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Brash
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pot is more dangerous because the negative effects are hard to notice because they happen so slow.
really demotivates you from doing anything . years pass and one day you find yourself 30 years old and you have a shit job and all you do is play playstation and smoke week . real danger with pot is not that "something" bad happens to you its that "nothing" happens to you.
other danger is it normally takes something really bad to happen to make someone quit any addiction , this never happens with pot so if you make it out of your teens and still smoke pot you may smoke it the rest of your life. with alcoholics something severe always happens sooner or later and sends up red flags to yourself or your friends that you have a problem and need to quit.
plus you can use any study you want and say that pot doesnt hurt your mind and cognitive reasoning/thinking skills but i grew up with tons of people who smoke pot and it is plain as day to see how eventually it catches up with them and their thinking skills get slower and slower ... id say half of them recover about 4 years after they completely quit smoking pot but some are just kinda stupid the rest of their lives.
while the short term effects of booze are much more dangerous i would argue the long term effects pot has on your life are worse.
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Brash
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 01:32 Post subject:
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Paco
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 02:10 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | pot is more dangerous because the negative effects are hard to notice because they happen so slow.
really demotivates you from doing anything . years pass and one day you find yourself 30 years old and you have a shit job and all you do is play playstation and smoke week . real danger with pot is not that "something" bad happens to you its that "nothing" happens to you.
other danger is it normally takes something really bad to happen to make someone quit any addiction , this never happens with pot so if you make it out of your teens and still smoke pot you may smoke it the rest of your life. with alcoholics something severe always happens sooner or later and sends up red flags to yourself or your friends that you have a problem and need to quit.
plus you can use any study you want and say that pot doesnt hurt your mind and cognitive reasoning/thinking skills but i grew up with tons of people who smoke pot and it is plain as day to see how eventually it catches up with them and their thinking skills get slower and slower ... id say half of them recover about 4 years after they completely quit smoking pot but some are just kinda stupid the rest of their lives.
while the short term effects of booze are much more dangerous i would argue the long term effects pot has on your life are worse. |
I disagree about the demotivation. If you're a worthless piece of shit, you'll always be a worthless piece of shit. If you are a weak minded fool, you'll always be a weak minded fool as long as you allow yourself to be a weak minded fool.
This may be your experience with weed, but it is far from a complete picture. Like any drug, it can be abused. How you let something affect you is entirely up to you.
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Brash
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 03:08 Post subject:
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seriously ? you are going to argue this point ? i don't think you can even fight this and keep a strait face ? pot DOES makes people lazy and demotivates them from doing anything productive.
keep in mind i am not talking about you and how it may have effected you. i am talking about the majority of adult pot smokers.
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Fabulez
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 05:22 Post subject:
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| Brash wrote: | pot is more dangerous because the negative effects are hard to notice because they happen so slow.
really demotivates you from doing anything . years pass and one day you find yourself 30 years old and you have a shit job and all you do is play playstation and smoke week . real danger with pot is not that "something" bad happens to you its that "nothing" happens to you. |
Shouldn't you make playstation illegal then?
The state should not put you in jail for being lazy. Being lazy has its own punishments (no money, no respect).
Have you thought about the unique law enforcement ramifications of drugs being illegal? Most crimes, you have a complainant. Someone says "Joe robbed me" or "Bobby beat me up" or "Jean stabbed me with a knife." The anti-drug laws turn consensual behavior into criminal behavior...no one complains, but you have a crime by fiat. You now have to convict someone when there isn't anyone who's been wronged accusing them of anything. This requires new law enforcement tactics like expanded surveillance, stings, disproportionate sentencing, asset forfeiture, entrapment, coercion, etc. Civil liberty becomes a major inconvenience to enforcing the law.
The job of the police is much easier in a police state.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 06:45 Post subject:
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That's not really unique to drugs, Fabulez. You could say the same thing for prostitution and, arguably, for gambling as well.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 08:19 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Scrab, do you feel that alcohol should be legal? Or do you think it should be illegal as well? How can you draw the line between pot and alcohol... If you think pot should remain illegal, then you put everyone under the impression that you are against people that drink and alcohol being legal in this country.
The reason we get this impression is because alcohol is a far more dangerous a substance than THC, not just to the people using it, but to everyone around the people that use it. You can't overdose on THC by smoking it and it doesn't make anyone hostile, and it doesnt really demolish your motor skills...so how could you say that you wish it to be illegal and not mention anything about alcohol being legal? Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical to rule out one substance which is far more dangerous, over one that isn't? |
Nope |
Care to comment on that? Maybe explain your feelings on these substances and the reasoning why you find that its ok to let a more dangerous drug be legal while the other is illegal? |
Well alcohol isn't harmful in moderation; it's good for you actualy.Smoking any ammount of pot is bad for you though. I don't care if it's legalized or not..it could be a great source of tax $$. It's illegal right now though so don't do it if you don't want jail time. |
You just said "I think it shouldn't be legal".
Further proof that you are like 90% of 17 year olds, you don't know what the f**k you think or believe, you just repeat other peoples opinions. |
I don't think it should be..but I don't really care either way. It's not a big deal.
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Brash
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 11:00 Post subject:
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Brash wrote: | pot is more dangerous because the negative effects are hard to notice because they happen so slow.
really demotivates you from doing anything . years pass and one day you find yourself 30 years old and you have a shit job and all you do is play playstation and smoke week . real danger with pot is not that "something" bad happens to you its that "nothing" happens to you. |
Shouldn't you make playstation illegal then?
The state should not put you in jail for being lazy. Being lazy has its own punishments (no money, no respect).
Have you thought about the unique law enforcement ramifications of drugs being illegal? Most crimes, you have a complainant. Someone says "Joe robbed me" or "Bobby beat me up" or "Jean stabbed me with a knife." The anti-drug laws turn consensual behavior into criminal behavior...no one complains, but you have a crime by fiat. You now have to convict someone when there isn't anyone who's been wronged accusing them of anything. This requires new law enforcement tactics like expanded surveillance, stings, disproportionate sentencing, asset forfeiture, entrapment, coercion, etc. Civil liberty becomes a major inconvenience to enforcing the law.
The job of the police is much easier in a police state. |
first off i think it should be legal ,you would know that if ya read my posts.
its the pot that makes ya play the station , not the station that makes ya smoke the pot : )
and hes right you can agrue that point with alot of addictions and there are a few scenarios like when a drug dealer hands out free crack at a middle school to get them hooked where i would say there is a victim here .
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lotek
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 12:41 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | From my experience, pot f***s with me bad. While it doesn't impair my driving ability as much as alcohol, I'm definately impaired. Sometimes by just laughing my ass off.
I wouldn't be against making it legal for private use if the government could regulate sale like they do alcohol. Required age, certain times you can buy, certain places for different strengths (like a state liqour store) and if authorities could test someone for it right on the spot of they are pulled over and suspected of being under the influence. I'm probably wrong since I'm not a big weed guy, but I don't think there's an accurate and financially justifiable way they can do that, without holding someone by the side of the road for a couple hours.
Unfortunately any idiot seemingly can grow their own, and with different strains (I think that's what it is?) and such you're not really getting a set strength like alcohol (40, 80, 100 proof) that is readily apparent. So regulating the sale and distribution of it is damn near impossible. So IMO, keep it illegal.
But yeah, some of the penalties for these drug offenses do not fit the crime when you look at penalties for rape, murder, theft and such. |
any idiot can distill alcohol and the quality is quite variable. Its the legal nature of alcohol that allows quality control and regulation.
with legalization, pot growing would be reduced to around the same number of people that brew their own beer in favor of buying commercial products for their consistancy and quality.
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Brash
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 13:37 Post subject:
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| lotek wrote: | | Manuva wrote: | From my experience, pot f***s with me bad. While it doesn't impair my driving ability as much as alcohol, I'm definately impaired. Sometimes by just laughing my ass off.
I wouldn't be against making it legal for private use if the government could regulate sale like they do alcohol. Required age, certain times you can buy, certain places for different strengths (like a state liqour store) and if authorities could test someone for it right on the spot of they are pulled over and suspected of being under the influence. I'm probably wrong since I'm not a big weed guy, but I don't think there's an accurate and financially justifiable way they can do that, without holding someone by the side of the road for a couple hours.
Unfortunately any idiot seemingly can grow their own, and with different strains (I think that's what it is?) and such you're not really getting a set strength like alcohol (40, 80, 100 proof) that is readily apparent. So regulating the sale and distribution of it is damn near impossible. So IMO, keep it illegal.
But yeah, some of the penalties for these drug offenses do not fit the crime when you look at penalties for rape, murder, theft and such. |
any idiot can distill alcohol and the quality is quite variable. Its the legal nature of alcohol that allows quality control and regulation.
with legalization, pot growing would be reduced to around the same number of people that brew their own beer in favor of buying commercial products for their consistancy and quality. |
this is true. i think you would be surprised at the enormous amount of pesticides you smoke with allot of the weed out there.
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Fabulez
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 13:59 Post subject:
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| Nuldaan wrote: | | That's not really unique to drugs, Fabulez. You could say the same thing for prostitution and, arguably, for gambling as well. |
True. And actually a lot of our current police state tactics (wiretapping, financial investigation, etc) got their start from attempts to take down organized crime figures involved in gambling and prostitution (and alcohol during prohibition).
But the War on Drugs massively increased the scale.
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Ikkan
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Posted: 01/14/05 - 14:48 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Scrab, do you feel that alcohol should be legal? Or do you think it should be illegal as well? How can you draw the line between pot and alcohol... If you think pot should remain illegal, then you put everyone under the impression that you are against people that drink and alcohol being legal in this country.
The reason we get this impression is because alcohol is a far more dangerous a substance than THC, not just to the people using it, but to everyone around the people that use it. You can't overdose on THC by smoking it and it doesn't make anyone hostile, and it doesnt really demolish your motor skills...so how could you say that you wish it to be illegal and not mention anything about alcohol being legal? Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical to rule out one substance which is far more dangerous, over one that isn't? |
Nope |
Care to comment on that? Maybe explain your feelings on these substances and the reasoning why you find that its ok to let a more dangerous drug be legal while the other is illegal? |
Well alcohol isn't harmful in moderation; it's good for you actualy.Smoking any ammount of pot is bad for you though. I don't care if it's legalized or not..it could be a great source of tax $$. It's illegal right now though so don't do it if you don't want jail time. |
You just said "I think it shouldn't be legal".
Further proof that you are like 90% of 17 year olds, you don't know what the f**k you think or believe, you just repeat other peoples opinions. |
I'm in that 10%!
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Qaldyin
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Brash, you idiot, not all pot is grown outdoors. How are you gonna grow pot outdoors in Canada? Between August and November it gets really cold.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 01/15/05 - 07:55 Post subject:
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Nuldaan wrote: | | That's not really unique to drugs, Fabulez. You could say the same thing for prostitution and, arguably, for gambling as well. |
True. And actually a lot of our current police state tactics (wiretapping, financial investigation, etc) got their start from attempts to take down organized crime figures involved in gambling and prostitution (and alcohol during prohibition).
But the War on Drugs massively increased the scale. |
Actually, I think technology and the amount of information that technology allows us to store and process increased the scale. During Prohibition, they simply didn't have the resources to sift through the vast amount of information we have today. It's misleading to blame it on the 'War on Drugs' when it is simply the inevitable outgrowth of living in 'the Information Age'.
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Brash
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Posted: 01/15/05 - 14:27 Post subject:
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| Qaldyin wrote: | | Brash, you idiot, not all pot is grown outdoors. How are you gonna grow pot outdoors in Canada? Between August and November it gets really cold. |
ummmm ya grow it in the summer like every other crop you would grow in canada ??????
you have any idea how much pot comes here from Mexico or even outdoor fields from within the US or canada? or even more to the point, what makes it different that any other crop ,where ya grow enough in the summer to fill the needs of the whole year ? id wager that the outdoor to indoor ratio is at least 10 to 1
even more to the point , just because you grow it indoors doesn't make it somehow magically immune to bug infestations ....people who grow pot for a living sure as shit don't give a crap about you and your long term health and if if bugs are threatening their extremely expensive crop/paycheck they are going to spray them with pesticides ... They may even routinely spray as a preventative measure , depending on the grower. ...
think before ya type man . really , what would prompt you to say something that stupid ?
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