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Luke Warm

Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 232
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 08:51 Post subject: Kerry and "His military"
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Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,,Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.
There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.
His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
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On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution! 's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
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Buckshot
Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 09:41 Post subject:
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irrelevant
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Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:05 Post subject:
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it's nice that you would support someone who breaks laws =) anarchy is the way to go..
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Orbit
Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:17 Post subject:
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| Teutates wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | irrelevant |
it's nice that you would support someone who breaks laws =) anarchy is the way to go.. |
Kinda like Bush and his Coke and drinking problems?
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Scrabler
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002 Posts: 2660
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:19 Post subject:
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| Orbit wrote: | | Teutates wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | irrelevant |
it's nice that you would support someone who breaks laws =) anarchy is the way to go.. |
Kinda like Bush and his Coke and drinking problems?  |
Lol nice coke "fact". And when did drinking become illegal?
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Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:27 Post subject:
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ok .. doing coke and drinking compared to -->>>
| Quote: | | Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate. |
yeah.... thats comparable =)
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Orbit
Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:36 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Teutates wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | irrelevant |
it's nice that you would support someone who breaks laws =) anarchy is the way to go.. |
Kinda like Bush and his Coke and drinking problems?  |
Lol nice coke "fact". And when did drinking become illegal? |
When you drive.
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Orbit
Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:37 Post subject:
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| Teutates wrote: | ok .. doing coke and drinking compared to -->>>
| Quote: | | Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate. |
yeah.... thats comparable =) |
Prove it. Such b******t you all try to bring out.. Scared?
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Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 11:37 Post subject:
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| Orbit wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Teutates wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | irrelevant |
it's nice that you would support someone who breaks laws =) anarchy is the way to go.. |
Kinda like Bush and his Coke and drinking problems?  |
Lol nice coke "fact". And when did drinking become illegal? |
When you drive.  |
rofl
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Rennol
RealPoor Guru

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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 13:46 Post subject:
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Yes, Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
But he's running for president and only you have brought this up. Something tells me that we're in the realm of innuendo, misinformation and gossip.
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Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 13:58 Post subject:
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No i was in the first Iraqi war where i had a good friend die in my arms after being shot and bleed out before we could get back. So, even to have these alligations brought up and have him turn back and forth on the subject, say's something to me about his character.
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 13:59 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | Yes, Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
But he's running for president and only you have brought this up. Something tells me that we're in the realm of innuendo, misinformation and gossip. |
Kerry has done a few things that are illegal under the UCMJ but the media doesn't bring it up.
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Qaldyin
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 15:11 Post subject:
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Maybe they would have, if it wasn't b******t.
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Luke Warm

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 20:23 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | Yes, Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
But he's running for president and only you have brought this up. Something tells me that we're in the realm of innuendo, misinformation and gossip. |
This was a big story outside of the MSM a few months back, Kerry was in a leadership position of the VVAW where members started advocating to assinate political leaders that supported the war. Kerry never supported them and resigned from the VVAW around this time. There are claims of FBI files that show he was there. The reason people were upset about this is that he did not report people that were advocating the violent overthrow of the government.
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median
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Joined: 16 Oct 2002 Posts: 2183
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Posted: 10/16/04 - 20:26 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Teutates wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | irrelevant |
it's nice that you would support someone who breaks laws =) anarchy is the way to go.. |
Kinda like Bush and his Coke and drinking problems?  |
Lol nice coke "fact". And when did drinking become illegal? |
it is for you, little man.
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Rennol
RealPoor Guru

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Posted: 10/16/04 - 21:40 Post subject:
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| median wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Orbit wrote: | | Teutates wrote: | | Buckshot wrote: | | irrelevant |
it's nice that you would support someone who breaks laws =) anarchy is the way to go.. |
Kinda like Bush and his Coke and drinking problems?  |
Lol nice coke "fact". And when did drinking become illegal? |
it is for you, little man. |
Scrab - drinking isn't illegal, getting shit-faced and then getting behind the wheel is. Which is what G. W. Bush, Jr. has been accused of doing/being caught doing on some occasions. Hell, I'm sure everyone has, and I don't really give a shit about that. The cocaine thing... my best friends have tried it (I haven't)... I would hesitate to condemn a person I don't know for doing something that I wouldn't condemn people I do know for doing.
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Luke Warm

Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 159
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 17:12 Post subject:
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"..but the media doesn't bring it up"
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b******t, if the media knows it, they bring it up. (laughing at the stupidity of that comment)
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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 17:35 Post subject:
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| SkilledShaman wrote: | "..but the media doesn't bring it up"
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b******t, if the media knows it, they bring it up. (laughing at the stupidity of that comment) |
Oh really..so the main media brings up sKerry's military record in a bad light as much as Bush's? Sure they talk about the Nam Vets against kerry but do they make a big deal about him dealing with the enemy and ADMITTING(and accusing others) to war crimes?
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/17/04 - 17:59 Post subject:
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Scabler
this is a really old dead horse
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