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Confused
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 Posted: 08/20/04 - 10:09 Post subject: KERRY ATTEMPTS TO BAN BOOK!!!!!
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Holy SHIT! Wht the f**k kind of nazi is this???
| DrudgeReport wrote: | The Kerry campaign calls on a publisher to 'withdraw book' written by group of veterans, claiming veterans are lying about Kerry's service in Vietnam and operating as a front organization for Bush. Kerry campaign has told Salon.com that the publisher of UNFIT FOR COMMAND is 'retailing a hoax'... 'No publisher should want to be selling books with proven falsehoods in them,' Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton tells the online mag... Developing...
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This is the #1 book in the country. Kerry is doomed. The nazi-like response from the left is proof.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/new-for-you/top-sellers/-/books/all/ref=pd_ts_a_hot/102-0955419-8409763
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Frax
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 10:17 Post subject:
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Hah nice post.
Too bad liberals would love to ban even more books, especially the ones with historical facts in them or anything that uses a word that they find 'insensitive'.
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Frehya
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 11:24 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | Hah nice post.
Too bad liberals would love to ban even more books, especially the ones with historical facts in them or anything that uses a word that they find 'insensitive'. |
LOL Historically, its been the conservative side wanting to ban books. Particularly in libraries and schools. Catcher in the Rye was a big one. Anything with ****, political, (especially communism eek!) religious views that dont match their particular special view of the way the world should be.
Conservatives, particularly religious groups work over time to try to stamp out the liberal menace in books in the US.
just keep making up your spin and spew. you want so badly to believe it
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Abi
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 11:27 Post subject:
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Man this is great..
anyone else notice the liberals defneding him even here have lost a lot of their luster lately?
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Frehya
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 11:41 Post subject:
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Well i read all this stuff, I think... well there is this part of the bs and that part but... f**k it, its not worth it to spend any time write any thoughts out here. Its truly a waste of time and energy to bother.
I'd rather spend my time chatting with my republican friends that have a bit of respect for the exchange of ideas, to me that is fun, because I learn where they are coming from and they learn about how I (a pretty mainstream liberal) think and we find ways to agree and come up with ideas that might actually work that we both like.
I shown a few of them some of the shit on this board, they are totally perplexed as to why I would waste my time here. I told them I just like to make smart ass remarks here and there, its not a place for "exchange of ideas", its more like dog packs running amuck its a pretty perverse place actually, which carries its own entertainment.
So.. yeah, I've quit saying much that has much of any thought behind it.
This place is best served by Wily and Kbarr posts. 
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 12:02 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | | Frax wrote: | Hah nice post.
Too bad liberals would love to ban even more books, especially the ones with historical facts in them or anything that uses a word that they find 'insensitive'. |
LOL Historically, its been the conservative side wanting to ban books. Particularly in libraries and schools. Catcher in the Rye was a big one. Anything with ****, political, (especially communism eek!) religious views that dont match their particular special view of the way the world should be.
Conservatives, particularly religious groups work over time to try to stamp out the liberal menace in books in the US.
just keep making up your spin and spew. you want so badly to believe it
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Note the difference. Conservatives try to block "smut" (which is not constitutionally protected speech) while encouraging intellectual debate, whereas leftists try to block intellectual debate while encouraging smut.
Which is better? I guess left-wing relatvisitism says neither.
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Frehya
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 12:20 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: |
Note the difference. Conservatives try to block "smut" (which is not constitutionally protected speech) while encouraging intellectual debate, whereas leftists try to block intellectual debate while encouraging smut.
Which is better? I guess left-wing relatvisitism says neither. |
uhhhuhh.....
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 12:29 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | | Confused wrote: |
Note the difference. Conservatives try to block "smut" (which is not constitutionally protected speech) while encouraging intellectual debate, whereas leftists try to block intellectual debate while encouraging smut.
Which is better? I guess left-wing relatvisitism says neither. |
uhhhuhh..... |
Yup...
The left's free speech "champion":
And conservatives':
They're both the same to you, though.
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Frehya
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 12:43 Post subject:
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omg my smut hero!
I gotta get you some more brushes, that ONE you are using to paint everything is looking rather worn
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Frax
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 13:02 Post subject:
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You have to admit Frehya, its pretty funny that Kerry is having an all out assault on this book. Must be something he wants to hide.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 13:27 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | omg my smut hero!
I gotta get you some more brushes, that ONE you are using to paint everything is looking rather worn |
I'm right. That makes you feel threatened.
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xeqer
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 13:28 Post subject:
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Weird...a movie filled with lies is a called a documentary, but a book written by a group a veterans has a lawsuit filed against it.
The truth is a valid defense against libel charges.
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Abi
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 13:33 Post subject:
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| xeqer wrote: | Weird...a movie filled with lies is a called a documentary, but a book written by a group a veterans has a lawsuit filed against it.
The truth is a valid defense against libel charges. |
Yea .. makes a lot of sense doesn't it...
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Frehya
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 14:41 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Frehya wrote: | omg my smut hero!
I gotta get you some more brushes, that ONE you are using to paint everything is looking rather worn |
I'm right. That makes you feel threatened. |
I'd have to take you seriously for that to even begin to happen.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 14:43 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | You have to admit Frehya, its pretty funny that Kerry is having an all out assault on this book. Must be something he wants to hide. |
That says it all right there.
That tells you everything you need to know.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 15:16 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Frehya wrote: | omg my smut hero!
I gotta get you some more brushes, that ONE you are using to paint everything is looking rather worn |
I'm right. That makes you feel threatened. |
I'd have to take you seriously for that to even begin to happen. |
You've set up a psychological barrier to the truth. I don't expect you to let me in. You just can't take it.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 15:39 Post subject:
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I woudln't be suprised if kerry has reason to react this way
but he might just be protecting his campaign and his image (wich isn't always based on facts)
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Fabulez
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 15:55 Post subject:
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| Fabulez wrote: | | http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0601-01.htm |
You're very stupid. Read a history book sometime. And please stop posting links to blatantly partisan web sites. Nobody (except maybe Wily) is fooled.
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Abi
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:07 Post subject:
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Like most Liberal Rhetoric, I got past about the first paragraph before it all just became .. blah blah blah blah blah...
That guy doesn't even know proper history. Pathetic...
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:19 Post subject:
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| Abi wrote: | Like most Liberal Rhetoric, I got past about the first paragraph before it all just became .. blah blah blah blah blah...
That guy doesn't even know proper history. Pathetic... |
Hahahhaha! "Proper" history!
The guy that wrote that is a knee-j**k "leftist" just like you knee-j**k "rightists." Jerks on both sides. Abi, I'm assuming you haven't read anything by John Locke.
Thank you, Confused, for the implication that I don't read history. And for constantly confusing my views with those of people who write things I link to.
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xeqer
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:21 Post subject:
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| Quote: | For Immediate Release August 19, 2004
Statement By Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Member Larry Thurlow
I am convinced that the language used in my citation for a Bronze Star was language taken directly from John Kerry's report which falsely described the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small arms fire and automatic weapons fire from both banks of the river.
To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other accounts from my shipmates-there was no hostile enemy fire directed at my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.
I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action report describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the only officer who filed a report describing his version of the incidents that occurred on the river that day.
It was not until I had left the Navy-approximately three months after I left the service-that I was notified that I was to receive a citation for my actions on that day.
I believed then as I believe now that I received my Bronze Star for my efforts to rescue the injured crewmen from swift boat number three and to conduct damage control to prevent that boat from sinking. My boat and several other swift boats went to the aid of our fellow swift boat sailors whose craft was adrift and taking on water. We provided immediate rescue and damage control to prevent boat three from sinking and to offer immediate protection and comfort to the injured crew.
After the mine exploded, leaving swift boat three dead in the water, John Kerry's boat, which was on the opposite side of the river, fled the scene. US Army Special Forces officer Jim Rassmann, who was on Kerry's boat at the time, fell off the boat and into the water. Kerry's boat returned several minutes later-under no hail of enemy gunfire-to retrieve Rassmann from the river only seconds before another boat was going to pick him up.
Kerry campaign spokespersons have conflicting accounts of this incident-the latest one being that Kerry's boat did leave but only briefly and returned under withering enemy fire to rescue Mr. Rassmann. However, none of the other boats on the river that day reported enemy fire nor was anyone wounded by small arms action. The only damage on that day was done to boat three-a result of the underwater mine. None of the other swift boats received damage from enemy gunfire.
And in a new development, Kerry campaign officials are now finally acknowledging that while Kerry's boat left the scene, none of the other boats on the river ever left the damaged swift boat. This is a direct contradiction to previous accounts made by Jim Rassmann in the Oregonian newspaper and a direct contradiction to the "No Man Left Behind" theme during the Democratic National Convention.
These ever changing accounts of the Bay Hap River incident by Kerry campaign officials leave me asking one question. If no one ever left the scene of the Bay Hap River incident, how could anyone be left behind?
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Statement by Navy Veteran Van Odell, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
in Rebuttal to Michael Dobbs, Washington Post, August 19, 2004
A courageous, soft spoken man of the Midwest, Larry Thurlow has a heart bigger than the great plains and a commitment to truth and honesty that is boundless. He is under attack, because John Kerry is feeling the heat of truth at the hands of this honest man and others like him.
The Kerry Campaign is attacking the truthfulness of this man and the Bronze Star he so richly deserves for his actions on March 13, 1969. I was there. I saw what happened.
The mine's detonation lifted PCF-3 completely out of the water just yards ahead of me. All boats commenced suppression fire in case enemy small arms fire ensued. None did.
All boats came to the aid of PCF-3, except one: John Kerry's boat. Kerry fled.
Larry Thurlow piloted his boat straight toward the mine-damaged PCF-3 from which thick, black smoke billowed. He jumped aboard and personally led damage control operations that saved the boat and rescue operations that saved the lives of badly wounded men. Larry's leadership was in the highest traditions of the naval service. His leadership allowed the other men and boats of the mission to exit the river safely. This single act of meritorious service -- the chief requirement of the Bronze Star -- should be honored, not ridiculed, by the Kerry campaign and its allies in the mainstream media.
To reiterate, only one enemy weapon was deployed that day -- the command-detonated submerged mine that disabled PCF-3. Larry Thurlow's citation contained references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire," because that was the language chosen by John Kerry who penned the spot report on the action that day. There was no "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" received that day. John Kerry's report was fiction -- a hoax on the entire chain of command. Larry Thurlow's heroism and meritorious service, however, is real.
To me Larry is one of the heroes of our country. He is a man who served his country when called and who returned home to be a productive citizen. Larry and men like him are the strong backbone of our society. I am proud to have served with him.
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Below is a statement from John O'Neill responding to Senator John Kerry's August 19, 2004, attack on The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Mr. O'Neill is the author of Unfit for Command.
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The Navy did not send Republicans or Democrats to the island of An Thoi. We are responding and dealing with something that is deeply personal - our own record and the record of our unit in Vietnam. These are issues Senator Kerry raised and we regret that he uses ad hominem attacks instead of dealing with the actual facts. He is doing that because he can't deal with the truth.
For example, for 35 years he said he claimed that one of the turning points of his life was spending Christmas Eve and Christmas illegally in Cambodia, libeling our commanders and our nation with accusations of war crimes. That is a totally false statement because he was no where near Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas day. The Kerry campaign continues to flip flop on the Cambodia issue.
In addition, Senator Kerry closed the Democratic National Convention with a story in which he claimed that five of the boats fled on March 13 after a mine went off and he came back. His campaign is now admitting that he fled and the rest stayed.
Attacking our organization does not respond to the facts that occurred in Vietnam. Senator Kerry says that he has learned to charge into an ambush in connection with this, instead he is fleeing down the river from the facts.
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:23 Post subject:
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Thank you, Confused, for the implication that I don't read history. And for constantly confusing my views with those of people who write things I link to. |
So you just leave topical leftist links without comment because you disagree with the authors? As Kbarr would say...You're not on the level.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:30 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: | | Thank you, Confused, for the implication that I don't read history. And for constantly confusing my views with those of people who write things I link to. |
So you just leave topical leftist links without comment because you disagree with the authors? As Kbarr would say...You're not on the level. |
I explained this earlier. I am trying to provide more information so people can make up their own minds. This board seems to have a plethora of people providing information slanted towards the right, so generally it's the "leftist" information that is missing. I hold out hope that there are a few people reading this who do actually want to make up their own minds.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:32 Post subject:
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: | | Thank you, Confused, for the implication that I don't read history. And for constantly confusing my views with those of people who write things I link to. |
So you just leave topical leftist links without comment because you disagree with the authors? As Kbarr would say...You're not on the level. |
I explained this earlier. I am trying to provide more information so people can make up their own minds. This board seems to have a plethora of people providing information slanted towards the right, so generally it's the "leftist" information that is missing. I hold out hope that there are a few people reading this who do actually want to make up their own minds. |
and to the left.. well the lefties here are kind of like the short bus crowd but they do try hard! GOLD STARS FOR ALL!
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Confused
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:35 Post subject:
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| Fabulez wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Fabulez wrote: | | Thank you, Confused, for the implication that I don't read history. And for constantly confusing my views with those of people who write things I link to. |
So you just leave topical leftist links without comment because you disagree with the authors? As Kbarr would say...You're not on the level. |
I explained this earlier. I am trying to provide more information so people can make up their own minds. This board seems to have a plethora of people providing information slanted towards the right, so generally it's the "leftist" information that is missing. I hold out hope that there are a few people reading this who do actually want to make up their own minds. |
lol...d*****s. There are 3 people on the right in this whole board who post with any frequency. Me, Kbarr and Frax (with one or two jumping in ever now and then). The left hated it so much that they had to create this forum so they could hide from us. Based on previous polls, this board is approximately 75% leftist. You're one of them. How do I know? Because the links you post do not contain "information". They contain leftist disinformation. You buy into it and that's why you post it without discretion. Like most leftists, you're not on the level.
Edit: Oops! I forgot about Abi on the conservative side. Buy he's gay, so he doesn't really count.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:42 Post subject:
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| Quote: | The veterans' group behind the controversial TV ads that question Sen. John Kerry’s Vietnam war record has extensive ties to President Bush and his family, other high-profile Texas politicians and Bush’s chief political aide — ties that have raised questions about possible illegal coordination between Bush’s re-election campaign and the group.
Described as a “web of connections,” the links between the Bushes and the group were detailed in a Friday piece in the New York Times that also listed inconsistencies in some of the veterans' own public statements on their regard for Kerry.
How the group known as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth "came into existence is a story of how veterans with longstanding anger about Mr. Kerry's antiwar statements in the early 1970s allied themselves with Texas Republicans," The Times said.
The group's ads accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of exaggerating his war record to win war medals and say he is unfit to be president.
"A series of interviews and a review of documents show a web of connections to the Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures and President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove," the Times reported. "Several of those now declaring Mr. Kerry 'unfit' had lavished praise on him, some as recently as last year.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:45 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Quote: | The veterans' group behind the controversial TV ads that question Sen. John Kerry’s Vietnam war record has extensive ties to President Bush and his family, other high-profile Texas politicians and Bush’s chief political aide — ties that have raised questions about possible illegal coordination between Bush’s re-election campaign and the group.
Described as a “web of connections,” the links between the Bushes and the group were detailed in a Friday piece in the New York Times that also listed inconsistencies in some of the veterans' own public statements on their regard for Kerry.
How the group known as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth "came into existence is a story of how veterans with longstanding anger about Mr. Kerry's antiwar statements in the early 1970s allied themselves with Texas Republicans," The Times said.
The group's ads accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of exaggerating his war record to win war medals and say he is unfit to be president.
"A series of interviews and a review of documents show a web of connections to the Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures and President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove," the Times reported. "Several of those now declaring Mr. Kerry 'unfit' had lavished praise on him, some as recently as last year.
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ROFL...The NY Times needs to learn to hide their political misdeeds a little better.
"Someone the Swift Vets for Truth knows someone who knows someone who knows Bush! This must be illegal (once we eventually find some evidence!)"
But the media isn't liberal...I swear. Ok, let the anti-veteran smear campaign continue.
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:47 Post subject:
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THey are connected to him like everyone is connected to Kevin Bacon
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Posted: 08/20/04 - 16:56 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Quote: | The veterans' group behind the controversial TV ads that question Sen. John Kerry’s Vietnam war record has extensive ties to President Bush and his family, other high-profile Texas politicians and Bush’s chief political aide — ties that have raised questions about possible illegal coordination between Bush’s re-election campaign and the group.
Described as a “web of connections,” the links between the Bushes and the group were detailed in a Friday piece in the New York Times that also listed inconsistencies in some of the veterans' own public statements on their regard for Kerry.
How the group known as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth "came into existence is a story of how veterans with longstanding anger about Mr. Kerry's antiwar statements in the early 1970s allied themselves with Texas Republicans," The Times said.
The group's ads accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of exaggerating his war record to win war medals and say he is unfit to be president.
"A series of interviews and a review of documents show a web of connections to the Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures and President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove," the Times reported. "Several of those now declaring Mr. Kerry 'unfit' had lavished praise on him, some as recently as last year.
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Yea...I donated money to swiftvets also. Pretty soon the democRATS will find the connection to Realpoor, idiot.
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