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Desaitar
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aye, bush def won the debate.
kerry was just attacking endlessly, not answering questions, and it showed all over. bush i think really helped his image in this debate and kerry hurt his, bush seemed calm and giving hopeful answers, while kerry was just so down about everything. hardly seems fit to be a leader of much of anything. no one wants a president who thinks the whole world is bad and everything in it, bush really seemed like a nice guy, in control, and very nicely and sometimes comically owned kerry on almost all debate topics.
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 01:26 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released shortly after the debate indicated that more who watched it gave Kerry the edge. Among the poll's 511 respondents, 53 percent said Kerry did better, and 39 percent said Bush did. The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 5 percentage points. |
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 01:37 Post subject:
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kerry held onto his bump from last debate
source Gallup poll - www.gallup.com
| Quote: | | The poll also shows that the perceptions of Kerry as the winner of last Friday night's debate have increased, seen now as the winner by 45%, compared with 30% for Bush. An immediate post-debate poll of debate viewers found Kerry with only a two-point advantage over Bush on who won the debate. |
It only looks good to me - we'll see at the polls, but no Bush supporter can be sitting comfortable right now. Kerry won the third debate, and only a totally partisan (big surprise on who in this thread) Bush supporter would say otherwise.
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Plat4PoP
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 01:53 Post subject:
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| Desaitar wrote: | aye, bush def won the debate.
kerry was just attacking endlessly, not answering questions, and it showed all over. bush i think really helped his image in this debate and kerry hurt his, bush seemed calm and giving hopeful answers, while kerry was just so down about everything. hardly seems fit to be a leader of much of anything. no one wants a president who thinks the whole world is bad and everything in it, bush really seemed like a nice guy, in control, and very nicely and sometimes comically owned kerry on almost all debate topics. |
this says alot on where you stand and if there was ever a chance to uncorrupt your feeble mind  You will be missed
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Tura
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| median wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Ya'll can't be serious. Saying attacks on Kerry show Bush doesn't have anything to say!? ALL sKerry does is attack Bush lmao. Bush attacks him and actually tells you what he will do, not just "I will do it better". |
I stoped reading at Y'all |
Way to show everyone how closed-minded you are. Thats the way people talk in a good half of this country.
Find something new to poke your fun at.
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themy
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| lauren000 wrote: | | I don't know why they're calling Kerry talking about Chenney's daughter a cheap shot. The Bush-Chenney campaign is f*****g hypocritical and Chenney's daughter knows it, and the real question is whether or not she is offended, which I seriously doubt she is. |
hey HeShe you f*****g know that kerry is against gay marriage too right? so you f*****g lose with both. so go vote nader
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Desaitar
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| Quote: | | this says alot on where you stand and if there was ever a chance to uncorrupt your feeble mind You will be missed |
You're the one that lives in Norrath  Oh, nice try at the insult, next time maybe you could add a little logic and possibly a hint of intelligence.
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khrath
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 08:08 Post subject:
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Jack and Obmar, what policies of kerry's do you support?
Please be specific and detail why you support them.
Actually having to learn what Kerry's policies are should keep you busy until after the election, I expect a full report by the time Bush is announced as the presidential winner.
Seriously, all you guys do is trash bush. You offer no content other than Bush is bad, Kerry is good.
I only read this post because I wanted to see if it had any usefull opinions or insights, but as per usuall, it's just you two sucking eachother off and regurgitating the same old hype anti Bush quotes.
Bush isn't what's wrong with this country, it's people like you making uneducated claims, and then following it up by voting against a candidate, versus for a candidate, without ever knowing what you're voting for.
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Frax
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 08:28 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | Jack and Obmar, what policies of kerry's do you support?
Please be specific and detail why you support them.
Actually having to learn what Kerry's policies are should keep you busy until after the election, I expect a full report by the time Bush is announced as the presidential winner.
Seriously, all you guys do is trash bush. You offer no content other than Bush is bad, Kerry is good.
I only read this post because I wanted to see if it had any usefull opinions or insights, but as per usuall, it's just you two sucking eachother off and regurgitating the same old hype anti Bush quotes.
Bush isn't what's wrong with this country, it's people like you making uneducated claims, and then following it up by voting against a candidate, versus for a candidate, without ever knowing what you're voting
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We already tried the rational angle with jack crow.. all we got was: OWNED! OWNED! OWNED! or something similar. So thats how I respond to him now.
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 10:49 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | Jack and Obmar, what policies of kerry's do you support?
Please be specific and detail why you support them.
Actually having to learn what Kerry's policies are should keep you busy until after the election, I expect a full report by the time Bush is announced as the presidential winner.
Seriously, all you guys do is trash bush. You offer no content other than Bush is bad, Kerry is good.
I only read this post because I wanted to see if it had any usefull opinions or insights, but as per usuall, it's just you two sucking eachother off and regurgitating the same old hype anti Bush quotes.
Bush isn't what's wrong with this country, it's people like you making uneducated claims, and then following it up by voting against a candidate, versus for a candidate, without ever knowing what you're voting
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We already tried the rational angle with jack crow.. all we got was: OWNED! OWNED! OWNED! or something similar. So thats how I respond to him now. |
Jack is such a sheep 
FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD! FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD!
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Devook
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You can't really say what policies of Kerry you support, because he never really tells anyone what they are
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quotison
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I thought it was the most even matched debate of the three. Both Bush and Kerry seemed to do very well on some points, and poor on other points. But it looks like I'm the only one who didn't think one candidate 'owned' the other
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Obmar
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I have explained my views multiple times. I agree with Kerry's message moreso than Bush's. I do not like the culture of fear that Bush propogates. His platform is, a vote for Kerry is a vote for terror - and I've seen some of you buy into that.
That's sad.
I respect each and every one of your right to vote, and I rarely try to change someone's vote. The undecided folks (are there any that come to this board) may want to hear something other thatn the constant barrage of b******t. But they shouldn't be coming here for it.
Khrath I sent you a PM because you seem to be taking this personally. Politics isn't personal.
For the rest of you - read my signature. I will not vote for the idiot! Bush has done a s****y job the last four years.
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Frax
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culture of fear vs the culture of conspiracy theories.
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Orbit
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National Security:
America was born in pursuit of an idea - that a free people with diverse beliefs can govern themselves in peace.
Throughout our history, we have forged powerful alliances to defend, encourage, and promote that idea around the world. Through two World Wars, the Cold War, the Gulf War and Kosovo, America led instead of going it alone. We respected the world - and the world respected us.
Today, our leadership has walked away from more than a century of American leadership in the world to embrace a new - and dangerously ineffective - American disregard for the world. They bully instead of persuade. They act alone when they could assemble a team. They confuse leadership with going it alone. They fail to understand that real leadership means standing by your principles and rallying others to join you.
John Kerry and John Edwards believe in a better, stronger America - an America that is respected, not just feared. An America that listens and leads - that cherishes freedom, safeguards our people, uplifts others, forges alliances, and deserves respect. This is the America they believe in. This is the America they are fighting for. And this is the America we can be.
Today, we face three great challenges above all others - First, to win the global war against terror; Second, to stop the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons; Third, to promote democracy, freedom, and opportunity around the world, starting by winning the peace in Iraq. To meet these challenges, John Kerry's national security policy will be guided by four imperatives:
Launch And Lead A New Era Of Alliances
The threat of terrorism demands alliances on a global scale - to utilize every available resource to get the terrorists before they can strike at us. As president, John Kerry will lead a coalition of the able - because no force on earth is more able than the United States and its allies.
Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats
John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to transform the world's most powerful military to better address the modern threats of terrorism and proliferation, while ensuring that we have enough properly trained and equipped troops to meet our enduring strategic and regional missions.
Deploy All That Is In America's Arsenal
The war on terror cannot be won by military might alone. As president, John Kerry will deploy all the forces in America's arsenal - our diplomacy, our intelligence system, our economic power, and the appeal of our values and ideas - to make America more secure and prevent a new generation of terrorists from emerging.
Free America From Its Dangerous Dependence On Mideast Oil
To secure our full independence and freedom, we must free America from its dangerous dependence on Mideast oil. By tapping American ingenuity, we can achieve that goal while growing our economy and protecting our environment.
Economy & Jobs:
The measure of a strong economy is a growing middle-class where every American has a chance to work and an opportunity to succeed.
In America, a rising tide is supposed to lift all boats. But today, Americans are working harder, earning less, and paying more for health care, college, and taxes. Corporate profits are soaring, the government keeps expanding, but the opportunities for our middle-class are shrinking.
It's time to bring those opportunities back. John Kerry and John Edwards know that we're stronger when we create good-paying jobs here, not ship them overseas. They want to reward hardworking middle-class families with tax breaks, not larger bills. They want to expand the reach of opportunity, not the size of government. And they want to lead an America where we work together to invest in the jobs of tomorrow.
John Kerry and John Edwards have seen the faces and heard the voices of struggling middle-class families. But they've come away convinced more than ever that we're a country of optimists - a country that can do better and think bigger about the challenges we face. We can grow our economy by strengthening our middle-class. And we can make America richer by giving everyone a chance to build a better life for their families.
John Kerry and John Edwards' plan to build a stronger economy will:
Create Good-Paying Jobs
As president, John Kerry will cut taxes for businesses that create jobs here in America instead of moving them overseas. John Kerry and John Edwards will also stand up for workers by enforcing our trade agreements.
Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes
When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan.
Make Washington Live Within A Budget
John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it.
Invest In The Jobs Of Tomorrow
Today, businesses are harnessing new technology to manufacture energy-efficient cars, high-grade steel, advanced plastics and other new products. And this requires a bigger, skilled labor force to make them. John Kerry and John Edwards believe we should invest in these jobs and invest in the people who will fill them.
Health Care:
Affordable, high-quality health care will keep our families healthy, our businesses competitive, and our country strong.
Over the last three years, family premiums have increased by more than $3,512 and prescription drug prices have grown four times faster than inflation. These skyrocketing costs have hurt our economy and forced many families into bankruptcy.
We deserve a president who understands that in America, regular check-ups shouldn't empty family checkbooks - a president who will put people ahead of insurance and drug companies.
John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to address soaring premiums and cut Americans a break. Their plan will lower family premiums by up to $1,000 a year, cut waste from the system, lower the cost of prescription drugs to provide real relief to seniors, and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every child. And because John Kerry and John Edwards believe that everyone's health is equally important, they will provide all Americans with access to the same coverage that members of Congress give themselves.
To make affordable health care a right - not a privilege - for every American, John Kerry and John Edwards will:
Cut Your Premiums
John Kerry and John Edwards will cut family premiums by up to $1,000. That's $1,000 in real savings people can use to buy groceries, pay the bills, and save for their children's future. And that will mean more jobs and more competitive American businesses.
Cover All Americans With Quality Care
The Kerry-Edwards plan will give every American access to the range of high-quality, affordable plans available to members of Congress and extend coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every American child. Their plan will also fight to erase the health disparities that persist along racial and economic lines, ensure that people with HIV and AIDS have the care they need, end discrimination against Americans with disabilities and mental illnesses, and ensure equal treatment for mental illness in our health system.
Cut the Cost of Prescription Drugs
The Kerry-Edwards plan will reduce prescription drug prices by allowing the re-importation of safe prescription drugs from Canada, overhauling the Medicare drug plan, ensuring low-cost drugs, and ending artificial barriers to generic drug competition.
Cut Waste And Inefficiency
Today, approximately 25 percent of health care costs are wasted on paperwork and administrative processing. The Kerry-Edwards plan harnesses American ingenuity to cut waste, save billions, and take new steps to ensure patient privacy.
Energy Independence:
Together, Americans will be freer and stronger when we break our dependence on foreign oil.
Today, we consume 2.5 million barrels of oil per day from the Middle East, where instability has pushed prices to record highs. These soaring energy costs are burdening middle-class families with higher gas prices, and our dependence on Middle East oil is putting our national security at risk.
America will be safer and freer when the resources that fuel our economy are in our own hands, when we develop new energy sources right here in America.
John Kerry and John Edwards will put America on the path towards energy independence. They will harness the full force of American optimism and ingenuity to invest in new technologies and alternative fuels, create tax incentives that help automakers produce more fuel efficient cars, and reward the consumers who buy them. We invented and built the cars we drive today - we can invent and build the cars we drive tomorrow, too.
The Kerry-Edwards plan will increase energy conservation and create clean, renewable sources of energy that no terrorist can sabotage and no foreign government can seize. Their plan will also save billions by cutting waste and pork-barrel spending in Washington.
John Kerry and John Edwards believe that achieving an energy independent America - an America strong at home and secure in the world - is the great project for our generation.
To create an energy independent America, John Kerry and John Edwards will:
Explore And Develop New Energy Sources
Tomorrow's energy economy will be fueled by new energy sources. The Kerry-Edwards plan will invest in the research and exploration needed to turn ideas into fuel and develop renewable energy sources.
Develop Tomorrow's Technology Today
Under the Kerry-Edwards plan, America will take the lead in developing the new technology and production methods needed to ensure that resources such as coal and natural gas are used more efficiently and cleanly, and fully integrated into the New Energy Economy.
Make America Energy Independent Of Middle East Oil
Our security in the war on terror demands an end to our dependence on Middle East oil. Under the Kerry-Edwards plan, we will strengthen our national security while growing our economy and protecting our environment.
Homeland Security:
The most basic responsibility of a president is defending our homeland.
We've seen some progress in making America more secure since September 11 - but there is still much more to be done. Today our government is not doing enough to make us safe. Our intelligence services remain fragmented and lack coordination. Our borders and ports are full of holes. Our chemical plants are vulnerable to attack. And across America, police officers, firefighters, and other first responders still lack the information, gear, and equipment to do their jobs safely and successfully.
America needs a new strategy for homeland security that takes steps as big as the threats we face. John Kerry and John Edwards have that strategy. They will do whatever it takes to make America safe - coordinate our intelligence agencies, take action on all key fronts, stand up for security whenever special interests stand in the way, and get the needed resources to the first responders who defend America every day.
John Kerry and John Edwards will offer a new security strategy that addresses five major challenges:
Track And Stop Terrorists
Many of the intelligence problems that allowed terrorists to slip into our country before 9/11 have not been addressed. John Kerry and John Edwards will improve our ability to gather, analyze, and share information so we can track down and stop terrorists before they cause harm.
Protect Our Borders And Shores
Today, our borders, our ports, and our airports are not as secure as they must be. John Kerry and John Edwards will make our airports, seaports, and borders more secure without intruding upon personal liberties.
Harden Vulnerable Targets
Chemical industry lobbying has kept the Bush administration from strengthening security at chemical plants, where an attack could endanger 1 million Americans. John Kerry and John Edwards will always put Americans' safety ahead of big business interests and take strong measures to harden likely targets-including nuclear plants, trains, and subways-against possible attack.
Improve Domestic Readiness
Our first defenders will respond to any attack with courage and heroism-but they also need the equipment and manpower to do the job. John Kerry and John Edwards will back up their words with resources and ensure that America's first responders have everything they need to protect their communities.
Guard Liberty.
We must always remember that terrorists do not just target our lives - they target our way of life. John Kerry and John Edwards believe in an America that is safe and free, and they will protect our personal liberties as well as our personal security.
Education:
Education is at the core of America's basic promise - that all Americans should be able to make the most of their potential.
John Kerry and John Edwards have a vision for American education: every child should be held to high standards, and every school should have the resources and the responsibility to meet those standards. Every classroom should have a great teacher. Every young person should graduate from high school, and every young person who works hard and wants to go to college should be able to afford it. And all Americans should be able to get the skills they need to succeed throughout their lives.
Today, our country is not realizing that vision. Schools do not have the resources they need to succeed, Washington is not working to make reform succeed and children are losing out. One million students are dropping out of high school every year, and because the price of college has risen by 35 percent over the last three years, 220,000 qualified young people were priced out of college last year.
John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to do better-to ensure that all Americans can make the most of their God-given talents. They will offer schools the resources and the reforms they need to give every American child a great education, regardless of their income, race, or family background.
John Kerry and John Edwards will:
Meet Our Responsibilities To Our Schools
John Kerry and John Edwards will establish a National Education Trust Fund to ensure that schools always get the funding they need. They will also ensure that No Child Left Behind works for schools, states, and teachers by rewarding those who meet higher standards and rewarding schools that turn around and improve.
Continue Reform And Put A Great Teacher In Every Classroom
Great teachers are the foundation of a great school. As president, John Kerry will enact a new bargain that offers teachers more, including better training and better pay in troubled schools, and asks for more in return, including fast, fair ways to make sure that teachers who don't belong in the classroom don't stay there.
Offer 3.5 Million After-School Opportunities Through "School's Open 'Til Six"
John Kerry and John Edwards are strong supporters of after-school programs. They give students extra help, keep them out of trouble, and offer peace of mind to working parents. The Kerry-Edwards "School's Open 'Til 'Six" initiative will offer after-school opportunities to 3.5 million children, through programs that are open until 6 p.m. and offer safe transportation for children.
Make College Affordable For All And Expand Lifelong Learning
As president, John Kerry will offer a fully refundable College Opportunity Tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college and offer aid to states that keep tuitions down. And he will launch a new effort to ensure that all of our workers can get the technical skills and advanced training they need.
Environment
As Americans, we have the right to breathe unpolluted air, drink safe water, eat uncontaminated food, live in clean communities and enjoy our natural treasures. Over the last three years, we have seen these rights eroded. We have seen hard-won environmental gains rolled back, our air polluted and our water contaminated.
In the 21st Century, we can have progress without pollution - we can grow our economy while protecting our natural resources. But we need a leader who looks to the future and invests in innovation.
Throughout his career, John Kerry has fought to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness areas. Recently, the League of Conservation Voters called Senator Kerry an "environmental champion."
John Kerry and John Edwards will set a new standard of environmental excellence for America. They will honor our national treasures and pay tribute to our natural wonders, while renewing our nation's promise of clean air, clean water and a bountiful landscape for all. They recognize that we owe it to our families, our communities, and our planet to defend our environmental values and protect our environmental rights.
John Kerry and John Edwards will:
Create Cleaner, Greener Communities
Together, we can improve the environment in backyards and communities across America. John Kerry and John Edwards will revitalize contaminated industrial sites, get toxins out of communities, guarantee our children access to clean, safe parks and baseball fields, and take on traffic congestion and sprawl.
Enact A Conservation Covenant With America
John Kerry and John Edwards believe that Americans are united in our respect for the land. They will enact a Conservation Covenant with America to ensure balanced protection for our public lands and adequate resources to enhance our national parks.
Protect Our Health By Reducing Dangerous Air Emissions
As president, John Kerry will reverse the Bush-Cheney rollbacks to our Clean Air Act, plug loopholes in the law, take aggressive action to stop acid rain, and use innovative, job-creating programs to reduce mercury emissions and other emissions that contribute to global warming.
Restore America's Waters
Today, approximately 45 percent of our nation's waterways do not meet the "drinkable, swimmable and fishable" standard set out by the Clean Water Act 30 years ago. As president, John Kerry will implement a "Restore America's Waters" campaign, an integrated approach to protecting our precious, limited water resources. He will work with states on the toughest water quality challenges, restore damaged watersheds, protect wetlands, invest in our waterfronts and coastal communities, and protect our oceans.
And even more here.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/
You all keep saying what does he stand for. Well if you took the time to read his website maybe you see what he stands for..
Before you say how he going to do that. Show me Bush's plan and tell me HOW he going to do it himself.. 
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Yellow Journalist
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 12:03 Post subject:
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Kerry had control of the whole third debate.... Only point in Bush's favor was his closing words to conclude his say. Ultimately... Kerry gave the rhythm and Bush did " his dance " the dance weve seen throughout Bush's term as president. Time for change ... Vote Kerry .
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khrath
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 12:07 Post subject:
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Bush sucks at debating, kerry was the captain of the Yale debate team.
I thought we already covered that Kerry owns bush in debating?
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 12:29 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | but no Bush supporter can be sitting comfortable right now. Kerry won the third debate, and only a totally partisan (big surprise on who in this thread) Bush supporter would say otherwise. |
Only a totally partisan Kerry supporter would say Kerry won the debate!
At the end of the day, what separates the commited majority of bush supporters from the majority of Kerry supporters is that Bush supporters vote for Bush because they like him as a person, and see him as a man with conviction and a vision for the next four years.
A fair few number of Kerry supporters simply support Kerry because he is not George W. Bush. Heck, quite a few of these people supported Howard Dean for the same reason before he became essentially an unelectable candidate.
It's not too late to vote for Ralph Nader you know!
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 12:32 Post subject:
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Hell it's not too late to write in Kermit the Frog either.
I bet He'd even do a better job than Bush.
His platform -
Bring Back the Rainbows, the Lovers, the Dreamers!
The REAL Green Party Candidate!
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 12:35 Post subject:
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Fear? It has defined the Democrats for at least the last month. The Draft issue? Voter intimidation? Social Security? Class divding? Race dividing? Health Care? Gettin rid of Abortion? Let's see what the latest is...
Kerry/Edwards Election Directive: Charge Voter Intimidation, Even if None Exists
Jesse Jackson Says GOP Pushing 'Ideology of the Confederacy'
Heh, Orbit needs to rely on cutting and pasting versus writing out what Kerry Plan's are. Reminds me of a typical Kerry response to an issue: never answer the question directly and rely on cliches. Here are Bush's (my own view versus a cut and paste):
1. National Security : Take the fight to the terrorists. Democracy and freedom are the major threat to terrorists and regimes that support terrorism. The US makes the final decision on what to do on threats to the US. If 12 years of diplomacy fails then take action. Do not cede US court power or sovereignty to the International Court. Do not belittle our allies and do not send mixed messages to our troops by saying, "Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time." Stand firm in your conviction as Commander in Chief by not saying, "I voted for the 86 million before voting against it." Reducing our defense, support to our troops, and nuclear capabilities is not a solution to address a threat to the US.
2. Economy and Jobs : After facing a failing stock market and economy inherited from Clinton followed by the attacks of 9/11, the key to growth is for people to have more money in their pocket to spend. Reducing taxes across the board including small businesses. Education is the key to make the US more competitive in the economy. Create tax zones to stimulate growth in parts of the country that are recessed. Allow people more choices in health care spending via health care accounts and removing government barriers preventing small business to band together to buy insurance. Enact tort reform to reduce frivolous lawsuits. Streamline the health care industry to reduce costs.
3. Heatlh Care: Covered some in Jobs. Keep the government's nose out of people's health care. If Kerry's "socialized health care plan" is put in place, businesses will cut their costs by not subsidizing private health care plans. People will not have "a choice in health care" as Kerry proposes. Push for generic drugs to cover drug costs. Prescription Drug coverage for seniors is covered.
4. Energy Independence: Push for renewable resources and rely on technology improvements to reduce energy usage. Develop new sources within the US.
5. Environment: The environment is the cleanest since even before Clinton. Use sound policies and technological advancements regarding the environment. Allow some timber thinning to prevent mass forrest fires.
etc etc....
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Orbit
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 12:53 Post subject:
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Reply on it? I know why I am voting for Kerry. I want someone that going to worry about his own country over worrying about another country.
I pasted his goals so there wouldnt be any doudt of what his plans are.
Its funny your pointing a finger at me king/queen(sorry not sure) of links. Even misqoutad some of your links.. 
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themy
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 13:04 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | Hell it's not too late to write in Kermit the Frog either.
I bet He'd even do a better job than Bush.
His platform -
Bring Back the Rainbows, the Lovers, the Dreamers!
The REAL Green Party Candidate! |
well then atleast kermit has a platform unlike kerry
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themy
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 13:06 Post subject:
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not to mention the bill in congress that was trying to allow the draft was actually drafted up by 2 democrats who then voted against their own bill and then accused bush of trying to reinstate the draft.. go retarded democrats!
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Conqueso
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 13:09 Post subject:
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Understanding and parroting are two different things. With most Kerry supporters I have run into, they can't say what Kerry is exactly for. That is why I found it comical that a cut and paste has to be used. Kerry does not even know what he is for. He has gotten better in the last few weeks with a lot of help, but he is still inconsistent compared to what he said 6 months ago or even his senate record.
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themy
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 13:16 Post subject:
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| Conqueso wrote: | | Understanding and parroting are two different things. With most Kerry supporters I have run into, they can't say what Kerry is exactly for. That is why I found it comical that a cut and paste has to be used. Kerry does not even know what he is for. He has gotten better in the last few weeks with a lot of help, but he is still inconsistent compared to what he said 6 months ago or even his senate record. |
because kerry is for nothing but what the DNC tells him to be to cover the most people! his senate record and even senate attendance records speak for themselves. who would vote for a pres that won't even be in office!!
not to mention kerry and edwards are now saying that they didn't show up to congress because they "are outnumbered in the senate and won't get any of their agenda in anyways because of republicans" what a great way of saying that they are just scum sucking off the 140,000 a year they get. maybe the f***s can give their pay away to poor people and they will get more votes, they don't f*****g need it anyways.
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 13:21 Post subject:
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Themy you are an idiot.
Your opinions don't count.
You have a Chicken Little, "the sky is falling" tone to all of your posts.
You come across as an over the top, unreasonable, inarticulate, hard-headed, close minded, regurgitating, fanatic.
You are the type of person that uses multiple exclamation points to try and stress your points.
Vote how you choose, but don't think anyone here listens to you.
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themy
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 13:41 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | Themy you are an idiot.
Your opinions don't count.
You have a Chicken Little, "the sky is falling" tone to all of your posts.
You come across as an over the top, unreasonable, inarticulate, hard-headed, close minded, regurgitating, fanatic.
You are the type of person that uses multiple exclamation points to try and stress your points.
Vote how you choose, but don't think anyone here listens to you. |
congrats, you just described yourself except for the exclamation points. and those are to denote sarcasm... keep on trying to dance around the facts and not address kerry as an idiot, well that is actually because you yourself are an even bigger idiot.
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 13:44 Post subject:
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| themy wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | Themy you are an idiot.
Your opinions don't count.
You have a Chicken Little, "the sky is falling" tone to all of your posts.
You come across as an over the top, unreasonable, inarticulate, hard-headed, close minded, regurgitating, fanatic.
You are the type of person that uses multiple exclamation points to try and stress your points.
Vote how you choose, but don't think anyone here listens to you. |
congrats, you just described yourself except for the exclamation points. and those are to denote sarcasm... keep on trying to dance around the facts and not address kerry as an idiot, well that is actually because you yourself are an even bigger idiot. |
I see - the dreaded, "I know you are, but what am I?" comeback..
You just proved my point admirably.
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themy
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 10/14/04 - 14:01 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | | themy wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | Themy you are an idiot.
Your opinions don't count.
You have a Chicken Little, "the sky is falling" tone to all of your posts.
You come across as an over the top, unreasonable, inarticulate, hard-headed, close minded, regurgitating, fanatic.
You are the type of person that uses multiple exclamation points to try and stress your points.
Vote how you choose, but don't think anyone here listens to you. |
congrats, you just described yourself except for the exclamation points. and those are to denote sarcasm... keep on trying to dance around the facts and not address kerry as an idiot, well that is actually because you yourself are an even bigger idiot. |
I see - the dreaded, "I know you are, but what am I?" comeback..
You just proved my point admirably. |
actually, your post was pretty useless and you just strung all these insuls together and i deemed them idiodic. There is no "sky is falling tone" if you read one then that is all in your head. Also i am far from fanatic, and regurgitating. you on the other hand have no valid points at all in any of your posts, and thanks for proving my point, while on the other hand s***w you for making me elaborate. hard-headed, umm sure i'm hard headed but isn't everyone when it comes to their own beliefs, which i am far from the far right ;p inarticulate? well let us see here, this is a message board and i don't really give a shit if i sound articulate on a message board, why? because it is not a place of work or a debate and i don't need to be articulate. if you post here trying to sound articulate then you will come off as arrogant. over the top and unreasonable? highly doubtful since you are the one being over the top and unreasonable trying to label me as all these things i am not.
In conclusion, (cliff notes version) stop reading your own posts and trying to base comments against them as attacks on other people. In other words ,,l,,
and here's a picture of what we all actually care about:
vote bush...
or "anyone but bush"
but don't vote for "bush"
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