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Spiritz
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 Posted: 03/23/06 - 00:46 Post subject: Keystroke Logger & Network Monitor
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Anyone know of a decent keystroke logger and also a decent tool that will monitor, real time, internet traffic/usage across a network?
Not looking for enterprise level shit here ot anything.
Thanks in advance.
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 00:49 Post subject:
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I will save you time and trouble. Yes, she is cheating on you.
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Pags
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 00:50 Post subject:
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lol, i was going to ask, who are you stalking?
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Spiritz
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 00:55 Post subject:
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Hah I need a significant other in order to be cheated on 
But indeed I am spying. Just not on a h0. It's a work thang. Links to programs pls!
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 01:03 Post subject:
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It's easy enough to google the programs. Not so easy to explain why you're doing what you do when you get caught. Be sure to come up with a good defense when someone asks you why you're trying to steal credit card information, passwords and personal logins to email accounts. If you record anything, you're assumed to have recorded everything.
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Spiritz
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 01:17 Post subject:
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I'm self employeed and I have some people do some work for me on a contract basis from my house. I want to monitor them.
I've googled the stuff, I'm just curious if people have any personal experience and thus can recommend one thing or another.
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atarom
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 06:07 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | I will save you time and trouble. Yes, she is cheating on you. |
i wish i lived near you so we could hang out dunn. you rock my world so hard. we need to drink more beer.
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kemble
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 08:29 Post subject:
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www.spectorsoft.com I use spector pro. Its under $100 and its all you need and more.
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principessa
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 08:59 Post subject:
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..and I naively ask...is it legal to monitor employees without their knowledge? Even contract employees? Do they sign a waiver at the beginning that says they MAY be monitored?
Just curious, guys...I know some legalities to do with computers/internet/email are fuzzy....
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motherface
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 09:57 Post subject: Re: Keystroke Logger & Network Monitor
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| Spiritz wrote: | Anyone know of a decent keystroke logger and also a decent tool that will monitor, real time, internet traffic/usage across a network?
Not looking for enterprise level shit here ot anything.
Thanks in advance. |
Ethereal is a good packet sniffer, but I don't know about software-based keyloggers.
http://gore-research.com/products/fingerprints/ is what showed up in a G search for keyloggers.
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khrath
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 10:16 Post subject:
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If you really want a good suite to monitor people, do like kemble said, and pay a little money for something good.
It can be written off on your taxes, it's work related =p
There's really no point though, if you aren't happy with them, you wont be any happier if you don't find anything, may as well look for someone else to do it =p
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Mindbinder
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 10:23 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | It's easy enough to google the programs. Not so easy to explain why you're doing what you do when you get caught. Be sure to come up with a good defense when someone asks you why you're trying to steal credit card information, passwords and personal logins to email accounts. If you record anything, you're assumed to have recorded everything. |
Not that I am aware of any such presumption in the law... lets go with it. Even if the proposed presumption were to operate as a mater of law, the real question is, "Is it unlaw to record under the circumstance?" This is not a simple question to answer do to the multitude of factors that are examined. Is the PC(s) in question being used in a business establishment that presents a understanding that the employees, be they salary or contracted, are afforded a REOP (reasonable expectation of privacy) when using the PC's or, is the opposite true, or finally, no understanding reagrding the matter?
If you walk into to a library and saddle up to the nearest pc and log on to email, do you think everyone in the place expects that you should have a right to privacy with regards to that email? Sure, its commonly understood, but what happens if you walk in off the street to use a PC in a business, or heaven forbid osmeones home.... then what? I think you will find that you can not expect the same level of privacy under these conditions. The final point I would like to make is this... What wouldbe your action against this gentleman for recording anything on a PC that he owns? Suppose he discovers some untoward use of the PC or lordy hallolluya some criminal activity. He contacts the cops and presents what he has discovered. This takes us back to the above quote where supposedly the gentleman would have just gotten "caught" by his own eagerness to protect his property and possibly the theft of his own information correct? So now will the cops lock him up? Will they ask him to endure the "not so easy" task of explianing why and where he got the information? and would the alleged offenders join hands with the cops and say as a further insult we would like the evidence excluded because it was an unreasonable search and seizure!??
I think not....
The cops would ask where did you get it and why. After a short, not so painful response, they would say, we're too busy to f**k with that stuff... goto the federal boys... =P or they may actually say cool we're all over it we will talk with the prosecutor and obtain an arrest warrant post haste. As for the badboys wanting the evidence excluded.... to bad so sad go home and f**k your dad. 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure only apply where the govt is the actor. A private individual may obtain information in what would otherwise be unlaw for the govt to do, but the govt once in possession of the information may use it to prosecute.
So, hook that program up if you like and track everything that occurs on a PC within your possession and control. But........like Princi eluded to, it may not be a bad idea to pop a lil note in the corner that ALL ACTIVITY ON THIS PC IS SUBJECT TO BEING RECORDED.... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Here endeth the lesson.
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Occulis
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 10:33 Post subject:
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| Mindbinder wrote: | | Occulis wrote: | | It's easy enough to google the programs. Not so easy to explain why you're doing what you do when you get caught. Be sure to come up with a good defense when someone asks you why you're trying to steal credit card information, passwords and personal logins to email accounts. If you record anything, you're assumed to have recorded everything. |
Not that I am aware of any such presumption in the law... lets go with it. Even if the proposed presumption were to operate as a mater of law, the real question is, "Is it unlaw to record under the circumstance?" This is not a simple question to answer do to the multitude of factors that are examined. Is the PC(s) in question being used in a business establishment that presents a understanding that the employees, be they salary or contracted, are afforded a REOP (reasonable expectation of privacy) when using the PC's or, is the opposite true, or finally, no understanding reagrding the matter?
If you walk into to a library and saddle up to the nearest pc and log on to email, do you think everyone in the place expects that you should have a right to privacy with regards to that email? Sure, its commonly understood, but what happens if you walk in off the street to use a PC in a business, or heaven forbid osmeones home.... then what? I think you will find that you can not expect the same level of privacy under these conditions. The final point I would like to make is this... What wouldbe your action against this gentleman for recording anything on a PC that he owns? Suppose he discovers some untoward use of the PC or lordy hallolluya some criminal activity. He contacts the cops and presents what he has discovered. This takes us back to the above quote where supposedly the gentleman would have just gotten "caught" by his own eagerness to protect his property and possibly the theft of his own information correct? So now will the cops lock him up? Will they ask him to endure the "not so easy" task of explianing why and where he got the information? and would the alleged offenders join hands with the cops and say as a further insult we would like the evidence excluded because it was an unreasonable search and seizure!??
I think not....
The cops would ask where did you get it and why. After a short, not so painful response, they would say, we're too busy to f**k with that stuff... goto the federal boys... =P or they may actually say cool we're all over it we will talk with the prosecutor and obtain an arrest warrant post haste. As for the badboys wanting the evidence excluded.... to bad so sad go home and f**k your dad. 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure only apply where the govt is the actor. A private individual may obtain information in what would otherwise be unlaw for the govt to do, but the govt once in possession of the information may use it to prosecute.
So, hook that program up if you like and track everything that occurs on a PC within your possession and control. But........like Princi eluded to, it may not be a bad idea to pop a lil note in the corner that ALL ACTIVITY ON THIS PC IS SUBJECT TO BEING RECORDED.... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Here endeth the lesson. |
Hello newcomer to realpoor! Please include more pornography in posts which exceed 50 words in length.
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Ishmael
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 11:10 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | Mindbinder wrote: | | Occulis wrote: | | It's easy enough to google the programs. Not so easy to explain why you're doing what you do when you get caught. Be sure to come up with a good defense when someone asks you why you're trying to steal credit card information, passwords and personal logins to email accounts. If you record anything, you're assumed to have recorded everything. |
Not that I am aware of any such presumption in the law... lets go with it. Even if the proposed presumption were to operate as a mater of law, the real question is, "Is it unlaw to record under the circumstance?" This is not a simple question to answer do to the multitude of factors that are examined. Is the PC(s) in question being used in a business establishment that presents a understanding that the employees, be they salary or contracted, are afforded a REOP (reasonable expectation of privacy) when using the PC's or, is the opposite true, or finally, no understanding reagrding the matter?
If you walk into to a library and saddle up to the nearest pc and log on to email, do you think everyone in the place expects that you should have a right to privacy with regards to that email? Sure, its commonly understood, but what happens if you walk in off the street to use a PC in a business, or heaven forbid osmeones home.... then what? I think you will find that you can not expect the same level of privacy under these conditions. The final point I would like to make is this... What wouldbe your action against this gentleman for recording anything on a PC that he owns? Suppose he discovers some untoward use of the PC or lordy hallolluya some criminal activity. He contacts the cops and presents what he has discovered. This takes us back to the above quote where supposedly the gentleman would have just gotten "caught" by his own eagerness to protect his property and possibly the theft of his own information correct? So now will the cops lock him up? Will they ask him to endure the "not so easy" task of explianing why and where he got the information? and would the alleged offenders join hands with the cops and say as a further insult we would like the evidence excluded because it was an unreasonable search and seizure!??
I think not....
The cops would ask where did you get it and why. After a short, not so painful response, they would say, we're too busy to f**k with that stuff... goto the federal boys... =P or they may actually say cool we're all over it we will talk with the prosecutor and obtain an arrest warrant post haste. As for the badboys wanting the evidence excluded.... to bad so sad go home and f**k your dad. 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure only apply where the govt is the actor. A private individual may obtain information in what would otherwise be unlaw for the govt to do, but the govt once in possession of the information may use it to prosecute.
So, hook that program up if you like and track everything that occurs on a PC within your possession and control. But........like Princi eluded to, it may not be a bad idea to pop a lil note in the corner that ALL ACTIVITY ON THIS PC IS SUBJECT TO BEING RECORDED.... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Here endeth the lesson. |
Hello newcomer to realpoor! Please include more pornography in posts which exceed 50 words in length. |
preferabbly somewheres in the middle so that my attention is regained, and/or I can just skip to the porn, look, and then move on.
And yah ethereal isn't bad, and I'll check the name of the keylogger my boss used when I get back o work today, but it was pretty good. It was one of those physical ones I think, that would automatically email him logs so that he didn't have to be at the computer in order to check. Also I don't know if it is like this for all of them, but when he was using it he said he had to make an exception in the antivirus software, or it always popped up with a damn virus warning.
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motherface
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 12:21 Post subject:
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If you suspect a single employee, just put tightVNC on his box.
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khrath
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 12:33 Post subject:
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your mom isn't tight
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motherface
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 13:48 Post subject:
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How do you know th... oh.
Shit.
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Thenger
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 14:48 Post subject:
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Lets be honest, he just wants to see if they have any porn sites they visit, and if so he wants to get their user name and password!!! And then share it with us! 
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Spiritz
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 15:57 Post subject:
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Kemble that software package does seem nice. In fact I checked it out but I can't seem to get it to actually start recording. If it's tight I might end up getting the network version but for now I'm not even getting the single version to record right.
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 17:41 Post subject:
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| principessa wrote: | ..and I naively ask...is it legal to monitor employees without their knowledge? Even contract employees? Do they sign a waiver at the beginning that says they MAY be monitored?
Just curious, guys...I know some legalities to do with computers/internet/email are fuzzy.... |
Absolutely it is.
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Thenger
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 18:05 Post subject:
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| principessa wrote: | ..and I naively ask...is it legal to monitor employees without their knowledge? Even contract employees? Do they sign a waiver at the beginning that says they MAY be monitored?
Just curious, guys...I know some legalities to do with computers/internet/email are fuzzy.... |
They have a right to know if you use their computers, equipment to do things that are not work related.
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Spiritz
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 18:17 Post subject:
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Yea you work for someone, using their gear... it's their right to know.
Here's a little gem of knowledge for those in the dark... always assume your employer see's everything you do on your computer. This includes (at minimum) reading your emails (sent and received) and also knowing what sites you visit. If you think your safe at work, you're a fool.
Unless of course you run the IT department.
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motherface
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 18:23 Post subject:
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| Spiritz wrote: | Yea you work for someone, using their gear... it's their right to know.
Here's a little gem of knowledge for those in the dark... always assume your employer see's everything you do on your computer. This includes (at minimum) reading your emails (sent and received) and also knowing what sites you visit. If you think your safe at work, you're a fool.
Unless of course you run the IT department. |
That's why at a minimum you should send all non-work traffic over an encrypted proxy tunneled to your house.
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kemble
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 22:03 Post subject:
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| principessa wrote: | ..and I naively ask...is it legal to monitor employees without their knowledge? Even contract employees? Do they sign a waiver at the beginning that says they MAY be monitored?
Just curious, guys...I know some legalities to do with computers/internet/email are fuzzy.... |
Short answer. Yes. Its legal to monitor all computer activity and phone conversations without a disclaimer or having employees sign anything.
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kemble
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 22:07 Post subject:
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| Spiritz wrote: | | Kemble that software package does seem nice. In fact I checked it out but I can't seem to get it to actually start recording. If it's tight I might end up getting the network version but for now I'm not even getting the single version to record right. |
Spiritz: there is a checkbox to tell it to start recording IIRC. What I do is have all the logs and screenshots recorded to a network share so that if I am browsing a users usage it doesn't affect their computer's performance. I've been using spector for a couple years now and its been great. You can also set it up to monitor for keywords and it will send you an email alert if that word is ever encountered in an email, webpage or keystroke.
If you need any help shoot me an email or PM
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principessa
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 22:12 Post subject:
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| kemble wrote: | | principessa wrote: | ..and I naively ask...is it legal to monitor employees without their knowledge? Even contract employees? Do they sign a waiver at the beginning that says they MAY be monitored?
Just curious, guys...I know some legalities to do with computers/internet/email are fuzzy.... |
Short answer. Yes. Its legal to monitor all computer activity and phone conversations without a disclaimer or having employees sign anything. |
I had a look at our computer/internet policy at work today. It does mention that we should not assume anything to be private, blah blah.
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motherface
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Posted: 03/23/06 - 22:37 Post subject:
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| principessa wrote: | | kemble wrote: | | principessa wrote: | ..and I naively ask...is it legal to monitor employees without their knowledge? Even contract employees? Do they sign a waiver at the beginning that says they MAY be monitored?
Just curious, guys...I know some legalities to do with computers/internet/email are fuzzy.... |
Short answer. Yes. Its legal to monitor all computer activity and phone conversations without a disclaimer or having employees sign anything. |
I had a look at our computer/internet policy at work today. It does mention that we should not assume anything to be private, blah blah. |
It's their network, they're paying for it, they own it. That said, there is still debate and I believe some courts have even ruled that in some cases, even when all the equipment is owned by the employer, the user is entitled to privacy.
I can't find what I'm looking for atm but here's a page with general infoz:
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm
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Eindar
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Going to work is like entering a foreign country, and your ID is your Passport. For all intents and purposes, you are trading your rights for a paying job. The reason this is acceptable under the law is because, at any time, you can quit the job. As far as I understand, as long as the employer isn't doing anything criminal to you, they are well within their rights to do just about whatever they want in their own workplace, including monitoring you without your permission (this doesn't apply to public sector employees, of course).
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Luturb
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This thread has been here a couple days, yet I haven't posted in it. Weird.
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Ishmael
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Posted: 03/27/06 - 13:22 Post subject:
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| Luturb wrote: | | This thread has been here a couple days, yet I haven't posted in it. Weird. |
I get that feeling sometimes too, but not for this particular thread.
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