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| Celestra wrote: | | Violator wrote: |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
Why the hell would they?
Do you see nutritional information on the menu or anywhere else for that matter if you go out to dinner in any other restaurant/diner? No.
The only place where nutritional information is readily accessible if you go to the supermarket and buy your food yourself.
And yes lazy parents are awful, but you know what: when I see a family at MacDonalds and even the children are fat I blame the parents. As far as being preyed on: that's what marketing is all about: define your target group and cater to their wishes.
Wish different, and you'll get catered to differently. Such is the name of the game. Don't blame MacDonalds, blame stupid lazy people. |
first off they say they do have it posted in their stores which is not true.
Secondly if the food was remotely decent you would have it such as places like Subway etc.
If you actually cared about the customers you wouldn't target the way McDonalds does, it starts there as well.
Big example is kids, there is blame on the chain as well as the people, but again almighty dollar is the main objective for the business nothing else
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Even if they would put a sign right in front of every McDonalds with the picture of a 300 pounds boy that says : Warning eating here will cause your kid to own this f****s in a few months people would still go there.
people dont give a damn about consequences. don't bother trying to explain their choice or to understand them it's impossible. They want to get fat so let them be.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 11:03 Post subject:
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| Violator wrote: | | Celestra wrote: | | Violator wrote: |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
Why the hell would they?
Do you see nutritional information on the menu or anywhere else for that matter if you go out to dinner in any other restaurant/diner? No.
The only place where nutritional information is readily accessible if you go to the supermarket and buy your food yourself.
And yes lazy parents are awful, but you know what: when I see a family at MacDonalds and even the children are fat I blame the parents. As far as being preyed on: that's what marketing is all about: define your target group and cater to their wishes.
Wish different, and you'll get catered to differently. Such is the name of the game. Don't blame MacDonalds, blame stupid lazy people. |
first off they say they do have it posted in their stores which is not true.
Secondly if the food was remotely decent you would have it such as places like Subway etc.
If you actually cared about the customers you wouldn't target the way McDonalds does, it starts there as well.
Big example is kids, there is blame on the chain as well as the people, but again almight dollar is the main objective for the business nothing else |
There is no blame to be put on McD; you don't have to eat there.
You say the dollar is the main objective like it's the bad thing..isn't that the point?
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| Maelstrom wrote: | Even if they would put a sign right in front of every McDonalds with the picture of a 300 pounds boy that says : Warning eating here will cause your kid to own this f****s in a few months people would still go there.
people dont give a damn about consequences. don't bother trying to explain their choice or to understand them it's impossible. They want to get fat so let them be. |
yup the problem is the parents making the regular choice for their kids to eat junk, not just McDonalds but junk and that sucks
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I dont find any of this amusing. Its not my fault that I eat 13 cheeseburgers, 10 super size fries, and 9 super size cokes a day. McDonalds is the devil. I know there is some kind of drug in the cheese cuz I just cant stop myself from eating that yummy wax. I also love their special meat. The growth hormones in it make my mouth water. I know the meat is high grade cuz why else would they charge 69 cents for it.
Its their fault I go there. Im drawn to the red and yellow land of the hamburgler. I go there in hopes to meet Ronald and the Hamburgler. I have been conditioned since my youth that mcdonalds = happiness.
I weigh close to 400 pounds now and am looking for some legal representation.
BTW if anyone has Marvin Gardens please let me know cuz thats the only piece im missing for the win!
Well, im off to go get my 4 sausage mcpig innards.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 11:06 Post subject:
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| Scrabler wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Celestra wrote: | | Violator wrote: |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
Why the hell would they?
Do you see nutritional information on the menu or anywhere else for that matter if you go out to dinner in any other restaurant/diner? No.
The only place where nutritional information is readily accessible if you go to the supermarket and buy your food yourself.
And yes lazy parents are awful, but you know what: when I see a family at MacDonalds and even the children are fat I blame the parents. As far as being preyed on: that's what marketing is all about: define your target group and cater to their wishes.
Wish different, and you'll get catered to differently. Such is the name of the game. Don't blame MacDonalds, blame stupid lazy people. |
first off they say they do have it posted in their stores which is not true.
Secondly if the food was remotely decent you would have it such as places like Subway etc.
If you actually cared about the customers you wouldn't target the way McDonalds does, it starts there as well.
Big example is kids, there is blame on the chain as well as the people, but again almight dollar is the main objective for the business nothing else |
There is no blame to be put on McD; you don't have to eat there.
You say the dollar is the main objective like it's the bad thing..isn't that the point? |
no I said the dollar is their point, no other but that
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| Galdaria wrote: | I dont find any of this amusing. Its not my fault that I eat 13 cheeseburgers, 10 super size fries, and 9 super size cokes a day. McDonalds is the devil. I know there is some kind of drug in the cheese cuz I just cant stop myself from eating that yummy wax. I also love their special meat. The growth hormones in it make my mouth water. I know the meat is high grade cuz why else would they charge 69 cents for it.
Its their fault I go there. Im drawn to the red and yellow land of the hamburgler. I go there in hopes to meet Ronald and the Hamburgler. I have been conditioned since my youth that mcdonalds = happiness.
I weigh close to 400 pounds now and am looking for some legal representation.
BTW if anyone has Marvin Gardens please let me know cuz thats the only piece im missing for the win!
Well, im off to go get my 4 sausage mcpig innards. |
I like this post
I go there in hopes to meet Ronald and the Hamburgler. I have been conditioned since my youth that mcdonalds = happiness.
Sad thing here for many, many kids is they truly do believe this, you couldn't mention the thought of going to McDonalds to any kid without their face lighting up!
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Maelstrom
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| Violator wrote: | | Scrabler wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Celestra wrote: | | Violator wrote: |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
Why the hell would they?
Do you see nutritional information on the menu or anywhere else for that matter if you go out to dinner in any other restaurant/diner? No.
The only place where nutritional information is readily accessible if you go to the supermarket and buy your food yourself.
And yes lazy parents are awful, but you know what: when I see a family at MacDonalds and even the children are fat I blame the parents. As far as being preyed on: that's what marketing is all about: define your target group and cater to their wishes.
Wish different, and you'll get catered to differently. Such is the name of the game. Don't blame MacDonalds, blame stupid lazy people. |
first off they say they do have it posted in their stores which is not true.
Secondly if the food was remotely decent you would have it such as places like Subway etc.
If you actually cared about the customers you wouldn't target the way McDonalds does, it starts there as well.
Big example is kids, there is blame on the chain as well as the people, but again almight dollar is the main objective for the business nothing else |
There is no blame to be put on McD; you don't have to eat there.
You say the dollar is the main objective like it's the bad thing..isn't that the point? |
no I said the dollar is their point, no other but that |
haha BTW they made a new McDonalds near where I live...in the old one a good majority of the people working there where fat...they now try to go for a more sport oriented look so they added pics of hockey in every damn corner of the place and YES most of the old women who used to work there and who where fat are not there anymore. They hired some cute little whores that weight 80 pounds all dressed.
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Celestra
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 11:18 Post subject:
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| Maelstrom wrote: | Even if they would put a sign right in front of every McDonalds with the picture of a 300 pounds boy that says : Warning eating here will cause your kid to own this f****s in a few months people would still go there.
people dont give a damn about consequences. don't bother trying to explain their choice or to understand them it's impossible. They want to get fat so let them be. |
Exactly.
Smokers have big black letters on their cigarette pack saying it WILL kill them, and they still do it.
If you think people care about THEMSELVES that way, you are sadly mistaken. So why should MacDonalds be responsible in their stead? That's right. They don't have to. People can use their own mind. If they don't, then yay for natural selection & clogged arteries. /shrug
Sorry, I just can't care about people who don't care for themselves.
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| Violator wrote: | | Gethy wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Celestra wrote: | Who's defending MacDonalds?
I'll put it in stronger words: who says MacDonalds even needs defending??
They are doing nothing wrong. They provide a service, that a lot of people want to use. Noone forces them to go there and eat till they're a fat blob. People should take some g*****n responsibility for themselves. Everyone knows if you eat fat shit all the time you will become a fat shit sooner or later.
The fact that something is around you a lot doesn't mean shit. I see many women every day. That doesn't mean I will become a l*****n and eat p***y.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous statement. So is saying that MacDonalds makes you fat. No. YOU are making YOU fat. |
I disagree, not getting behind the product you sell and standing up for it and not avoiding numberous calls regarding his program and saying their food doesn't do this and doesn't do that is b******t.
Why do you think for example McDonalds has their Monopoly game on their fries and shit, to get you to come in there as much as possible and as often as possible to try and win something where you likely have a better chance at getting hit by lightning.
Subliminal messaging owns doesn't it |
That's not subliminal, that's a marketting tool. If McDonald's withheld nutritional information of their products, it'd be a completely different story. Fact is they don't, people just don't care to look.
Hell, if one buys into the idea of silly contests and insidiously mind-numbing songs rather than the greasy treat that it's selling--f**k 'em. |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
And yet every McDonalds in the film that did not have it posted (one in total. Another had them behind a display) quickly provided the info when asked.
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Allow me to reiterate how stupid his experiment was. He would have to consume 11 pounds of pepsi, 67 hamburgers (almost 15 pounds worth) or 6 pounds of chocolate milkshake (their sweetest item) PER DAY in order to successfully consume as much sugar as he claimed to consume!!! Now how many people do you know that eat 67 McDonalds hamburgers a day? Don't you think that just might adversely effect you? Honestly...if he did eat as much as he claimed, I'm surprised he didn't die.
Why not try drinking a gallon of heavy cream every day, then sue the dairy industry for having a heart attack after a week?
Why not eat nothing but Crisco for a month and sue them?
It's a retarded premise.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 11:58 Post subject:
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| Celestra wrote: | | Maelstrom wrote: | Even if they would put a sign right in front of every McDonalds with the picture of a 300 pounds boy that says : Warning eating here will cause your kid to own this f****s in a few months people would still go there.
people dont give a damn about consequences. don't bother trying to explain their choice or to understand them it's impossible. They want to get fat so let them be. |
Exactly.
Smokers have big black letters on their cigarette pack saying it WILL kill them, and they still do it.
If you think people care about THEMSELVES that way, you are sadly mistaken. So why should MacDonalds be responsible in their stead? That's right. They don't have to. People can use their own mind. If they don't, then yay for natural selection & clogged arteries. /shrug
Sorry, I just can't care about people who don't care for themselves. |
Cel I don't disagree with your thoughts but what do you do them in regards to the parents who are filling their kids regularly on the stuff where the kids have no choice where their parents bring them to eat?
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 12:00 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Gethy wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Celestra wrote: | Who's defending MacDonalds?
I'll put it in stronger words: who says MacDonalds even needs defending??
They are doing nothing wrong. They provide a service, that a lot of people want to use. Noone forces them to go there and eat till they're a fat blob. People should take some g*****n responsibility for themselves. Everyone knows if you eat fat shit all the time you will become a fat shit sooner or later.
The fact that something is around you a lot doesn't mean shit. I see many women every day. That doesn't mean I will become a l*****n and eat p***y.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous statement. So is saying that MacDonalds makes you fat. No. YOU are making YOU fat. |
I disagree, not getting behind the product you sell and standing up for it and not avoiding numberous calls regarding his program and saying their food doesn't do this and doesn't do that is b******t.
Why do you think for example McDonalds has their Monopoly game on their fries and shit, to get you to come in there as much as possible and as often as possible to try and win something where you likely have a better chance at getting hit by lightning.
Subliminal messaging owns doesn't it |
That's not subliminal, that's a marketting tool. If McDonald's withheld nutritional information of their products, it'd be a completely different story. Fact is they don't, people just don't care to look.
Hell, if one buys into the idea of silly contests and insidiously mind-numbing songs rather than the greasy treat that it's selling--f**k 'em. |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
And yet every McDonalds in the film that did not have it posted (one in total. Another had them behind a display) quickly provided the info when asked. |
HUH?! Quickly had it available!?!? What movie did you watch? go watch it again and see how many of them were scrambling to even get this, hell one only had it downstairs in their employee room......
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| Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Gethy wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Celestra wrote: | Who's defending MacDonalds?
I'll put it in stronger words: who says MacDonalds even needs defending??
They are doing nothing wrong. They provide a service, that a lot of people want to use. Noone forces them to go there and eat till they're a fat blob. People should take some g*****n responsibility for themselves. Everyone knows if you eat fat shit all the time you will become a fat shit sooner or later.
The fact that something is around you a lot doesn't mean shit. I see many women every day. That doesn't mean I will become a l*****n and eat p***y.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous statement. So is saying that MacDonalds makes you fat. No. YOU are making YOU fat. |
I disagree, not getting behind the product you sell and standing up for it and not avoiding numberous calls regarding his program and saying their food doesn't do this and doesn't do that is b******t.
Why do you think for example McDonalds has their Monopoly game on their fries and shit, to get you to come in there as much as possible and as often as possible to try and win something where you likely have a better chance at getting hit by lightning.
Subliminal messaging owns doesn't it |
That's not subliminal, that's a marketting tool. If McDonald's withheld nutritional information of their products, it'd be a completely different story. Fact is they don't, people just don't care to look.
Hell, if one buys into the idea of silly contests and insidiously mind-numbing songs rather than the greasy treat that it's selling--f**k 'em. |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
And yet every McDonalds in the film that did not have it posted (one in total. Another had them behind a display) quickly provided the info when asked. |
HUH?! Quickly had it available!?!? What movie did you watch? go watch it again and see how many of them were scrambling to even get this, hell one only had it downstairs in their employee room...... |
Yeah...That was the "bad" one. They didn't have it posted, but they handed it to him when he asked for one. Why does it matter that it was downstairs instead of behind the counter?
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| Confused wrote: | Allow me to reiterate how stupid his experiment was. He would have to consume 11 pounds of pepsi, 67 hamburgers (almost 15 pounds worth) or 6 pounds of chocolate milkshake (their sweetest item) PER DAY in order to successfully consume as much sugar as he claimed to consume!!! Now how many people do you know that eat 67 McDonalds hamburgers a day? Don't you think that just might adversely effect you? Honestly...if he did eat as much as he claimed, I'm surprised he didn't die.
Why not try drinking a gallon of heavy cream every day, then sue the dairy industry for having a heart attack after a week?
Why not eat nothing but Crisco for a month and sue them?
It's a retarded premise. |
You miss the point really, the basis of the film isn't solely to see what eating it 3 times a day can or will do to you, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know the shit isn't good for you and will make you feel like shit, some of the facts that did come out of it were pretty interesting, as I said earlier try looking at everything else in the movie besides what he does to himself. Thankfully it wasn't 2 hours of us seeing him eat.
The points you made above make sense naturally, the only point he was making in reference to the lawsuits is the shit can make you fat that is it and nothing more.
Hell in the US someone sued McDonalds for spilling cofffee on themselves because it was hot and won while driving a car.
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Cel I don't disagree with your thoughts but what do you do them in regards to the parents who are filling their kids regularly on the stuff where the kids have no choice where their parents bring them to eat? |
Like I said: I blame the parents. It's sad, but how is it MacDonalds fault that the parents don't take proper care of their kids?
The entire notion that a foodchain is somehow responsible for people being overweight is just mindboggling to me.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 12:08 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Gethy wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Celestra wrote: | Who's defending MacDonalds?
I'll put it in stronger words: who says MacDonalds even needs defending??
They are doing nothing wrong. They provide a service, that a lot of people want to use. Noone forces them to go there and eat till they're a fat blob. People should take some g*****n responsibility for themselves. Everyone knows if you eat fat shit all the time you will become a fat shit sooner or later.
The fact that something is around you a lot doesn't mean shit. I see many women every day. That doesn't mean I will become a l*****n and eat p***y.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous statement. So is saying that MacDonalds makes you fat. No. YOU are making YOU fat. |
I disagree, not getting behind the product you sell and standing up for it and not avoiding numberous calls regarding his program and saying their food doesn't do this and doesn't do that is b******t.
Why do you think for example McDonalds has their Monopoly game on their fries and shit, to get you to come in there as much as possible and as often as possible to try and win something where you likely have a better chance at getting hit by lightning.
Subliminal messaging owns doesn't it |
That's not subliminal, that's a marketting tool. If McDonald's withheld nutritional information of their products, it'd be a completely different story. Fact is they don't, people just don't care to look.
Hell, if one buys into the idea of silly contests and insidiously mind-numbing songs rather than the greasy treat that it's selling--f**k 'em. |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
And yet every McDonalds in the film that did not have it posted (one in total. Another had them behind a display) quickly provided the info when asked. |
HUH?! Quickly had it available!?!? What movie did you watch? go watch it again and see how many of them were scrambling to even get this, hell one only had it downstairs in their employee room...... |
Yeah...That was the "bad" one. They didn't have it posted, but they handed it to him when he asked for one. Why does it matter that it was downstairs instead of behind the counter? |
It doesn't matter to me at all whether they have it posted or not I don't eat fast food, the point shown in regards to that in the movie is McDonalds tells you it is visably posted at all their joints where in actuality it is not.
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| Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | Allow me to reiterate how stupid his experiment was. He would have to consume 11 pounds of pepsi, 67 hamburgers (almost 15 pounds worth) or 6 pounds of chocolate milkshake (their sweetest item) PER DAY in order to successfully consume as much sugar as he claimed to consume!!! Now how many people do you know that eat 67 McDonalds hamburgers a day? Don't you think that just might adversely effect you? Honestly...if he did eat as much as he claimed, I'm surprised he didn't die.
Why not try drinking a gallon of heavy cream every day, then sue the dairy industry for having a heart attack after a week?
Why not eat nothing but Crisco for a month and sue them?
It's a retarded premise. |
You miss the point really, the basis of the film isn't solely to see what eating it 3 times a day can or will do to you, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know the shit isn't good for you and will make you feel like shit, some of the facts that did come out of it were pretty interesting, as I said earlier try looking at everything else in the movie besides what he does to himself. Thankfully it wasn't 2 hours of us seeing him eat.
The points you made above make sense naturally, the only point he was making in reference to the lawsuits is the shit can make you fat that is it and nothing more.
Hell in the US someone sued McDonalds for spilling cofffee on themselves because it was hot and won while driving a car. |
Oh really? I missed the point. Then please tell me what it was. The entire movie focused on only two things: The suppsed adverse health effects of eating 3 McDonalds meals/day (which turns out to be a fraud...it was more like 20 meals/day) and that there is a basis to sue McDonalds over that. He spent a good 25% of the film talking to "experts" who claim the cheese is equivalent to opium, and that the playgrounds are equivalent to giving cigarettes to children.
He tried to convey that eating 3 meals/day would more than make you gain 20 pounds. He tried to show that a variety of health complications goes along with it as grounds for a lawsuit. Well guess what...He ate quite a bit more than 3 meals/day.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 12:11 Post subject:
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| Celestra wrote: | | Violator wrote: |
Cel I don't disagree with your thoughts but what do you do them in regards to the parents who are filling their kids regularly on the stuff where the kids have no choice where their parents bring them to eat? |
Like I said: I blame the parents. It's sad, but how is it MacDonalds fault that the parents don't take proper care of their kids?
The entire notion that a foodchain is somehow responsible for people being overweight is just mindboggling to me. |
It's not their fault but they also don't have aim advertising at kids so the kids constantly want to eat there as well, kids have no idea what is good and not good for them up until a certain ages obviously.
Ask any kid where he wants to go out and eat and 9 times out of 10 you know the answer.
Surely it is up to the parent to say no but advertising goes a LONG way
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| Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Gethy wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Celestra wrote: | Who's defending MacDonalds?
I'll put it in stronger words: who says MacDonalds even needs defending??
They are doing nothing wrong. They provide a service, that a lot of people want to use. Noone forces them to go there and eat till they're a fat blob. People should take some g*****n responsibility for themselves. Everyone knows if you eat fat shit all the time you will become a fat shit sooner or later.
The fact that something is around you a lot doesn't mean shit. I see many women every day. That doesn't mean I will become a l*****n and eat p***y.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous statement. So is saying that MacDonalds makes you fat. No. YOU are making YOU fat. |
I disagree, not getting behind the product you sell and standing up for it and not avoiding numberous calls regarding his program and saying their food doesn't do this and doesn't do that is b******t.
Why do you think for example McDonalds has their Monopoly game on their fries and shit, to get you to come in there as much as possible and as often as possible to try and win something where you likely have a better chance at getting hit by lightning.
Subliminal messaging owns doesn't it |
That's not subliminal, that's a marketting tool. If McDonald's withheld nutritional information of their products, it'd be a completely different story. Fact is they don't, people just don't care to look.
Hell, if one buys into the idea of silly contests and insidiously mind-numbing songs rather than the greasy treat that it's selling--f**k 'em. |
Clearly shown in the movie McDonalds doesn't post the nutrition information in majority of their restaraunts and I do agree as well it is the people at fault, but there is no doubt the almighty dollar is all they care about and that is quite obvious and hey good for them that they can prey on the fact that parents would rather take their kids to McDonalds then actually make then something decent and the lazy asses out there who can't pack a decent meal |
And yet every McDonalds in the film that did not have it posted (one in total. Another had them behind a display) quickly provided the info when asked. |
HUH?! Quickly had it available!?!? What movie did you watch? go watch it again and see how many of them were scrambling to even get this, hell one only had it downstairs in their employee room...... |
Yeah...That was the "bad" one. They didn't have it posted, but they handed it to him when he asked for one. Why does it matter that it was downstairs instead of behind the counter? |
It doesn't matter to me at all whether they have it posted or not I don't eat fast food, the point shown in regards to that in the movie is McDonalds tells you it is visably posted at all their joints where in actuality it is not. |
I've eaten at two McDonalds in the past couple of months and both had nutrition information posted. Why would you get your panties all up in a wad because one provided one on request rather than having it on their wall?? That's just retarded.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 12:28 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | Allow me to reiterate how stupid his experiment was. He would have to consume 11 pounds of pepsi, 67 hamburgers (almost 15 pounds worth) or 6 pounds of chocolate milkshake (their sweetest item) PER DAY in order to successfully consume as much sugar as he claimed to consume!!! Now how many people do you know that eat 67 McDonalds hamburgers a day? Don't you think that just might adversely effect you? Honestly...if he did eat as much as he claimed, I'm surprised he didn't die.
Why not try drinking a gallon of heavy cream every day, then sue the dairy industry for having a heart attack after a week?
Why not eat nothing but Crisco for a month and sue them?
It's a retarded premise. |
You miss the point really, the basis of the film isn't solely to see what eating it 3 times a day can or will do to you, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know the shit isn't good for you and will make you feel like shit, some of the facts that did come out of it were pretty interesting, as I said earlier try looking at everything else in the movie besides what he does to himself. Thankfully it wasn't 2 hours of us seeing him eat.
The points you made above make sense naturally, the only point he was making in reference to the lawsuits is the shit can make you fat that is it and nothing more.
Hell in the US someone sued McDonalds for spilling cofffee on themselves because it was hot and won while driving a car. |
Oh really? I missed the point. Then please tell me what it was. The entire movie focused on only two things: The suppsed adverse health effects of eating 3 McDonalds meals/day (which turns out to be a fraud...it was more like 20 meals/day) and that there is a basis to sue McDonalds over that. He spent a good 25% of the film talking to "experts" who claim the cheese is equivalent to opium, and that the playgrounds are equivalent to giving cigarettes to children.
He tried to convey that eating 3 meals/day would more than make you gain 20 pounds. He tried to show that a variety of health complications goes along with it as grounds for a lawsuit. Well guess what...He ate quite a bit more than 3 meals/day. |
Where did you see once in the movie he ate more than 3 meals a day? I am not saying he may not have ate their 4 times in a day but however I think you are blowing that out of the water there.
He spends all of about 5 minutes on the playground fact and really he is right, do you have kids?
The movie focused on many things, one of them being him eating at Mcdonalds for 30 days soley, another being advertising in general, how McDonalds makes some of their food and what is actually in it such as the Nuggets for one, food in schools which was the saddest part of this movie, the firms that backup the pushing of these foods in schools, polls on people who eat the food and how often, nutritionists and doctors in regards to the food, how fat the US really is and how bad it is getting and many more points in the movie.
Again I think you really need to watch the flick again, really I could care a less about any of this but I think it is a good conversation documentry and hey really the guy put his life on the line doing it as stupid as that is I really enjoyed the facts/statistics that did come out of it all.
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I've eaten at two McDonalds in the past couple of months and both had nutrition information posted. Why would you get your panties all up in a wad because one provided one on request rather than having it on their wall?? That's just retarded.[/quote]
I don't really care I was making a post about a comment previously either way there was more than 1 who did not have it posted and or could not find one and yes there was one who had it hidden behind a display
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I don't get your argument.
Oh no, they advertise?!? Just like every other company that wants to make a profit?
They must be evil then.
No. If we're talking about unethical advertising or selling unhealthy foods, you shouldn't *just* be talking about MacDonalds, but about a whole range of companies who do the EXACT same thing. In my opinion there is nothing unethical about trying to get people to buy your product by specifically targeting them in an add campaign. You're putting it out there, but people don't have to buy anything they don't want to buy.
So what if kids love MacDonalds. I loved icecream when I was a kid. Does that mean my mom said 'Yes' every time I asked for one?
Hell NO! It's called parenting, and not teaching your kid bad habits.
Again: it's about people making the right choices. I just don't buy this whole "MacDonalds is evil for marketing their product to kids" (or anyone else for that matter)
It's utter nonsense.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 12:33 Post subject:
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| Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | Allow me to reiterate how stupid his experiment was. He would have to consume 11 pounds of pepsi, 67 hamburgers (almost 15 pounds worth) or 6 pounds of chocolate milkshake (their sweetest item) PER DAY in order to successfully consume as much sugar as he claimed to consume!!! Now how many people do you know that eat 67 McDonalds hamburgers a day? Don't you think that just might adversely effect you? Honestly...if he did eat as much as he claimed, I'm surprised he didn't die.
Why not try drinking a gallon of heavy cream every day, then sue the dairy industry for having a heart attack after a week?
Why not eat nothing but Crisco for a month and sue them?
It's a retarded premise. |
You miss the point really, the basis of the film isn't solely to see what eating it 3 times a day can or will do to you, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know the shit isn't good for you and will make you feel like shit, some of the facts that did come out of it were pretty interesting, as I said earlier try looking at everything else in the movie besides what he does to himself. Thankfully it wasn't 2 hours of us seeing him eat.
The points you made above make sense naturally, the only point he was making in reference to the lawsuits is the shit can make you fat that is it and nothing more.
Hell in the US someone sued McDonalds for spilling cofffee on themselves because it was hot and won while driving a car. |
Oh really? I missed the point. Then please tell me what it was. The entire movie focused on only two things: The suppsed adverse health effects of eating 3 McDonalds meals/day (which turns out to be a fraud...it was more like 20 meals/day) and that there is a basis to sue McDonalds over that. He spent a good 25% of the film talking to "experts" who claim the cheese is equivalent to opium, and that the playgrounds are equivalent to giving cigarettes to children.
He tried to convey that eating 3 meals/day would more than make you gain 20 pounds. He tried to show that a variety of health complications goes along with it as grounds for a lawsuit. Well guess what...He ate quite a bit more than 3 meals/day. |
Where did you see once in the movie he ate more than 3 meals a day? I am not saying he may not have ate their 4 times in a day but however I think you are blowing that out of the water there.
He spends all of about 5 minutes on the playground fact and really he is right, do you have kids?
The movie focused on many things, one of them being him eating at Mcdonalds for 30 days soley, another being advertising in general, how McDonalds makes some of their food and what is actually in it such as the Nuggets for one, food in schools which was the saddest part of this movie, the firms that backup the pushing of these foods in schools, polls on people who eat the food and how often, nutritionists and doctors in regards to the food, how fat the US really is and how bad it is getting and many more points in the movie.
Again I think you really need to watch the flick again, really I could care a less about any of this but I think it is a good conversation documentry and hey really the guy put his life on the line doing it as stupid as that is I really enjoyed the facts/statistics that did come out of it all. |
At the end of the movie, he stated that he consumed an average of 1 pound 1 sugar per day. I found this curious, because consuming one pound of FOOD per day is a lot. Now go to McDonalds web site. They have the sugar content of all their food on there. If you consume their menu item with the highest sugar content (a chocolate milkshake), you have to consume a full 6 pounds of it per day. If you eat only hamburgers, you have to consume 67 of them. Now tell me how you fit 67 hamburgers into 3 meals. It's a fraud.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 12:45 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Violator wrote: | | Confused wrote: | Allow me to reiterate how stupid his experiment was. He would have to consume 11 pounds of pepsi, 67 hamburgers (almost 15 pounds worth) or 6 pounds of chocolate milkshake (their sweetest item) PER DAY in order to successfully consume as much sugar as he claimed to consume!!! Now how many people do you know that eat 67 McDonalds hamburgers a day? Don't you think that just might adversely effect you? Honestly...if he did eat as much as he claimed, I'm surprised he didn't die.
Why not try drinking a gallon of heavy cream every day, then sue the dairy industry for having a heart attack after a week?
Why not eat nothing but Crisco for a month and sue them?
It's a retarded premise. |
You miss the point really, the basis of the film isn't solely to see what eating it 3 times a day can or will do to you, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know the shit isn't good for you and will make you feel like shit, some of the facts that did come out of it were pretty interesting, as I said earlier try looking at everything else in the movie besides what he does to himself. Thankfully it wasn't 2 hours of us seeing him eat.
The points you made above make sense naturally, the only point he was making in reference to the lawsuits is the shit can make you fat that is it and nothing more.
Hell in the US someone sued McDonalds for spilling cofffee on themselves because it was hot and won while driving a car. |
Oh really? I missed the point. Then please tell me what it was. The entire movie focused on only two things: The suppsed adverse health effects of eating 3 McDonalds meals/day (which turns out to be a fraud...it was more like 20 meals/day) and that there is a basis to sue McDonalds over that. He spent a good 25% of the film talking to "experts" who claim the cheese is equivalent to opium, and that the playgrounds are equivalent to giving cigarettes to children.
He tried to convey that eating 3 meals/day would more than make you gain 20 pounds. He tried to show that a variety of health complications goes along with it as grounds for a lawsuit. Well guess what...He ate quite a bit more than 3 meals/day. |
Where did you see once in the movie he ate more than 3 meals a day? I am not saying he may not have ate their 4 times in a day but however I think you are blowing that out of the water there.
He spends all of about 5 minutes on the playground fact and really he is right, do you have kids?
The movie focused on many things, one of them being him eating at Mcdonalds for 30 days soley, another being advertising in general, how McDonalds makes some of their food and what is actually in it such as the Nuggets for one, food in schools which was the saddest part of this movie, the firms that backup the pushing of these foods in schools, polls on people who eat the food and how often, nutritionists and doctors in regards to the food, how fat the US really is and how bad it is getting and many more points in the movie.
Again I think you really need to watch the flick again, really I could care a less about any of this but I think it is a good conversation documentry and hey really the guy put his life on the line doing it as stupid as that is I really enjoyed the facts/statistics that did come out of it all. |
At the end of the movie, he stated that he consumed an average of 1 pound 1 sugar per day. I found this curious, because consuming one pound of FOOD per day is a lot. Now go to McDonalds web site. They have the sugar content of all their food on there. If you consume their menu item with the highest sugar content (a chocolate milkshake), you have to consume a full 6 pounds of it per day. If you eat only hamburgers, you have to consume 67 of them. Now tell me how you fit 67 hamburgers into 3 meals. It's a fraud. |
McDonalds has also changed their menu and such since he made the movie and to say it is fraud is a pretty strong comment considering if it actually was McDonalds would be suing them where instead they changed a lot of their menu since it happened.
Cel I told you I agree that it is bad parenting but you can't blame everything on that, kids grow up with the best parenting as well and end up killing people and such - that is a moot point and can be argued forever, I agree there is a ton of bad decisions made by parents and you will make many as well as everyone else.
My point solely is this when it comes to advertising:
If you dangle a candy in front of a kid he is going to want it, eat it etc.
Really it is great advertising as far as McDonalds is concerned, really brilliant because when the kids bug and bug to go eat there or have that candy eventually and more times then not the parent gives into what their child wants
Trust me I agree with tons of your points pretty much all of them but basically that is like saying there is no other way to get the message out there for people to buy the food. Personally as much as I hate seeing and listening to the subway guy that is just as powerful and even more so for all the people who run to Subway, the only thing they don't tell you is basically to get like Jared or whatever his name is you have to eat bread, lettuce and a piece of meat for every meal, Subway doesn't tell you he has no cheese, no sauces, virtually had f**k all on his sandwhich - again great advertising.
either way I like everyones points here, like I said I like the topic and enjoy reading all the points
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 12:53 Post subject:
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I don't blame *everything* on bad parenting. But when I see parents with 3 fat kids at the MacDonalds, heck ya I'm blaming the fat tummies on them.
Who cares if kids bug? They are kids. They bug. You are the parent. You don't have to give in to your kids. Period.
You don't have a point unless you are blaming MacDonalds for unruly whiny kids in the back of the car when they see the big yellow M.
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