' nor would I pass that group off as a fair representation. People I know? Yeah that's closer. Consider this: would you play cards with every person you know? ;) |
I figured they would be friends, given I don't know the details of my lesser acquaintances' political beliefs. Even the small circle of people you wouldn't play cards with does not constitute a valid slice of the American pie. Consider what Michael Moore's acquaintances are like.
Also, the documents in question were deemed unauthentic after the fact by US analysts. That does not imply that Colin Powell was intentionally misleading the UN or that the documents (which were apparently forged and supplied by another nation...a fact left out of the NY Times article reporting it) were known to be forgeries at the time by him or by any other US official. You're misrepresenting the situation by implying that Colin Powell was trying to pull a fast one on the UN. Although I personally wouldn't even care if they did, considering Russia and France try their best to conceal their oil and military contracts with Saddam.
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Xthos
Can't Stop Posting
Joined: 09 Nov 2002
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Posted: 03/24/03 - 17:53 Post subject:
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He can speak his mind, but he should learn what fictitious means. Bush IS President, WON the election according to the constitution, and is in Iraq to kick Saddam's ass outta there.
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Nobunaga
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 03/24/03 - 18:20 Post subject:
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Although I've enjoyed Michael Moore's movies such as Roger & me etc. in the past, it's curious that a political satire would be considered a documentary. This is America and he has every right to say what he did but it's also the right of critics (such as myself) to say he did so in bad taste. An awards show is not the proper forum to convey ones ideals especially in such an unabashed manner where no one is able to respond to them for the most part other than to jeer him. If you want to debate poltics, go to a debate or a public forum that is designed for it. I actually commend most of the presenters and recipients for holding back like Barbara Streisand even though they could've made a mockery of the awards ceremony like Moore did with their political rhetoric..
I especially enjoyed Adrian Brody's moving speech where he made reference to God and Allah and hoping for a quick resolution. He also made a good move by getting some tongue off Halle!
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Bob Dole
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Posted: 03/24/03 - 23:21 Post subject:
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Michael Moore is very crude young man. In his previous novel, Downsize This, he suggested to Bob Dole that "he replace the pen with which he keeps his disabled right hand from closing in on itself with something more appropriate, such as a coathanger to symbolize his views on abortion."
Bob Dole still hasn't forgiven him for that.
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compusmack
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Posted: 03/24/03 - 23:56 Post subject:
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But bob, you gave that woman explicit instructions!!!
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Haroun Zehra
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 07:30 Post subject:
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| scoresia wrote: | | I am glad most of the people boo'd. |
Actually, only a few people boo'd. No one clapped. Most people just sat there.
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 07:32 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | One of the VPs at my company has a bet that Colin Powell will kill himself before all this is over. His feeling is that Powell's public statements have shown such a transformation in the last two years that it indicates he's being heavily pressured to say and do things he doesn't believe in, and eventually as a man of honor he won't be able to take it any more.
Probably won't happen, but it's an interesting long shot. |
That's very interesting. A lot of people I know are also wondering why Powell seems to have reversed himself publically lately. While I doubt he'd kill himself, he does seem to have become a tool.
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WheresNWS
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Posted: 03/25/03 - 10:54 Post subject:
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| Haroun Zehra wrote: | | sinrakin wrote: | One of the VPs at my company has a bet that Colin Powell will kill himself before all this is over. His feeling is that Powell's public statements have shown such a transformation in the last two years that it indicates he's being heavily pressured to say and do things he doesn't believe in, and eventually as a man of honor he won't be able to take it any more.
Probably won't happen, but it's an interesting long shot. |
That's very interesting. A lot of people I know are also wondering why Powell seems to have reversed himself publically lately. While I doubt he'd kill himself, he does seem to have become a tool. |
I think it was interesting that Powell was forced to deal with the UN, with which he encouraged cooperation. I think his position changed after be exasperated by them. Probably changed his whole opinion on the international "community".
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