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lauren000
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 Posted: 01/12/05 - 18:34 Post subject: Mandatory Minimum Sentencing is out
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Thankgod, sorry Reagan.
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Posted: 01/12/05 - 18:45 Post subject:
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What?
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lauren000
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 01:00 Post subject:
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mandatory minimum sentencing forced a federal judge to sentence a convict to a mandatory sentence without the possibility of parole. Basically you had people caught with 5 grams of crack going to federal prison for 10 years without the possibility of parole, while a rapist who rapes three women gets 9 years and the possibility of parole in state prison. They were f****d up sentencing mandates that took sentencing out of a judge's hands and were primarily used to punish drug related offenses more severely than murder. There is a shitload of evidence as well that racial bias affected whether a person would be tried federally (and hence end up getting 25 years w/o parole) or be tried on the state level and get 10 years w/ possibility of parole. The law was implimented while Reagan was in office, because he wanted to look "tough" on drugs. Get the idea?
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Manuva
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Drugs are the catalyst to rapists and murderers.
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lauren000
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 01:38 Post subject:
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Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 07:42 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
Yeah, how dare they jail you for breaking the law. Those bastards!
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Paco
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 08:30 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
I agree with this statement.
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Brash
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 12:39 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
I agree with this statement. |
utter b******t that they spend billions of tax dollars trying to keep pot of of the country and billions more imprisoning and probation for the ones that you do catch when you could make billions taxing it.
ideal situation to me would to be to make it legal and tax the shit out of it . then word the law so you can only smoke the shit at home . if caught outside doing it there will be no jail time imposed or probation but there is a $2,000 fine. last thing i want to see is a bunch of pot heads smokeing weed everywhere i look.
on a side note I personally think that drug related prison terms have got way out of hand . They raised them extremely high to deter people from selling drugs, the problem is it didn’t work. People who aren't scared of spending 5 years of thier lives in jail aren’t scared of 20 years either. Now the prisons are just filled with drug related offences and we are letting the real criminals out early. People who car jack, rape your daughter or sister , break into your house , rob the burger king at gun point … these are the real dangers to society not some guy who sells crack to a bunch of people who want to buy crack …..
More to the point its an ineffective use of our resources. There simply is way to much money to be made in the drug trade , you can bust every drug dealer in the whole county tonight and in a month everyone of them will be replaced. One is always waiting in the shadows fill their spot … Long as there is a demand there will be someone willing to supply it. Id like to see these resources spent on drug rehab or treatment and do something about the demand end , that is the only place that will make a difference.
I do realize that the drug dealers are often the same people who are doing the other more violent crimes but this is precisely why we don’t need mandatory minimums. Leave it in the hands of the judge. They can tell the difference between some guys who buy a big bag of coke to have a fun weekend and someone whose house is filled with coke, guns and stolen merchandise.
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Paco
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 12:51 Post subject:
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things would change, as far as how you'd encounter the weed if it were legal
it's not often you see f*****s drinking in public, it'd be the same thing..people would do it at home or in maybe cafes like the Dam. We really wouldn't know until the day came...
but..if you haven't been to cali..just walk around. weed is smoked in public areas pretty often now..not in restaraunts and such..just out in the trails and such
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Brash
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 13:30 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | things would change, as far as how you'd encounter the weed if it were legal
it's not often you see f*****s drinking in public, it'd be the same thing..people would do it at home or in maybe cafes like the Dam. We really wouldn't know until the day came...
but..if you haven't been to cali..just walk around. weed is smoked in public areas pretty often now..not in restaraunts and such..just out in the trails and such |
i think if it were legal you would see people smokeing it everywhere in parks and shit . the last thing in the world id want is the US to be like amsterdam , its a nice place to visit but i sure as shit wouldnt want to live there .......
if someone wants to smoke pot in their own home then i sure as shit don't give a f**k and i cretianly dont want to see my tax dollars wasted on trying to arrest them for it. I just dont want to see it all over the place , thats why id like to see a fine large enough to deter someone from smoking it in public parks and restuarants.if it is large enough it will promote police to enforce it also . i understand that some people like to smoke it outside or in the woods and shit , well thats fine . go somewhere where other people wont see you and then you wont get caught . if i can't see it you are not effecting my life so feel free to do what ya like. if ya do get caught its your own fault , ya didnt go somewhere secluded enough .
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Paco
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 14:16 Post subject:
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I'd smoke it in my house. Unlike the c*********g fuckhead whiny b*****s who smoke cigs crying about how they can't smoke anywhere...welcome to my world, now STFU.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 15:47 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
I agree with this statement. |
Amazing, I do as well. Even though I myself do not and would not smoke pot, legalizing it would be a good idea for fiscal reasons =)
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Rennol
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 17:25 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
Yeah, how dare they jail you for breaking the law. Those bastards! |
Yeah, you should get locked up for the rest of your life for doing something that hurts nobody.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 18:20 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
Yeah, how dare they jail you for breaking the law. Those bastards! |
Yeah, you should get locked up for the rest of your life for doing something that hurts nobody. |
Don't break the law and you won't have to worry about it.
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quotison
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 18:23 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
Yeah, how dare they jail you for breaking the law. Those bastards! |
Yeah, you should get locked up for the rest of your life for doing something that hurts nobody. |
Don't break the law and you won't have to worry about it. |
Or change the law. That's why Jack Crow used that big complicated word 'legalize'.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 18:37 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
Yeah, how dare they jail you for breaking the law. Those bastards! |
Yeah, you should get locked up for the rest of your life for doing something that hurts nobody. |
Don't break the law and you won't have to worry about it. |
Or change the law. That's why Jack Crow used that big complicated word 'legalize'. |
I think it shouldn't be legal so..don't break the law.
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 18:43 Post subject:
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Scrab youre a sixteen year old kid too...
No offense but at this time you dont have enough sense to pour p**s out of a boot.
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Syke
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Scrab, do you feel that alcohol should be legal? Or do you think it should be illegal as well? How can you draw the line between pot and alcohol... If you think pot should remain illegal, then you put everyone under the impression that you are against people that drink and alcohol being legal in this country.
The reason we get this impression is because alcohol is a far more dangerous a substance than THC, not just to the people using it, but to everyone around the people that use it. You can't overdose on THC by smoking it and it doesn't make anyone hostile, and it doesnt really demolish your motor skills...so how could you say that you wish it to be illegal and not mention anything about alcohol being legal? Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical to rule out one substance which is far more dangerous, over one that isn't?
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 19:44 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | Scrab, do you feel that alcohol should be legal? Or do you think it should be illegal as well? How can you draw the line between pot and alcohol... If you think pot should remain illegal, then you put everyone under the impression that you are against people that drink and alcohol being legal in this country.
The reason we get this impression is because alcohol is a far more dangerous a substance than THC, not just to the people using it, but to everyone around the people that use it. You can't overdose on THC by smoking it and it doesn't make anyone hostile, and it doesnt really demolish your motor skills...so how could you say that you wish it to be illegal and not mention anything about alcohol being legal? Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical to rule out one substance which is far more dangerous, over one that isn't? |
Nope
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Syke
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 20:32 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Scrab, do you feel that alcohol should be legal? Or do you think it should be illegal as well? How can you draw the line between pot and alcohol... If you think pot should remain illegal, then you put everyone under the impression that you are against people that drink and alcohol being legal in this country.
The reason we get this impression is because alcohol is a far more dangerous a substance than THC, not just to the people using it, but to everyone around the people that use it. You can't overdose on THC by smoking it and it doesn't make anyone hostile, and it doesnt really demolish your motor skills...so how could you say that you wish it to be illegal and not mention anything about alcohol being legal? Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical to rule out one substance which is far more dangerous, over one that isn't? |
Nope |
Care to comment on that? Maybe explain your feelings on these substances and the reasoning why you find that its ok to let a more dangerous drug be legal while the other is illegal?
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 20:47 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | quotison wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
Yeah, how dare they jail you for breaking the law. Those bastards! |
Yeah, you should get locked up for the rest of your life for doing something that hurts nobody. |
Don't break the law and you won't have to worry about it. |
Or change the law. That's why Jack Crow used that big complicated word 'legalize'. |
I think it shouldn't be legal so..don't break the law. |
You can't even vote yet, so what you say means absolutely SHIT.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 20:50 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Scrab, do you feel that alcohol should be legal? Or do you think it should be illegal as well? How can you draw the line between pot and alcohol... If you think pot should remain illegal, then you put everyone under the impression that you are against people that drink and alcohol being legal in this country.
The reason we get this impression is because alcohol is a far more dangerous a substance than THC, not just to the people using it, but to everyone around the people that use it. You can't overdose on THC by smoking it and it doesn't make anyone hostile, and it doesnt really demolish your motor skills...so how could you say that you wish it to be illegal and not mention anything about alcohol being legal? Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical to rule out one substance which is far more dangerous, over one that isn't? |
Nope |
Care to comment on that? Maybe explain your feelings on these substances and the reasoning why you find that its ok to let a more dangerous drug be legal while the other is illegal? |
Well alcohol isn't harmful in moderation; it's good for you actualy.Smoking any ammount of pot is bad for you though. I don't care if it's legalized or not..it could be a great source of tax $$. It's illegal right now though so don't do it if you don't want jail time.
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Jakanden
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 20:55 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Scrab, do you feel that alcohol should be legal? Or do you think it should be illegal as well? How can you draw the line between pot and alcohol... If you think pot should remain illegal, then you put everyone under the impression that you are against people that drink and alcohol being legal in this country.
The reason we get this impression is because alcohol is a far more dangerous a substance than THC, not just to the people using it, but to everyone around the people that use it. You can't overdose on THC by smoking it and it doesn't make anyone hostile, and it doesnt really demolish your motor skills...so how could you say that you wish it to be illegal and not mention anything about alcohol being legal? Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical to rule out one substance which is far more dangerous, over one that isn't? |
Nope |
Care to comment on that? Maybe explain your feelings on these substances and the reasoning why you find that its ok to let a more dangerous drug be legal while the other is illegal? |
Well alcohol isn't harmful in moderation; it's good for you actualy.Smoking any ammount of pot is bad for you though. I don't care if it's legalized or not..it could be a great source of tax $$. It's illegal right now though so don't do it if you don't want jail time. |
Alcohol may have health benefits in small amounts (No more than 2 5oz servings in a day) but to make a blanket statement of "Alcohol is good for you" is asanine. They are still researching this and while there is evidence to show that it has health benefits, there is also overwhelming evidence against it.
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Manuva
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 21:19 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Syke wrote: | Scrab, do you feel that alcohol should be legal? Or do you think it should be illegal as well? How can you draw the line between pot and alcohol... If you think pot should remain illegal, then you put everyone under the impression that you are against people that drink and alcohol being legal in this country.
The reason we get this impression is because alcohol is a far more dangerous a substance than THC, not just to the people using it, but to everyone around the people that use it. You can't overdose on THC by smoking it and it doesn't make anyone hostile, and it doesnt really demolish your motor skills...so how could you say that you wish it to be illegal and not mention anything about alcohol being legal? Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical to rule out one substance which is far more dangerous, over one that isn't? |
Nope |
Care to comment on that? Maybe explain your feelings on these substances and the reasoning why you find that its ok to let a more dangerous drug be legal while the other is illegal? |
Well alcohol isn't harmful in moderation; it's good for you actualy.Smoking any ammount of pot is bad for you though. I don't care if it's legalized or not..it could be a great source of tax $$. It's illegal right now though so don't do it if you don't want jail time. |
You just said "I think it shouldn't be legal".
Further proof that you are like 90% of 17 year olds, you don't know what the f**k you think or believe, you just repeat other peoples opinions.
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It truly amazes me that people think pot is so horrid.
Sure it has few health benefits (glaucoma and cancer patients using it) but it still has fewer risks than cigarettes or alcohol. Alcohol kills more people in this country than pot does. I'm not talking the morons who shoot each other because of the deals, I am talking about it's direct influence in the death of people.
In the state I live in kids have to pay out the ass for HS fees and shit, 9th grade was about 80 bucks for a semester, to the 300+ for a year for 12th grade). Having legalized marijuana that is regulated like alcohol would only benefit if applied correctly. Really there's little harm it could do... can someone give me a REAL problem that could exist if weed were legal? Not just people would smoke it everywhere, that's one of those "ehhh I can see it but it's not that bad" things.
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quotison
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 21:34 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | quotison wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
Yeah, how dare they jail you for breaking the law. Those bastards! |
Yeah, you should get locked up for the rest of your life for doing something that hurts nobody. |
Don't break the law and you won't have to worry about it. |
Or change the law. That's why Jack Crow used that big complicated word 'legalize'. |
I think it shouldn't be legal so..don't break the law. |
'Don't break the law or you'll go to jail' is not a relevant response to the argument 'I think so and so law should be changed'
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 21:36 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | quotison wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Hell they should legalize pot imo...40 years for growing it is utter b******t |
Yeah, how dare they jail you for breaking the law. Those bastards! |
Yeah, you should get locked up for the rest of your life for doing something that hurts nobody. |
Don't break the law and you won't have to worry about it. |
Or change the law. That's why Jack Crow used that big complicated word 'legalize'. |
I think it shouldn't be legal so..don't break the law. |
'Don't break the law or you'll go to jail' is not a relevant response to the argument 'I think so and so law should be changed' |
Yeah..it's not up to either of us so what we think doesn't matter. 
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Manuva
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From my experience, pot f***s with me bad. While it doesn't impair my driving ability as much as alcohol, I'm definately impaired. Sometimes by just laughing my ass off.
I wouldn't be against making it legal for private use if the government could regulate sale like they do alcohol. Required age, certain times you can buy, certain places for different strengths (like a state liqour store) and if authorities could test someone for it right on the spot of they are pulled over and suspected of being under the influence. I'm probably wrong since I'm not a big weed guy, but I don't think there's an accurate and financially justifiable way they can do that, without holding someone by the side of the road for a couple hours.
Unfortunately any idiot seemingly can grow their own, and with different strains (I think that's what it is?) and such you're not really getting a set strength like alcohol (40, 80, 100 proof) that is readily apparent. So regulating the sale and distribution of it is damn near impossible. So IMO, keep it illegal.
But yeah, some of the penalties for these drug offenses do not fit the crime when you look at penalties for rape, murder, theft and such.
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Posted: 01/13/05 - 22:24 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | From my experience, pot f***s with me bad. While it doesn't impair my driving ability as much as alcohol, I'm definately impaired. Sometimes by just laughing my ass off.
I wouldn't be against making it legal for private use if the government could regulate sale like they do alcohol. Required age, certain times you can buy, certain places for different strengths (like a state liqour store) and if authorities could test someone for it right on the spot of they are pulled over and suspected of being under the influence. I'm probably wrong since I'm not a big weed guy, but I don't think there's an accurate and financially justifiable way they can do that, without holding someone by the side of the road for a couple hours.
Unfortunately any idiot seemingly can grow their own, and with different strains (I think that's what it is?) and such you're not really getting a set strength like alcohol (40, 80, 100 proof) that is readily apparent. So regulating the sale and distribution of it is damn near impossible. So IMO, keep it illegal.
But yeah, some of the penalties for these drug offenses do not fit the crime when you look at penalties for rape, murder, theft and such. |
Gotta agree there..we need to let the rapists and light-fingers keep the junkies company.
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