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hhmm never posted the pic of the tin foil hat so guessing Reading comprehension still owns your uneducated ass. Thanks for helping getting me over 100 btw....
I'm wondering how long this will go on with him throwing the same tired insult at me. any wagers?
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Posted: 10/02/04 - 23:07 Post subject:
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| Grendul wrote: | hhmm never posted the pic of the tin foil hat so guessing Reading comprehension still owns your uneducated ass. Thanks for helping getting me over 100 btw....
I'm wondering how long this will go on with him throwing the same tired insult at me. any wagers? |
I wager "till the cows come home", sycophant.
Sycophant fits SO nicely.
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Grendul
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 04:09 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Grendul wrote: | hhmm never posted the pic of the tin foil hat so guessing Reading comprehension still owns your uneducated ass. Thanks for helping getting me over 100 btw....
I'm wondering how long this will go on with him throwing the same tired insult at me. any wagers? |
I wager "till the cows come home", sycophant.
Sycophant fits SO nicely. |
without something to back that insult up it's just weak like most of your arguements that make you sound like a tin foil hat wearing freak. so if you can't back the insult up atleast come up with one that is relevent to me. You give Kerry supporters a bad name man.
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Domination
Can't Stop Posting
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 04:19 Post subject: Re: Like Putin, Bush used terrorism to take away rights
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| Jack Crow wrote: | You want to talk about big brother?
here that shit is ...because some fucktards waltzed through slackjaw airport security with boxcutters.
USA PATRIOT ACT
The sweeping anti-terrorism law adopted Oct. 26, 2001.
Expands the FBI's power to conduct secret searches of private property or homes without informing the owner.
Expands FBI access to private records held by a third party, such as credit reports, student records, medical records, financial information.
Allows the FBI to conduct secret searches or wiretap s on U.S. citizens to obtain evidence of crimes without showing "probable cause."
Expands an exception to the 4th Amendment for spying that collects information about the origin and destination of communications. This exception, when applied to Internet usage, allows access to far more private detail s than when applied to traditional communication methods like telephones or regular mail. |
You must have pulled this from the ACLU's site. This isn't the patriot act that congress passed. There's lots of little details you are missing...
Try going and pulling up what congress actually passed, read it, understand it if you can, and then come here talking about who is doing what. Its bad when the first sentence is pretty much spin;
"Expands the FBI's power to conduct secret searches of private property or homes without informing the owner."
Thats somewhat true, however the details you are forgetting is - FBI now has the advantage of suprise, they have to inform the owner after the search. This only is used in high priority terroism cases, the FBI got sick of warning terrorists.
Just like most democrats, you don't know what you are talking about. Especially dealing with the patriot act that democrats passed as well as republicans.
Keep being a puppet of the ACLU.....
EDIT: Ahh hell, i forget that democrats don't actually know what is for fact and whats not fact, so here you go!
"Expands FBI access to private records held by a third party, such as credit reports, student records, medical records, financial information. " - The almighty FBI now can do the same things that any common scam artist can do (including the IRS, democrtats favorite scam team!)
"Allows the FBI to conduct secret searches or wiretap s on U.S. citizens to obtain evidence of crimes without showing "probable cause." - The FBI still needs to go before a judge, and get a subpoena to do this (I work on high profile emergency cases when the FBI needs to tap phones on my network). This again, is only used in high priority situations, the judge gets to determine that.
"Expands an exception to the 4th Amendment for spying that collects information about the origin and destination of communications. This exception, when applied to Internet usage, allows access to far more private detail s than when applied to traditional communication methods like telephones or regular mail." - This is extremly vague, I mean... Far more details? Do you actually think thats what the act says? I think this is just a democrats intrepration of the a portion of the act, and to be honest (i could be wrong!), it doesn't really sound like any portion of the Patriot act that i've read.
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 04:22 Post subject:
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| Grendul wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Grendul wrote: | hhmm never posted the pic of the tin foil hat so guessing Reading comprehension still owns your uneducated ass. Thanks for helping getting me over 100 btw....
I'm wondering how long this will go on with him throwing the same tired insult at me. any wagers? |
I wager "till the cows come home", sycophant.
Sycophant fits SO nicely. |
without something to back that insult up it's just weak like most of your arguements that make you sound like a tin foil hat wearing freak. so if you can't back the insult up atleast come up with one that is relevent to me. You give Kerry supporters a bad name man. |
Blah blah blah
That courts are finding parts of the patriot act unconstitutional give me validation, I couldnt care less what a pimply faced little b***h like you has to say about it.
Have a nice day
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 06:23 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Grendul wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Grendul wrote: | hhmm never posted the pic of the tin foil hat so guessing Reading comprehension still owns your uneducated ass. Thanks for helping getting me over 100 btw....
I'm wondering how long this will go on with him throwing the same tired insult at me. any wagers? |
I wager "till the cows come home", sycophant.
Sycophant fits SO nicely. |
without something to back that insult up it's just weak like most of your arguements that make you sound like a tin foil hat wearing freak. so if you can't back the insult up atleast come up with one that is relevent to me. You give Kerry supporters a bad name man. |
Blah blah blah
That courts are finding parts of the patriot act unconstitutional give me validation, I couldnt care less what a pimply faced little b***h like you has to say about it.
Have a nice day |
Hi You quoted the wrong Post again Fucktard. I never brought up the courts I brought up the fact that you are a f*****g Tin foil hat wearing freak.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 06:32 Post subject:
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Grendul In 2004 no More b******t!
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 12:49 Post subject:
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| Grendul wrote: | | Grendul In 2004 no More b******t! |
Yay Grendel!
Fattguy loves ya
hahahaha loser
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Zab
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 15:26 Post subject:
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hmm, the way i look at the government " invading people's rights " is this. If you haven't done anything wrong and arent planning on doing anything wrong then why do you care? So what if they look at your credit report? Is there something there that is going to get you arrested? If there is then you should be arrested, if there isnt then they are going to look, say what a boring assclown, and get rid of it and think nothing of it.
If you have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong then there shouldnt be any problem. Only the ones who will get into trouble are the ones screaming about their rights. The rest of us are screaming for them to do it to get you assclowns off the f*****g streets and into a prison or hanged in the town square for everybody to see, take your pick.
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 15:31 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | hmm, the way i look at the government " invading people's rights " is this. If you haven't done anything wrong and arent planning on doing anything wrong then why do you care? So what if they look at your credit report? Is there something there that is going to get you arrested? If there is then you should be arrested, if there isnt then they are going to look, say what a boring assclown, and get rid of it and think nothing of it.
If you have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong then there shouldnt be any problem. Only the ones who will get into trouble are the ones screaming about their rights. The rest of us are screaming for them to do it to get you assclowns off the f*****g streets and into a prison or hanged in the town square for everybody to see, take your pick. |
Bingo!
We have a winner.
The scumbags align themselves with the low lives and criminals, they even want felons to have the vote.
Shit, their party had al sharpton running for president...
Comical.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 15:49 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Grendul wrote: | | Grendul In 2004 no More b******t! |
Yay Grendel!
Fattguy loves ya
hahahaha loser |
You still don't know me so your insult holds no weight......oh and wrong Grendel a*****e it's Grendul, guess besides reading comprehension spelling wasn't a strong point either?
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Occulis
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 15:49 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | hmm, the way i look at the government " invading people's rights " is this. If you haven't done anything wrong and arent planning on doing anything wrong then why do you care? |
Typical argument of someone who has never had their privacy unjustly invaded. Do you have anything private in your life? Why is it private? Are you trying to hide something? No. You just like privacy for the sake of privacy. It doesn't need justification except in 3rd world countries.
| Quote: | | So what if they look at your credit report? Is there something there that is going to get you arrested? If there is then you should be arrested, if there isnt then they are going to look, say what a boring assclown, and get rid of it and think nothing of it. |
Do you really want someone from realpoor reading your credit report? Do you want them calling up Blockbuster, finding out what movies you like to rent, slowly eating away at every detail of your life until I know everything about you - and then deciding to really f**k with you? Do you naievely think people won't do this?
| Quote: | | If you have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong then there shouldnt be any problem. |
You would really feel differently if your entire family photo album, complete with names, numbers, addresses, likes/dislikes, shopping habits, favorite hangouts and **** history were available online.
Where does it end? Taking 100% of peoples privacy doesn't occur in 30% chunks. It happens 0.05% at a time.
| Quote: | | Only the ones who will get into trouble are the ones screaming about their rights. |
Great quote. Remind me not to scream about my rights in the presense of people who don't even want their own.
Would it bother you if you and your girlfriend/wife were required to hold all conversations on speakerphone?
There are so many examples of why privacy is power, but there are absolutely no examples of where mass-stripping privacy from innocent people for the sake of "security" has ever paid off.
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Zab
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 15:58 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Typical argument of someone who has never had their privacy unjustly invaded. Do you have anything private in your life? Why is it private? Are you trying to hide something? No. You just like privacy for the sake of privacy. It doesn't need justification except in 3rd world countries |
I'm in the military. In essence i have no privacy. Anybody with the proper authorizations ( actually alot of people when you look at it ) could take a look at any of my info.
| Quote: | | Do you really want someone from realpoor reading your credit report? Do you want them calling up Blockbuster, finding out what movies you like to rent, slowly eating away at every detail of your life until I know everything about you - and then deciding to really f**k with you? Do you naievely think people won't do this? |
Have at it. My credit is great and i dont rent from blockbuster. So what if you know i like to scratch my nuts when i wake up after having a cigarrette. How is that going to help you ? You want to come scratch my nuts for me so i dont have to?
| Quote: | You would really feel differently if your entire family photo album, complete with names, numbers, addresses, likes/dislikes, shopping habits, favorite hangouts and **** history were available online.
Where does it end? Taking 100% of peoples privacy doesn't occur in 30% chunks. It happens 0.05% at a time.
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this is such a retarded statement. Anyway, i have nothing to hide. I could care less if you know who i have slept with, wether or not i like marlboro or camel. My address...it's listed in the phone book. My phone number the same. I shop wherever i please when i please. You are welcome to follow me around if you want to.
| Quote: | Great quote. Remind me not to scream about my rights in the presense of people who don't even want their own.
Would it bother you if you and your girlfriend/wife were required to hold all conversations on speakerphone?
There are so many examples of why privacy is power , but there are absolutely no examples of where mass-stripping privacy from innocent people for the sake of "security" has ever paid off. |
Could care less if my phone calls are recorded. I am not planning on overthrowing the government or anything like that so who cares. If you want to hear me talk about my daughter to my mother then you are more than welcome to. Stop by, i'll put it on speaker phone so you can listen in. I am not screaming about my rights being violated because honestly i have nothing to hide. And for the greater good of the country this means we lose a few rights. Why are people so paranoid? What are you hiding? If there is nothing that will get you into trouble then who gives a flying f**k. Let the government do their job so they can put criminals in jail.
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Occulis
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 15:59 Post subject:
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Okay. Stop right there and think about this one thing.
Do you think the only reason privacy exists is for criminals? Because that's what you're saying.
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You absolutely can not ever give privacy back. Most of the time I'm content to just flame people on this board, but privacy issues are something I actually try to persuade about.
For being so intangible, they are very important. You really don't understand the power of privacy until a child molestor knows everything about your kids he needs to.
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 16:03 Post subject:
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I'm more worried about some scumbag at blockbuster stealing my info and ordering crap online with it than I am of the government.
If you got nothing to hide, you got nothing to hide.
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Zab
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 16:07 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | Okay. Stop right there and think about this one thing.
Do you think the only reason privacy exists is for criminals? Because that's what you're saying.
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You absolutely can not ever give privacy back. Most of the time I'm content to just flame people on this board, but privacy issues are something I actually try to persuade about.
For being so intangible, they are very important. You really don't understand the power of privacy until a child molestor knows everything about your kids he needs to. |
Privacy is only needed for those people who have something to hide.
About the child molesting thing. This is called parenting. Educating your child about such things and being aware of the community you live in. I will personally never live in an area where a child molester lives. Hence, why i live on base here in NM. I know how this area is and i know that it is unsafe for my family. On base i know that there are patrols every 30 minutes and i have watched and waved to them as they go by. this is also the reason that my wife is not allowed off base after dark w/o me. This is also why there is a 45 in the closet out of my childs reach but completely accessible to my wife and I. This is also why my wife and i both have paperwork in to be able to carry a weapon.
Do i care who has my information? nope, have at it.
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Occulis
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 16:17 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Privacy is only needed for those people who have something to hide. |
We disagree on a fundamental level and there's no more point in talking about this issue. Have a nice day and good luck in the future.
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Brael
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 16:49 Post subject:
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Wouldn't that be a privacy issue when it comes to your kid Zab if they don't know the gun is there?
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 18:27 Post subject:
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| Brael wrote: | | Wouldn't that be a privacy issue when it comes to your kid Zab if they don't know the gun is there? |
im not getting what you are saying here. where is the privacy?
EIDT : ok, thought about it a little and i think i know what you are getting at. My kid does know the gun is there. I have shown it to her and told her No very sternly. She used to stand there and point at where it's located and cry and i would tell her no. Now she doesnt even give it a second thought when getting into the bottom of the closet 
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 19:52 Post subject:
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He's proudly serving in the United States Air Force defending rights he doesn't understand and doesn't think anyone really needs.
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 20:05 Post subject:
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| Zab wrote: | | Do i care who has my information? nope, have at it. |
You're so full of shit. If you really don't care, post that info here, along with your entire family's DoB, SSN, Name & address. If you don't do that, you just proved that you care about privacy and who has your info, and your entire previous argument is rendered retarded.
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 23:02 Post subject:
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| Grendul wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Grendul wrote: | | Grendul In 2004 no More b******t! |
Yay Grendel!
Fattguy loves ya
hahahaha loser |
You still don't know me so your insult holds no weight......oh and wrong Grendel a*****e it's Grendul, guess besides reading comprehension spelling wasn't a strong point either? |
lol the d*****s who criticizes me for my spelling truly backed against the wall and has nowhere else to go.
Some nice thought going into the rest of this thread btw, I declare it a success.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 23:18 Post subject:
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Hmm, personally I dont want the government snooping into my affairs with little limitation. There needs to be solid checks and balances. I do not agree with everything on the Patriotic Act. There are a few items that overstep the Constitiution including the changes made with the requirement of search warrants.
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Posted: 10/03/04 - 23:59 Post subject:
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I think the change to search warrants is a good one, and hopefully it'll stay. You gotta remember, there are still checks and balances (heh, if you wanna call a judge that), a judge must still give them permission to do it just as before - whats different now regarding searches is in terrorist cases, they don't have to wait till the people are there and go serve the warrant, they go and search hopefully while the people are gone, then tell them afterwards so they have 0 time to hide anything. There is a good reason to do this (also you have to have the judge ok the type of search warrant), think about someone who is on a computer with all of their information there - how long does it take them to get rid of it? 2-10 seconds. Thats 2-10 seconds to long if someone has the complete planning and information for a biological attack on our country right there on his computer!
You guys REALLY gotta start to read whats actually the law, and not what the ACLU/John Kerry/CBS/ABC/CNN tells you!
I have noticed no one wants to really argue about what the actual patriot act does, just your theories on what it does cuz most of you seem to be pretty clueless.
At first I bit into the hype and thought that the patriot act made the FBI judge, jury and executioner (like John Kerry wants you to think!), but after reading the act - Its just not like that. I don't agree with alot of it, but its nothing like the media and fucktards on this board are making it out to be. You all are biting into the hype, why not go and find out what the real patriot act says and does instead of listening to liberal fuckwit tv anchor tell you what it is?
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/04/04 - 00:48 Post subject:
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Heh, I didnt bother reading the ACLU. I heard that the patriot act defines "terrorist' a bit too broad so that it can include most "common criminal activity". I read a summary of the act and it could go either way. Id rather have it better defined (which is very hard to do) or go back to the old, Title III search warrant.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/04/04 - 01:43 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Grendul wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Grendul wrote: | | Grendul In 2004 no More b******t! |
Yay Grendel!
Fattguy loves ya
hahahaha loser |
You still don't know me so your insult holds no weight......oh and wrong Grendel a*****e it's Grendul, guess besides reading comprehension spelling wasn't a strong point either? |
lol the d*****s who criticizes me for my spelling truly backed against the wall and has nowhere else to go.
Some nice thought going into the rest of this thread btw, I declare it a success.
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On one hand I want to flame you cause you are being a retard thinking you know me well enough to back me into a corner. On the other hand I do have to agree with you that Privacy tends to be a big concern for most people. I still think you may be abit paranoid on the whole thing I tend to doubt that the US will turn into a Coldwar Russia with the Government controling everything and being into everything you do You're probably going just a tad overboard there.
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Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/04/04 - 10:05 Post subject:
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| Grendul wrote: | | I still think you may be abit paranoid on the whole thing I tend to doubt that the US will turn into a Coldwar Russia with the Government controling everything and being into everything you do You're probably going just a tad overboard there. |
I tend to keep in mind that issues can go two ways, depending on who is in power. We can have a repeat of McCarthyism or have a "Madalyn O'Hair" type in power (can not think of a better example) abusing the vague boundries set forth by such a doctrine. Eh, the courts are doing its job in grinding through the specifics. We'll see what happens.
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