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Eduin
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 Posted: 04/23/04 - 17:24 Post subject: Kill Bill 2 - visual masterpiece, film failure!
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Bah, I say. f*****g Tarantino is losing the plot.
Vol 1 was an exercise in style with incredible good set pieces. Vol 2 could have worked if he had included some better dialogue (more in style with his previous 3 movies) but as it was the verbal exchanges were a huge let down for a Tarantino film. At times I got the impression he'd let the actors improv lines - which *always* looks forced, even when it's Brando and De Niro.
The only really good point were the Pai Mei scenes, funny dialogue, and *excellent* homage to Sonny Chiba films. It would have been even better if he'd actually used Sonny Chiba for this part but oh well, Hanzo was cool enough.
The biggest problem with part 2 is that supposedly it's still a Kung Fu movie but there isn't any Kung Fu in it. Just a lot of leaden dialogue.
The whole thing (and I thought this during part 1 which I did like but thought was overly long) would have been *far* better if he'd condensed it all into a single 2 to 2.5 hour movie. As it is, the whole thing is too flawed to even be a decent effort apart from fleeting moments and the integration of various film making styles.
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Eduin
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 17:24 Post subject:
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Wow.
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Confused
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 17:26 Post subject:
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Wow.
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khrath
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 17:28 Post subject:
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wtf ever she did the heart punch thing dude
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Xarpolis
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 17:34 Post subject:
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why are you back?
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khrath
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 17:36 Post subject:
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i never left, why are you?
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Xarpolis
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 17:41 Post subject:
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I was told there were twinkies...
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Syke
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 18:04 Post subject:
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Twinkies?! where?!
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Luturb
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 18:18 Post subject:
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The twinkies were a dirty lie. They are actually those poisonous pink coconut covered things.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 18:38 Post subject: Re: Kill Bill 2 - visual masterpiece, film failure!
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| Eduin wrote: | Bah, I say. f*****g Tarantino is losing the plot.
Vol 1 was an exercise in style with incredible good set pieces. Vol 2 could have worked if he had included some better dialogue (more in style with his previous 3 movies) but as it was the verbal exchanges were a huge let down for a Tarantino film. At times I got the impression he'd let the actors improv lines - which *always* looks forced, even when it's Brando and De Niro.
The only really good point were the Pai Mei scenes, funny dialogue, and *excellent* homage to Sonny Chiba films. It would have been even better if he'd actually used Sonny Chiba for this part but oh well, Hanzo was cool enough.
The biggest problem with part 2 is that supposedly it's still a Kung Fu movie but there isn't any Kung Fu in it. Just a lot of leaden dialogue.
The whole thing (and I thought this during part 1 which I did like but thought was overly long) would have been *far* better if he'd condensed it all into a single 2 to 2.5 hour movie. As it is, the whole thing is too flawed to even be a decent effort apart from fleeting moments and the integration of various film making styles.
Regards,
Eduin |
Nay, friend from across the seas! Part 1 was an exercise in style, Part 2 was an exercise in Beatrix Kiddo, and character in general. While in Part 1 we see her as angry and vengeful, in Part 2 we finally get the entire depth of her emotion: anger, vengeance, helplessness, frustration, sorrow, hope and finally gratefulness.
Bill was nearly as deep. He wasn't your cardboard villain. His two sides were baffling. I wonder, if Beatrix had decided to forgo her vengeance at the end for the sake of her daughter, could she and Bill have lived together in peace, for the sake of her daughter? Or would Bill have tried to kill her again? Did he still love her, and secretly hope she wouldn't take vengeance after seeing her daughter and the way he loved her as much as any good father could?
Michael Madsen was great as the overweight, former assassin whose best years are gone, now working like a chump in ignominy. The way his boss totally owned him, and he, impotent to do anything, was great. Would he have taken that kind of shit 4 years ago? I doubt it.
Anyways, I thought Part 2 was the better movie, although Part 1 was more entertaining, if that makes any sense.
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Xarpolis
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 18:41 Post subject:
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I like girls myself.
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GruntingCod
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Posted: 04/23/04 - 19:42 Post subject:
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I wouldn't hesitate to kill Eduin IRL. Not for this but for his stupidity in which is comming from me of all people.
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LerraLove
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 02:37 Post subject:
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Bill had a lisp 
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principessa
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 09:07 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Twinkies?! where?! |
Here in South Arkansas, we had a Daffodil Festival a few weeks back...one of the "delicacies" you could purchase from the food vendors was a deep-fried Twinkie.....
No, I didn't. I ran away. Fast.
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Fanelien
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 11:19 Post subject: Re: Kill Bill 2 - visual masterpiece, film failure!
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Eduin wrote: | Bah, I say. f*****g Tarantino is losing the plot.
Vol 1 was an exercise in style with incredible good set pieces. Vol 2 could have worked if he had included some better dialogue (more in style with his previous 3 movies) but as it was the verbal exchanges were a huge let down for a Tarantino film. At times I got the impression he'd let the actors improv lines - which *always* looks forced, even when it's Brando and De Niro.
The only really good point were the Pai Mei scenes, funny dialogue, and *excellent* homage to Sonny Chiba films. It would have been even better if he'd actually used Sonny Chiba for this part but oh well, Hanzo was cool enough.
The biggest problem with part 2 is that supposedly it's still a Kung Fu movie but there isn't any Kung Fu in it. Just a lot of leaden dialogue.
The whole thing (and I thought this during part 1 which I did like but thought was overly long) would have been *far* better if he'd condensed it all into a single 2 to 2.5 hour movie. As it is, the whole thing is too flawed to even be a decent effort apart from fleeting moments and the integration of various film making styles.
Regards,
Eduin |
Nay, friend from across the seas! Part 1 was an exercise in style, Part 2 was an exercise in Beatrix Kiddo, and character in general. While in Part 1 we see her as angry and vengeful, in Part 2 we finally get the entire depth of her emotion: anger, vengeance, helplessness, frustration, sorrow, hope and finally gratefulness.
Bill was nearly as deep. He wasn't your cardboard villain. His two sides were baffling. I wonder, if Beatrix had decided to forgo her vengeance at the end for the sake of her daughter, could she and Bill have lived together in peace, for the sake of her daughter? Or would Bill have tried to kill her again? Did he still love her, and secretly hope she wouldn't take vengeance after seeing her daughter and the way he loved her as much as any good father could?
Michael Madsen was great as the overweight, former assassin whose best years are gone, now working like a chump in ignominy. The way his boss totally owned him, and he, impotent to do anything, was great. Would he have taken that kind of shit 4 years ago? I doubt it.
Anyways, I thought Part 2 was the better movie, although Part 1 was more entertaining, if that makes any sense. |
Agreed, but he spent far, far too much time on Budd's downtrodden emotional state, just seeing him having a chat with Bill was enough.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 11:26 Post subject:
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I read this post now knowing who wrote it, initially, and when i finally did get to looking at who wrote it I realized no educated reponse is needed for this thread, after all.. its eduin.
d*****s
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Oobs
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 13:43 Post subject:
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Part one and part two are actually the same movie, not a sequel. When it was shot it was suppose to be one movie, not two. He didn't shoot it any different, you're just watching a different part of the movie, the parts where they actually explain what is going on... the plot.
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Fanelien
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 13:57 Post subject:
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My one gripe would be the fact that they never really explored the "honour system" Bill applies to his line of work, as originally depicted in one of the early scenes of volume one.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 15:51 Post subject:
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| Fanelien wrote: | | My one gripe would be the fact that they never really explored the "honour system" Bill applies to his line of work, as originally depicted in one of the early scenes of volume one. |
My gripe is that we never got to see **** scenes such as: Bill/Elle Driver, Kiddo/Pai Mei, O-Ren/Buck, That Old Pimp Guy/That w***e With The Weird Lips.
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Fanelien
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 18:13 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Fanelien wrote: | | My one gripe would be the fact that they never really explored the "honour system" Bill applies to his line of work, as originally depicted in one of the early scenes of volume one. |
My gripe is that we never got to see **** scenes such as: Bill/Elle Driver, Kiddo/Pai Mei, O-Ren/Buck, That Old Pimp Guy/That w***e With The Weird Lips. |
Hahah, why in god's name would Pai Mei f**k Kiddo? he'd quicker kill her than f**k her.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 04/24/04 - 19:11 Post subject:
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| Fanelien wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Fanelien wrote: | | My one gripe would be the fact that they never really explored the "honour system" Bill applies to his line of work, as originally depicted in one of the early scenes of volume one. |
My gripe is that we never got to see **** scenes such as: Bill/Elle Driver, Kiddo/Pai Mei, O-Ren/Buck, That Old Pimp Guy/That w***e With The Weird Lips. |
Hahah, why in god's name would Pai Mei f**k Kiddo? he'd quicker kill her than f**k her. |
Because he hasn't f****d anyone in 900 years?
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Fanelien
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Posted: 04/25/04 - 07:32 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Fanelien wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Fanelien wrote: | | My one gripe would be the fact that they never really explored the "honour system" Bill applies to his line of work, as originally depicted in one of the early scenes of volume one. |
My gripe is that we never got to see **** scenes such as: Bill/Elle Driver, Kiddo/Pai Mei, O-Ren/Buck, That Old Pimp Guy/That w***e With The Weird Lips. |
Hahah, why in god's name would Pai Mei f**k Kiddo? he'd quicker kill her than f**k her. |
Because he hasn't f****d anyone in 900 years? |
A valid point, but he hates American b*****s(and the f****n' japs" as he put it.
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Tex
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Posted: 04/25/04 - 22:18 Post subject:
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| ATM Banana wrote: | I read this post now knowing who wrote it, initially, and when i finally did get to looking at who wrote it I realized no educated reponse is needed for this thread, after all.. its eduin.
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Way to not disappoint.
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Xarpolis
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Posted: 04/25/04 - 22:26 Post subject:
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Dude, the facial herpies lip b***h was the hot shit. I could almost SEE the sours bubbling into a blissful state of puss-licking enjoyment.
God damn did I wanna do her. And sample the sacred fruit her lip produces.
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Tex
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Posted: 04/26/04 - 10:14 Post subject:
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I don't think that was facial herpies. I thought it was where Estban cut her face off, like he was telling Kiddo he would have done to her if he was Bill.
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Posted: 04/26/04 - 10:15 Post subject:
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I think he split the b*****s lip.
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