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Vekril
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 Posted: 02/29/04 - 12:24 Post subject: John Kerry's war wounds?
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We all know John Kerry received 3 Purple Hearts during his 4 months in Vietnam for injuries sustained during combat. However he did not miss 1 day of service for those injuries.
Furthermore, Senator Kerry has blocked the release of his medical records from Vietnam. Tell me why would he do this unless he was hiding something? It is well known that Kerry had high political ambitions from his college days, that he went to Vietnam for a reason, protested for a reason, and so on.
Max Cleland lost 3 limbs but has 0 purple hearts because they were not combat injuries. Among soldiers there was an unwritten code that minor scratches and wounds did NOT merit requesting a Purple Heart. John Kerry received 3 Purple Hearts and refuses to release his medical records.
Things that make you go hmm...
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Pags
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 12:47 Post subject:
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Figures.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 13:13 Post subject:
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Didn't Bush go awol in the guard or some shit?
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Tex
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 13:16 Post subject:
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No.
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Gato
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:11 Post subject:
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"We all know John Kerry received 3 Purple Hearts during his 4 months in Vietnam for injuries sustained during combat. However he did not miss 1 day of service for those injuries"
This issue has bothered me too. Forcing myself to ignore just how f*****g fishy 3 purple hearts in 4 months sounds to me a soldier with 16 years active service and counting. Here is a possible solution:
CON LEAVE: A soldier that is badly injured recoveryng from hard surgery is placed on convalescent leave. (up to 6 months) They are still on active duty and serving time on their contract. The question is was Kerry was on con leave?
If you are saying Kerry was injurred three times in a combat while facing enemy forces (injuries the enemy inflicted) AND he went back to work after each event like nothing happned.. I'd question the seriouness of the injuries and the validity of the medals.
Of course Kerry could be a hard mother f****r.. He was SpecOps, no? Rapper 50 cent was shot 9 TIMES and still made it to the recording studio..  Whats to say Kerry didn't take 3 bullets in Nam and head back back into the bush? 
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Vekril
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:16 Post subject:
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simple solution Gato -- Kerry could release his medical records from Vietnam, but he refuses to do so -- and that would tend to imply that he has something to hide
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hitachi
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:18 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | | simple solution Gato -- Kerry could release his medical records from Vietnam, but he refuses to do so -- and that would tend to imply that he has something to hide |
or that he values his privacy.
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Vekril
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:21 Post subject:
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When you are running for President your own personal privacy is null and void. You are attempting to become the most powerful man on the planet. Anything in your history remotely related to the debate about your qualifications is fair game. Especially because Kerry has chosen to make his war wounds a major feature of his campaign. If he had never mentioned them then yes they are off limits -- but he brought them into the public sphere.
You don't like that, don't run for public office, especially the presidency.
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:31 Post subject:
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From some Vietnam Vets who found the info...
| Quote: | | I know the first was a gunshot (said to be like a Zippo burn) to the arm (2 days leave), and the second was "shrapnel wounds" (no time lost). |
| Quote: | | 3rd Purple Heart was arm scratch said to be shrapnel (by Kerry) as B-40 attack on swift boat. |
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Yabden
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:48 Post subject:
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what a p***y. I start to hate this guy more and more each time I hear about him.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:53 Post subject:
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That's lame. I thought you got purple hearts for some ridiculously brave action like charging a machine gun nest or something.
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:59 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | That's lame. I thought you got purple hearts for some ridiculously brave action like charging a machine gun nest or something. |
No, those are bronze stars, silver stars, and such.
Purple Hearts are for injuries during combat. In all fairness though, some have been given out for frostbite and such.
/shrugs
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Yabden
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 15:59 Post subject:
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stuff like that you get bronze stars for. Purple hearts are for major injuries sustained while fighting. Like in WW2 my grandpa got 2 purple hearts. One for being shot in the shoulder at normandy. Another for having a giant splinter from a tree go through his leg from where german artillery was shattering trees in bastogne. That is purple heart worthy.
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:04 Post subject:
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Also from a Vietnam Vet...
| Quote: | | Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs. |
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Akronn
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:11 Post subject:
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Kerry has gone on record as classifying himself as one of the 'walking wounded' after his first two injuries (shrapnel wounds to his arm and thigh). He was patched up and sent out again within that day, his duty wasn't interrupted. That was the rule then, not the exception. He was lucky, an inch one way or an inch another and he could've been killed, and at a time when purple hearts were coming over to Vietnam in boxes, Kerry receiving two of them this way is not surprising.
Look up how Colin Powell recieved his first purple heart - he veered off a path and stepped onto a manure covered bamboo spear (a 'punji trap'). He suffered some swelling in his foot but recovered quickly and fully, only to be assigned to an administrative position for the rest of the tour. That's just the way it was early in the war, for every Bob Dole-esque war injury, there were 1,000 minor wounds which recieved the same recognition.
At least he didn't dodge his duty. 
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:14 Post subject:
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Neither did Bush.
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khrath
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:33 Post subject:
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kerry was an officer, he put himself in for those purple hearts dipshits.
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Maldek
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:35 Post subject:
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maybe the records are sealed b/c 1 of the injuries is embarassing, like he lost a nut or some shit and now his nutsack is all FUGLY looking
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Thuphir
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:36 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | When you are running for President your own personal privacy is null and void. You are attempting to become the most powerful man on the planet. Anything in your history remotely related to the debate about your qualifications is fair game. Especially because Kerry has chosen to make his war wounds a major feature of his campaign. If he had never mentioned them then yes they are off limits -- but he brought them into the public sphere.
You don't like that, don't run for public office, especially the presidency. |
Do you complain about how Bush's records in Texas are completely hidden/destroyed? Do you mind that he's been busted for DUI and is a former user/dealer of cocaine and former alcohlic? Do you also not mind that no person has been able to 'claim' Trudeau's $10k 'prize' to verify his gimped military service in Alabama?
Docter, are you illiterate? Rich boy Bush enters the Texas Guard (laughable) and then further shirks responsilibity by dodging what little obligations he had there. Other than leaving the country illegally I can't imagine to what greater lengths one could go to avoid their military service as our President did.
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Clevinger
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:36 Post subject:
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| Khrath wrote: | | kerry was an officer, he put himself in for those purple hearts dipshits. |
ya, hes a sleezeball
his silver star was even more laughable and sad then the purple hearts
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:41 Post subject:
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Thuphir, guess it all depends on what version you are reading...I've read through all the info on his pay stubs...all the info about how tough those planes were to fly...about his request to go to Vietnam as a fighter pilot (which was denied by his superiors, stating he was of more use stateside)...and the interview with one of the pilots that flew with him...besides, this was all settled back in the '2000 campaign...but if you want to rehash it for your own amusement, go ahead.
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:42 Post subject:
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| Thuphir wrote: | | Other than leaving the country illegally I can't imagine to what greater lengths one could go to avoid their military service as our President did. |
Much like Clinton did...but it was okay for him...because he was a DemocRat...nice double standards.
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Thuphir
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 16:46 Post subject:
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| Docter wrote: | | Thuphir wrote: | | Other than leaving the country illegally I can't imagine to what greater lengths one could go to avoid their military service as our President did. |
Much like Clinton did...but it was okay for him...because he was a DemocRat...nice double standards. |
Double standards? Did I write anything in support of Clinton? He's a pile of shit as well.
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lauren000
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 19:18 Post subject:
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no one has a right to request kerry's medical records. What a joke honestly. He was hit with shrapnel on 3 separate occassions. Does that count as injured in combat to you?
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 19:24 Post subject:
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| lauren000 wrote: | | no one has a right to request kerry's medical records. What a joke honestly. He was hit with shrapnel on 3 separate occassions. Does that count as injured in combat to you? |
Just like no one had the right to request Dean's records from when he was governor or Bush's military records...???
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Yabden
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 19:25 Post subject:
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getting hit by shrapnel and being injured by shrapnel are 2 very different things. If it puts a little scratch on your arm BIG f*****g DEAL. now if it embeds in your leg to the point you can't walk and have to have it surgically taken out that might be worth a medal.
And was the picture of that nutsack really necessary?
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Docter
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 19:29 Post subject:
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Actually his first purple heart was from a .50 caliber bullet...but apparently it grazed or "touched" his arm, leaving a burn mark.
/shrugs
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Yabden
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 19:34 Post subject:
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wow.........I am impressed.
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lauren000
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 19:35 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | When you are running for President your own personal privacy is null and void. You are attempting to become the most powerful man on the planet. Anything in your history remotely related to the debate about your qualifications is fair game. Especially because Kerry has chosen to make his war wounds a major feature of his campaign. If he had never mentioned them then yes they are off limits -- but he brought them into the public sphere.
You don't like that, don't run for public office, especially the presidency. |
where exactly is Bush's medical records on the drunk driving incident anyways? I would like to know specifically how high his blood alcohol level was, and any lewd comments he might have made while drunk.
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lauren000
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 19:41 Post subject:
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my mom is military and was medical personale during the 70's. If you take a look at old medical records there is alot of unnecessary shit written on the charts, and alot of it is inaccurate. When a person would come into the hospital with a bowel obstruction they'd just write FOS on the chart. For "full of shit".
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