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Maelstrom
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 Posted: 04/24/04 - 13:41 Post subject: MMORPGs only getting worse?
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If I look at Lineage 2, Horizons and FFXI.
It really looks like we wont be getting any good game anytime soon.
L2 sucks in so many ways that it's not even funny and it makes you wonder how can people be bored enough to play it.
I checked some % that mobs drop some nice loots...its goes from 1/100 to 1/1000 to even 1/10000 damn...1 in 10 000 chance of getting a nice loot which are not that great off a mob...how sick can this be.
the exp penalty is sick and worse you may lose your hard stuff like your sword etc...and what in hell are you suppose to do when you lose your sword? camp hours and hours to get another one..and so on...
dungeons are so f*****g full that you must jump on the first mob avaliable that it forgoten by others...
Quests always look the same...get a# number of that and get a reward.
Land all look the same... I could go on and on but you guys got it by now.
MMORPGs are not even about having fun now..it's all about forcing you to stay in their game because of the competition so they find every way they can to make you waste your time...
So why waste our precious hard gained money in theses games?
Even if many bash EQ I must admit that no current game even come to EQ's knee when it was released.
I'll watch EQ 2 and WoW but if these 2 don't clean up the mess of the others...I'll be more then happy to say good bye to MMORPG's.
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median
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 13:45 Post subject:
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There is somthing about everyone of your posts that I simply adore. Is it the French Canadian language barrier, or just your utmost concern for each topic you post about. Whatever it is, I can't put my finger on it.
Back to your original post on MMORPGS, which I beleived was a thoughtful, but summerized article. My stance has always been, that EQ is the god of the MMORPG's and always will be. So i agree with you on this.
EQ2 will be a test though , I dont know if new grafics and gameplay will really pry these hardcore EQ gamers to switch, they have been playing for years.
But I have also noticed a drastic decline in the ammount of players in EQ. Maybe its just me but when I go to certain zones, totally abandoned and cannot get a group.
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SmotheredHope
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 13:47 Post subject: Re: MMORPGs only getting worse?
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| Maelstrom wrote: |
Even if many bash EQ I must admit that no current game even come to EQ's knee when it was released.
I'll watch EQ 2 and WoW but if these 2 don't clean up the mess of the others...I'll be more then happy to say good bye to MMORPG's. |
I prefer daoc over EQ. Ever play?
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Maelstrom
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 14:15 Post subject: Re: MMORPGs only getting worse?
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| SmotheredHope wrote: | | Maelstrom wrote: |
Even if many bash EQ I must admit that no current game even come to EQ's knee when it was released.
I'll watch EQ 2 and WoW but if these 2 don't clean up the mess of the others...I'll be more then happy to say good bye to MMORPG's. |
I prefer daoc over EQ. Ever play? |
yes DAoC is a nice game. good balance of PVE and PVP and prob has the best PVP content so far.
But leveling alone is a pain i nthe butt...unless it changed..I never played any expension.
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Yanbik
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 16:33 Post subject:
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coh is pretty fun. No idea if it has that hold my attention for a year or 6 months to it. It can def hold my attention longer then when i tried to take up playing eq the last two times i did.
Wow will be the game everyone goes to. Every person with any sense in a good mmorpg will go to wow.
Blizzard is just going to have to be on the ball to keep rolling out new content to satisfy the masses.
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kireol
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 16:34 Post subject:
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W.O.W. = teh win
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wellspoken
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 16:52 Post subject:
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Daoc rox.
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 18:10 Post subject:
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Am I the only one here who absolutely won't waste one minute on another mmorpg?
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Docter
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 18:12 Post subject:
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Any of the newer games coming out are only going to be exp grinds...period.
/shrugs
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 18:14 Post subject:
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| Docter wrote: | Any of the newer games coming out are only going to be exp grinds...period.
/shrugs |
That's exactly what gets me. Never, ever will I work to level up a character again.
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Yanbik
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 18:38 Post subject:
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You cant play a mmorpg or any rpg for that matter w/ out leveling or advancing your character(s).
Its how these games work.
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kireol
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 19:14 Post subject:
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it's how almost all games work in 1 way or another
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Akronn
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 19:19 Post subject:
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I never played other rpgs, don't own even one. Everquest is the only one I've played (aside from DAoC for the free month).
The whole 'newess' of leveling was fun for a time, but I couldn't imagine doing it all over in another game. Just holds no interest for me. Truth be told, I'm not into computer/console games much at all lol.
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Paco
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 20:20 Post subject: Re: MMORPGs only getting worse?
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| Maelstrom wrote: | | So why waste our precious hard gained money in theses games? |
Why must we waste our time reading your grammatical butchery?
The only thing getting worse here is your grammar. MS Word, it really does have a grammar and spelling checker you know. Honest.
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Nuldaan
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 20:28 Post subject: Re: MMORPGs only getting worse?
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| Maelstrom wrote: | If I look at Lineage 2, Horizons and FFXI.
It really looks like we wont be getting any good game anytime soon.
L2 sucks in so many ways that it's not even funny and it makes you wonder how can people be bored enough to play it.
I checked some % that mobs drop some nice loots...its goes from 1/100 to 1/1000 to even 1/10000 damn...1 in 10 000 chance of getting a nice loot which are not that great off a mob...how sick can this be.
the exp penalty is sick and worse you may lose your hard stuff like your sword etc...and what in hell are you suppose to do when you lose your sword? camp hours and hours to get another one..and so on...
dungeons are so f*****g full that you must jump on the first mob avaliable that it forgoten by others...
Quests always look the same...get a# number of that and get a reward.
Land all look the same... I could go on and on but you guys got it by now.
MMORPGs are not even about having fun now..it's all about forcing you to stay in their game because of the competition so they find every way they can to make you waste your time...
So why waste our precious hard gained money in theses games?
Even if many bash EQ I must admit that no current game even come to EQ's knee when it was released.
I'll watch EQ 2 and WoW but if these 2 don't clean up the mess of the others...I'll be more then happy to say good bye to MMORPG's. |
Strangely enough, I think MMORPGs are actually getting better. Surely you can remember EQ's release. It was a disaster. The only reason EQ survived that was the lack of competition in the market.
Most games released now have much less problems upon release. The problem they face is competing with other games that are years of content ahead of them. The game engine in many of the games released today are much more reliable than EQ's engine, even with their DX9 updates. The tradeskill and character systems are better thought out and cleaner. Even the UI in most of these games crushes EQ, even with it's customizable interface.
In total, people continue to play EQ because of their time invested. You need a very compelling reason to leave and start over when you have 5 years invested in a character. If you look at subscription numbers, even that is failing to keep customers paying for EQ. I'm not predicting that EQ will be dying any time soon. I doubt it will. However, EQ's loss of customers is evidence that customers are turning away from EQ to look at the newer games.
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Numzan
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 20:35 Post subject:
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Hmm before eq how many created online Poe, Pvp? not that many. Most where Single player games that had the same old content Hack and slash or First person games. Or what starcraft type games. So how can they be worse? Most of these companies have never created a successful online game like EQ before.
Check out Sigils new game.
p.s Truefully, You can only have a couple awesome games like EQ's success each year.
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Sylanna
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 20:44 Post subject:
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I've played UO, Asheron's Call, DAoC (first release, no expansions), NWN, Anarchy Online, Everquest, paid for a short stint on the Legends server as well, and am d/ling Lineage 2 on my other comp, as I type this. There have been more I have tried but they are not even worth mentioning. I d/l em or buy em, beta them or pay for them, hate them within months at best, hours at worst, and go back to EQ and play while I wait to get to that Godbox of a zone, PoTime...some day. Not in any hurry. DAoC was my next favorite so far, until my fek brother stole the software ...but I digress.
They are all xp grinds. They are all level up, skill up, gear up, go fight sequences, some better than others, but I have yet to play one with the scope of content of EQ...prolly why I keep going back to EQ. Pain in the ass game that it is, I always go back.
Anyway, in my humble estimation of all the games I have tried, they are not getting worse per se', they are just stagnant.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 21:05 Post subject: Re: MMORPGs only getting worse?
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| Paco wrote: | | Maelstrom wrote: | | So why waste our precious hard gained money in theses games? |
Why must we waste our time reading your grammatical butchery?
The only thing getting worse here is your grammar. MS Word, it really does have a grammar and spelling checker you know. Honest. |
So does www.google.com
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The Gossipmonger
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 21:07 Post subject:
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MMORPGs are not about having fun. They are about making money for their developers and publishers, otherwise they'd be giving them away for free. With that said, it is apparent that this type of game sells, so they are creating them on this basis (xp grinds, etc). Also, you are an assclown.
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Sylanna
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 21:23 Post subject:
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But they are about having fun. Cuz if they ain't fun, nobody is getting my buck-o-seven a month to play it.
Publisher's and developers realize they will make a certain profit off of the sales of software but MMORPG's base their projected profit margins off continuity of accounts. No continuity means they fall short of their projections when payday comes. Fun is the name of the game and when it is lacking, well...see Lords of Everquest as total testament. They ended up offering whatever they could to their beta testers just so they would even place a damn order for the software. Sales fell short by more than half what they had hoped. Not a huge hole in Sony income by any means, but still a hole.
And what they offered is based on their shining bastion of hope, EQ2. And they promise it will be fun. Fun being what gets them money.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 21:23 Post subject:
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| The Gossipmonger wrote: | | MMORPGs are not about having fun. They are about making money for their developers and publishers, otherwise they'd be giving them away for free. With that said, it is apparent that this type of game sells, so they are creating them on this basis (xp grinds, etc). Also, you are an assclown. |
You sir, are great.
Keep up the good work.
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Yanbik
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 22:59 Post subject:
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You honestly cant say eq wasnt fun when it first came out. Aside from the crashes and bugs.
Running from freeport or akanon all the way to qeynos/erudin was a lot of fun. Exploring uber dungeons such as paw where there were no ingame maps or hardly any on the internet to help you, it was just you and maybe some friends.
Killing those minos in the cave in steamfont for a mino axe then going to freeport to sell it for 6pp instead of the going rate of 5 in felwithe was own.
Or getting some dervish rings in nro for 1p less then they were in felwith!
If you didnt experience that idea of noobdom then you missed out on the true fun that was everquest.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 04/25/04 - 00:04 Post subject:
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EQ is probably the most influential game to all of us, period. Rather you think so or not, it seems by everyones posts it has persuaded us to base our opinions off of that game.
Currently I feel DAoC is in the top spot. Although this game has lots less current subscribers, EQ is dramatically decreasing in its paying costomers. DAoC on the other hand is growing. Maybe not dramatically, but steadily in which allowing mythic to start its expansion fiasco like EQ has.
Following closely I feel SWG is there. Although its lack of content is obvious, it has potential, in which this potential has not been taken advantage of as of yet. So it still is there, but by lack of a "decent" MMORPG out "At the moment" it is 2nd.
Hopefully City of Heros will get some content added to it, in which this game might move up past SWG.
This is a drawing by a friend who played pre-kunark EQ with me. This is what he feels EQ has always been, and always will be. But my point of this picture is the following highlighted quote which is what DAoC could become by its increasing ammount of expansions.
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| Yanbik wrote: | | You honestly cant say eq wasnt fun when it first came out. Aside from the crashes and bugs. |
Although this wasn't directed twoards me, I honestly cannot say I was any less amused than not leaving my house for days upon getting the game.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 04/25/04 - 00:17 Post subject:
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wow, just wow.
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compusmack
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Posted: 04/26/04 - 13:51 Post subject:
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I'm happy with FFXI, it's fun for me and it's keeping me happily entertained. Lots of people knock FFXI, but most of them didn't get past that initial hurdle (lvl 20 w/ subjob) to actually experience the game as it was meant to be. Before I started playing it (well after I quit EQ) I was playing the occassional random game but nothing was really that great except for Quake. When the very last of the Quakeworld community disappeared, I found myself bored... nothing really to play on a regular basis. FFXI filled that void, and now I'm never bored at home during my gaming time. I'm sure the day will come that FFXI will lose my interest, but until that happens I'm glad to have something fun to play.
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Armando1
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Posted: 04/26/04 - 14:25 Post subject: My 2 cents.
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It is simple why EverQuest has captivated the minds of so many, from 10 years old to 70 years old. If you can understand me here.. Its more of a life, not a game. In almost all aspects of the game it is the same as reality, but, you have more interaction and ability to bend it to your liking, Unlike the world. Same with all games. You can do things you normally can't do, or possibly get away with. The technological advancements and logics of today have eliminated all possibilities of something more than the "seen" beings, which is almost depressing.
In EverQuest.. The priorities are more in order also. I mean, which would you rather be doing? Going to school to learn the achievements and mathematical advancements of other men? Or banding together with some of your closest friends to advance your skill with a sword and slaying the evil in the world or "zone" in this case?
Diversity.. Something that EverQuest has better than any other. A clear diversity of races, and the easy ability to travel the world. See the sights.. Clearly almost impossible to see all the sights of our world in a lifetime.. but easily achievable to see all the things in EverQuest if you only put 5 years of your life into it.
Some of you may automatically reply, " Your a f*g.. only nerds play for those reasons".. But I mean, seriously. Dont flame because you think something isnt cool, or because my reason isnt the best...
EverQuest is the first of its kind, and any other game that tries to be along the same lines will only be 2nd best.
I mean because.. Don't you think that if you were able to go to the mall and group together to go earn some "plat" without being judged for what you like that you would be doing that? But instead... When you goto the mall, its all about what you have.. and not what your capable of.
- This has been my 2 cents.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 04/26/04 - 15:01 Post subject: Re: My 2 cents.
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| Armando1 wrote: | It is simple why EverQuest has captivated the minds of so many, from 10 years old to 70 years old. If you can understand me here.. Its more of a life, not a game. In almost all aspects of the game it is the same as reality, but, you have more interaction and ability to bend it to your liking, Unlike the world. Same with all games. You can do things you normally can't do, or possibly get away with. The technological advancements and logics of today have eliminated all possibilities of something more than the "seen" beings, which is almost depressing.
In EverQuest.. The priorities are more in order also. I mean, which would you rather be doing? Going to school to learn the achievements and mathematical advancements of other men? Or banding together with some of your closest friends to advance your skill with a sword and slaying the evil in the world or "zone" in this case?
Diversity.. Something that EverQuest has better than any other. A clear diversity of races, and the easy ability to travel the world. See the sights.. Clearly almost impossible to see all the sights of our world in a lifetime.. but easily achievable to see all the things in EverQuest if you only put 5 years of your life into it.
Some of you may automatically reply, " Your a f*g.. only nerds play for those reasons".. But I mean, seriously. Dont flame because you think something isnt cool, or because my reason isnt the best...
EverQuest is the first of its kind, and any other game that tries to be along the same lines will only be 2nd best.
I mean because.. Don't you think that if you were able to go to the mall and group together to go earn some "plat" without being judged for what you like that you would be doing that? But instead... When you goto the mall, its all about what you have.. and not what your capable of.
- This has been my 2 cents. |
Good job.
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Notice how many times wellspoken has chimed in trying to get someone to reply to him.
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