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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 11:54    Post subject: Liberals claim that the vote was "hacked" (nws pg2 Reply with quote

This is circulating around the office today, and the liberals are convinced this must be the truth. Read and discuss.

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Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked
by Thom Hartmann / Common Dreams

When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06,
2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives
from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show
up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election
was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he
said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic
primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against
Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against
Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on
November 2, 2004.

The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record
of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net
denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a
table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and
noticed something startling.

While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to
produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios
matched the Kerry/Bush vote, and so did the optically-scanned paper
ballots in the larger counties, in Florida's smaller counties the
results from the optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central
tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - seem to have been
reversed.

In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of
them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180
for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere
else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for
Kerry.

In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats
and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for
Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the smaller
counties where, it was probably assumed, the small voter numbers
wouldn't be much noticed. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats,
went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went
77.25% for Bush.

Yet in the larger counties, where such anomalies would be more obvious
to the news media, high percentages of registered Democrats equaled
high percentages of votes for Kerry.

More visual analysis of the results can be seen at
http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and
www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm.

And, although elections officials didn't notice these anomalies, in
aggregate they were enough to swing Florida from Kerry to Bush. If you
simply go through the analysis of these counties and reverse the
"anomalous" numbers in those counties that appear to have been hacked,
suddenly the Florida election results resemble the Florida exit poll
results: Kerry won, and won big.

Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since
Election Day.

Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of
the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after
midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I
was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier
sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The
exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took
the news stoically," noted the AP report.

But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.

Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.

d**k Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton
campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular,
wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political
junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant
points.

"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the
two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly
separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots
but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in
judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."

He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was
slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa,
all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going
to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."

Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep,
as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various
states the election was called for Bush.

How could this happen?

On the CNBC TV show "Topic A With Tina Brown," several months ago,
Howard Dean had filled in for Tina Brown as guest host. His guest was
Bev Harris, the Seattle grandmother who started www.blackboxvoting.org
from her living room. Bev pointed out that regardless of how votes
were tabulated (other than hand counts, only done in odd places like
small towns in Vermont), the real "counting" is done by computers. Be
they Diebold Opti-Scan machines, which read paper ballots filled in by
pencil or ink in the voter's hand, or the scanners that read punch
cards, or the machines that simply record a touch of the screen, in
all cases the final tally is sent to a "central tabulator" machine.

That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.

"In a voting system," Harris explained to Dean on national television,
"you have all the different voting machines at all the different
polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a
thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed
into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if
you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine,
would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or
just come in here and deal with all of them at once?"

Dean nodded in rhetorical agreement, and Harris continued. "What
surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what
you and I use. It's just a regular computer."

"So," Dean said, "anybody who can hack into a PC can hack into a
central tabulator?"

Harris nodded affirmation, and pointed out how Diebold uses a program
called GEMS, which fills the screen of the PC and effectively turns it
into the central tabulator system. "This is the official program that
the County Supervisor sees," she said, pointing to a PC that was
sitting between them loaded with Diebold's software.

Bev then had Dean open the GEMS program to see the results of a test
election. They went to the screen titled "Election Summary Report" and
waited a moment while the PC "adds up all the votes from all the
various precincts," and then saw that in this faux election Howard
Dean had 1000 votes, Lex Luthor had 500, and Tiger Woods had none.
Dean was winning.

"Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted.
Diebold wrote a pretty good program.

But, it's running on a Windows PC.

So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS software, go back to the
normal Windows PC desktop, click on the "My Computer" icon, choose
"Local Disk C:," open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder
"LocalDB" which, Harris noted, "stands for local database, that's
where they keep the votes." Harris then had Dean double-click on a
file in that folder titled "Central Tabulator Votes," which caused the
PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel.

In the "Sum of the Candidates" row of numbers, she found that in one
precinct Dean had received 800 votes and Lex Luthor had gotten 400.

"Let's just flip those," Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the
numbers from one cell into the other. "And," she added magnanimously,
"let's give 100 votes to Tiger."

They closed the database, went back into the official GEMS software
"the legitimate way, you're the county supervisor and you're checking
on the progress of your election."

As the screen displayed the official voter tabulation, Harris said,
"And you can see now that Howard Dean has only 500 votes, Lex Luthor
has 900, and Tiger Woods has 100." Dean, the winner, was now the
loser.

Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, "We just edited an
election, and it took us 90 seconds."

On live national television. (You can see the clip on www.votergate.tv)

Which brings us back to Morris and those pesky exit polls that had
Karen Hughes telling George W. Bush that he'd lost the election in a
landslide.

Morris's conspiracy theory is that the exit polls "were sabotage" to
cause people in the western states to not bother voting for Bush,
since the networks would call the election based on the exit polls for
Kerry. But the networks didn't do that, and had never intended to. It
makes far more sense that the exit polls were right - they weren't
done on Diebold PCs - and that the vote itself was hacked.

And not only for the presidential candidate - Jeff Fisher thinks this
hit him and pretty much every other Democratic candidate for national
office in the most-hacked swing states.

So far, the only national "mainstream" media to come close to this
story was Keith Olbermann on his show Friday night, November 5th, when
he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine
irregularities so far uncovered seem to favor Bush. In the meantime,
the Washington Post and other media are now going through
single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls
had failed.

But I agree with Fox's d**k Morris on this one, at least in large
part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final
paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong
across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."


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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 11:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is gonna be such a clusterfuck....
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 12:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 12:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted.
Diebold wrote a pretty good program.

But, it's running on a Windows PC.


Owned.
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 12:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

They keep the data in a local folder. Wow, I didn't even see that part to start with. That's laughable and frightening at the same time.
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 12:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOT MY TEXT: It's hard to prove most data (votes, for example) were edited after-the-fact.



What dickhead edited my post?


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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 12:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against
Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb



ROFLMAO
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 13:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure whoever edited my post above was trying to be cute to prove a point (other than being a filthy ass munching liberal). However almost every database system has auditing and accounting capabilites so you can force the database to log any changes as well as giving the ability to rollback those changes.
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 13:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frax wrote:
I'm sure whoever edited my post above was trying to be cute to prove a point (other than being a filthy ass munching liberal). However almost every database system has auditing and accounting capabilites so you can force the database to log any changes as well as giving the ability to rollback those changes.

However, the Diebold machines definitely have been documented to have unaudited backdoors through which changes can be made with no record. It appears Diebold has used them to quietly "fix" problems with votes without having to publicly acknowledge problems.

Editing other people's messages btw is incredibly lame. Unless it was done as a metacomment demonstrating the ease with which any electronic media can be falsified with no ability to trace Smile
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 13:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if any of the assertions made in that article are true. I'm sure the people won't know, whatever it is. And I'm sure there are those who don't care what the truth is.
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 13:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously I would expect a voting system to have extremely strenous (if not performance degrading) security attached to it. In this day, with the technology we have available, along with the knowledge of widespread computer hacking around the globe, it should be an automatic element of system design. Ah well it really doesn't matter, they'll just use the patriot act to lock up anyone who knows anything about anyways! Wink
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 13:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL

Bush Won!
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 14:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rennol wrote:
I wonder if any of the assertions made in that article are true. I'm sure the people won't know, whatever it is. And I'm sure there are those who don't care what the truth is.


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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 14:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly be even remotely surprised that conspiracies are coming outta the wood work. That has to be the reason the Democrats lost...it couldn't have anything to do with a failure of ideas to sway voters....naw...not that. And thats what happened in 2002 as well!

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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 14:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it either happened or it didn't.
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 14:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's creeping into mainstream media now:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 14:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silvermouse wrote:
Well, it either happened or it didn't.


I for one hope it did not happen. Democracy is too fragile for things like this.

If it did happen I hope there are laws in place to truely punish the offenders. What those scumbags from WaterGate got was a slap on the wrist.

Aren't some of the people who were helping to run Bush's campaign the same gusy from Nixon's?
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The vote was hacked.

The Red Sox won the world series, therefore Woodrow Wilson should have won this election.
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 14:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

You also have to wonder how credible this is if CBS isn't picking it up and after 20 min of searching I can't find it anywhere on their website. These are the guys who'll make shit up for godsake, and if they won't touch it...
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 14:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xammertime!
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 15:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iosef Vissarionovich Stalin
Джозеф Виссарайонович Сталин

That's a patronymic. It means his father's name was Vissario.

YAY !

Also, an interesting point to note. Russians do not have the equivalent of the English letter "J" in their alphabet. Therefore they have 2 options they use interchangeably. They lump the "deh" and the "zhe" sounds together to make "Джозеф" or in this case, they used the "ё" which makes a "yoh" sound, rendering the pronunciation of the name either "dzhozeff" or "yozeff".

This has been your Russian lesson for the day.

отлично

-Nah-


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lol, awesome!
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 16:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

xeqer wrote:
The vote was hacked.

The Red Sox won the world series, therefore Woodrow Wilson should have won this election.

repost
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haha that pic owns
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Nahualli wrote:
Iosef Vissarionovich Stalin
Джозеф Виссарайонович Сталин

-Nah-


It's Иосиф not Джозеф. Cool
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 17:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oggabish wrote:
Nahualli wrote:
Iosef Vissarionovich Stalin
Джозеф Виссарайонович Сталин

-Nah-


It's Иосиф not Джозеф. Cool


Now why didn't I think of that? *sigh*

Is that how he actually spelled it? I'm only asking because names are like nothing else, only the owner has the right to determine how they should be spelled or pronounced. I was only pointing out the ways in which Russian makes up for the lack of a J sound. That's interesting if he spelled it like that, that sounds more like "yaseef" tho. Would be cool to find out Smile

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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 17:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

מה עם הרוסי מדבר על הלוח בזמן האחרון?

ליברלים מראים את הצבעים האמתיים שלהם?
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PostPosted: 11/08/04 - 17:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, enough with the gay russian text.
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