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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 13:44    Post subject: Jack Crow arrested yesterday for ... Reply with quote

OK not really but I really wanted to get your attention.
Lately Ill admit that all ive been doing is flaming and ripping on people without seeking to even explain my side of the whole political conflidt we have here on almost a daily basis at RP.
Well right now Im going to sweep that aside and try to get you people who are conservative Republicans to just for a moment open your minds and eyes and SEE why some democrats feel as they do and SEE why America is ripe for change.

Watch this, whether or not you agree or disagree and open your minds.


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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know why democrats feel the way they do. My girlfriend is a bleeding heart liberal. I simply don't think their beliefs are practical or logical.
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try reading some facts before listening to partisan drivel, Jack. Go to the source, your government. The US constitution leaves the job of funding education to state governments, not the federal.

http://www.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html

We spend 100 billion more a year on education than we do on the military. 10 cookies if it helps you understand Wink
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Try reading some facts before listening to partisan drivel, Jack. Go to the source, your government. The US constitution leaves the job of funding education to state governments, not the federal.

http://www.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html

We spend 100 billion more a year on education than we do on the military. 10 cookies if it helps you understand Wink


SO what...if it makes America a better place for all why not slip em a cookie

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However, because there is a compelling federal interest in the quality of the nation's public schools, the federal government, through the legislative process, provides assistance to the states and schools in an effort to supplement, not supplant, state support.


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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

We spend 101.3 billion a year more than the military on education, bet Ben and Jerry want me to believe that another 3 billion will fix all of the problems in the system?

You need to have your f*****g head examined.
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I forgot you didn't go to college, and thus can't read graphs.

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Total taxpayer investment in K-12 education in the United States for the 2003-04 school year is estimated to exceed $501.3 billion.

Even in this current time of war, taxpayer investment in education exceeds that for national defense. In addition to the K-12 money mentioned above, taxpayers will spend an estimated $350.8 billion for higher education in the same school year.[ * ] As noted on the chart below, the United States is a world leader in education investment. However, nations that spend far less achieve higher levels of student performance.




Not only does this show that we spend plenty, it shows that money is not the solution to the problems facing our nations education system.

gg ^_^

next issue plz


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http://www.ed.gov/news/photos/2004/0202/edlite-0202_1.html
Says here youre full of shit

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Secretary Paige announces President Bush's Fiscal Year 2005 budget request for the Department of Education—$57.3 billion in discretionary appropriations, an increase of 3 percent over the 2004 funding level.
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack Crow wrote:
SO what...if it makes America a better place for all why not slip em a cookie


Well Jack, we already slip them numerous cookies every year. In fact, federal funding for education has increased substantially during the Bush administration.

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Total education funding has increased substantially in recent years at all levels of government, even when accounting for enrollment increases and inflation.

National K-12 education spending has increased 101 percent since 1990-91, 48 percent since 1996-97, and 22 percent since the 1999- 2000 school year. When this is calculated on a per-pupil basis and is adjusted for inflation, funding has increased: 7 percent in the last 3 years for which data is available, 15 percent over 5 years, and 21 percent over 10 years.




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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack Crow wrote:
http://www.ed.gov/news/photos/2004/0202/edlite-0202_1.html
Says here youre full of shit

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Secretary Paige announces President Bush's Fiscal Year 2005 budget request for the Department of Education—$57.3 billion in discretionary appropriations, an increase of 3 percent over the 2004 funding level.


Jack, are you retarded? You're not accounting for STATE funding of education...and I just showed you an excerpt and graph that shows money is not the solution to the problems facing our nations schools.

Your quote also shows that they increased spending from 2004 levels.


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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't agree with their ideas about defence spending
while all that money prob isn't making progress.
it still takes alot more to protect something than it does to attack it
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack, I think you're reaching and not using sound logic. Next issue please.
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Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:
http://www.ed.gov/news/photos/2004/0202/edlite-0202_1.html
Says here youre full of shit

Quote:
Secretary Paige announces President Bush's Fiscal Year 2005 budget request for the Department of Education—$57.3 billion in discretionary appropriations, an increase of 3 percent over the 2004 funding level.


Jack, are you retarded? You're not accounting for STATE funding of education...and I just showed you an excerpt and graph that shows money is not the solution to the problems facing our nations schools.


State funding is lopsided.
Rich districts can lavish money on children while poor districts might flounder as always and have to cut every corner just to keep afloat.
they certianly wont have the money to pay a good salary for good teachers or have quality equpiment.
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack Crow wrote:
Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:
http://www.ed.gov/news/photos/2004/0202/edlite-0202_1.html
Says here youre full of shit

Quote:
Secretary Paige announces President Bush's Fiscal Year 2005 budget request for the Department of Education—$57.3 billion in discretionary appropriations, an increase of 3 percent over the 2004 funding level.


Jack, are you retarded? You're not accounting for STATE funding of education...and I just showed you an excerpt and graph that shows money is not the solution to the problems facing our nations schools.


State funding is lopsided.
Rich districts can lavish money on children while poor districts might flounder as always and have to cut every corner just to keep afloat.
they certianly wont have the money to pay a good salary for good teachers or have quality equpiment.


I grew up in a "rich district". We received half the number of money per student as districs in Compton, Carson, etc. Money is not the solution. Parental involvement in the schools and in their childrens lives is the solution.

Seriously, you lossed. Move on.
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Money does not solve education woes.

Already a known.
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Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:
Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:
http://www.ed.gov/news/photos/2004/0202/edlite-0202_1.html
Says here youre full of shit

Quote:
Secretary Paige announces President Bush's Fiscal Year 2005 budget request for the Department of Education—$57.3 billion in discretionary appropriations, an increase of 3 percent over the 2004 funding level.


Jack, are you retarded? You're not accounting for STATE funding of education...and I just showed you an excerpt and graph that shows money is not the solution to the problems facing our nations schools.


State funding is lopsided.
Rich districts can lavish money on children while poor districts might flounder as always and have to cut every corner just to keep afloat.
they certianly wont have the money to pay a good salary for good teachers or have quality equpiment.


I grew up in a "rich district". We received half the number of money per student as districs in Compton, Carson, etc. Money is not the solution. Parental involvement in the schools and in their childrens lives is the solution.

Seriously, you lossed. Move on.

b******t you lie now.

And I LOSSED?
Where you learn to read, Taiwan?
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 14:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack Crow wrote:
Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:
Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:
http://www.ed.gov/news/photos/2004/0202/edlite-0202_1.html
Says here youre full of shit

Quote:
Secretary Paige announces President Bush's Fiscal Year 2005 budget request for the Department of Education—$57.3 billion in discretionary appropriations, an increase of 3 percent over the 2004 funding level.


Jack, are you retarded? You're not accounting for STATE funding of education...and I just showed you an excerpt and graph that shows money is not the solution to the problems facing our nations schools.


State funding is lopsided.
Rich districts can lavish money on children while poor districts might flounder as always and have to cut every corner just to keep afloat.
they certianly wont have the money to pay a good salary for good teachers or have quality equpiment.


I grew up in a "rich district". We received half the number of money per student as districs in Compton, Carson, etc. Money is not the solution. Parental involvement in the schools and in their childrens lives is the solution.

Seriously, you lossed. Move on.

b******t you lie now.


So you get owned and call me a liar? I grew up in the Palos Verdes Peninsula Unified School District...one of the better off areas of Los Angeles. Here's a link to the district financial statements: Look up my district, and Compton Unified.

http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/Navigation/fsTwoPanel.asp?bottom=%2Fprofile%2Easp%3Flevel%3D06%26reportNumber%3D16

per student state funding based on average daily attendance under revenues at the top of the district financial statement tables:

Compton: $3,505
Palos Verdes Peninsula: $1,957

You done trying yet?
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 15:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gotta get to class. In the words of the great orator Bill O'Reilly, "We'll let the viewers decide."
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State funding is lopsided.
Rich districts can lavish money on children while poor districts might flounder as always and have to cut every corner just to keep afloat.
they certianly wont have the money to pay a good salary for good teachers or have quality equpiment./

I grew up in a "rich district". We received half the number of money per student as districs in Compton, Carson, etc. Money is not the solution. Parental involvement in the schools and in their childrens lives is the solution.

Seriously, you lossed. Move on.[/
b******t you lie now.[/

So you get owned and call me a liar? I grew up in the Palos Verdes Peninsula Unified School District...one of the better off areas of Los Angeles. Here's a link to the district financial statements: Look up my district, and Compton Unified.

http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/Navigation/fsTwoPanel.asp?bottom=%2Fprofile%2Easp%3Flevel%3D06%26reportNumber%3D16

per student state funding based on average daily attendance under revenues at the top of the district financial statement tables:

Compton: $3,505
Palos Verdes Peninsula: $1,957

You done trying yet?


You are filled with shit.
Your discussing an issue that effects you locally, not nationally you dumb f**k.
Needy schools dont get shit compared to the rich schools in MOST states.
You can verify this with your eyes, just by looking at the schools in the poorer district.
Dont take my word on it tho...A whole study was conducted on this very matter by the Education trust, a NON PARTISAN group.

Neediest Schools Receive Less Money, Report Finds
by Diana Jean Schemo

WASHINGTON, Aug. 8 — As schools enter a new era of tough federal demands to raise achievement among poor and minority students, a report released here today shows that in most states, school districts with the neediest students receive far less state and local tax money — an average of just under $1,000 per student — than schools with the fewest poor children.

The report, by the Education Trust, a nonpartisan group that represents schools in poor urban districts, found the greatest disparities in New York, where schools teaching the poorest students receive $2,152 per student less from state and local government sources than schools with the fewest needy students. In Illinois, the state with the second-greatest gap, the disparity is $2,060.

A comparison of districts by race shows similar shortfalls. In New York, schools with the most minority students take in $2,034 less per student than those with the fewest.

Although New York presents the greatest disparities in the nation, neighboring New Jersey and Connecticut have erased their gaps. Both states have lost lawsuits and faced a series of court orders over disparities in school financing.

Joe Conway, a spokesman for Gov. George E. Pataki, said New York had reduced the gap between rich and poor schools by 23 percent since 1997, faster than the national average of 15 percent. "The survey doesn't reflect the fact that we've provided record school-aid increases and targeted more and more money into high need districts, but it does show that we've been closing the gap at a far more rapid pace than the nation as a whole," Mr. Conway said.

Over all, the report found that in 30 of the 47 states that had submitted financial data to the federal government, school districts with the fewest poor students get substantially more, defined by the report as at least $100 per student, than districts with high concentrations of the poor. Similarly, in 31 of the states, schools with the fewest minority students get at least $100 per student more than schools with the most.

"The kids that are in the districts with the greatest needs get the fewest resources," said Michael Rebell, executive director and counsel at the Campaign for Fiscal Equity, which sued New York over disparities in school financing and is appealing a ruling upholding the state's formula for allocating money to schools.


Craig D. Jerald, a senior policy analyst at the Education Trust, said that more money did not automatically close the achievement gap between rich and poor, or among black, Latino and white students. But Mr. Jerald said that evening out differences in financing and spending the money wisely to hire qualified teachers, lengthen the school day and purchase strong curriculums could help

"The picture has become crystal clear," Mr. Jerald said. "If you do both of those things you can really solve the problem."


Chester E. Finn, president of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, said he did not believe money was the most important factor. "There are a lot of high-spending poor communities like Newark, which is spending upward of $10,000 per child, and it's overall a disastrous public school system," he said, adding, "Just adding money to a school system doesn't cause test scores to rise. It truly does depend on how that money is spent."

School districts have traditionally raised revenue through a variety of means, most often relying heavily on local property taxes. In recent years some states like Michigan have moved toward statewide sales taxes as a way to pay for schools, in part to alleviate disparities.

The report analyzed census data and the figures on state and local financing of schools submitted to the federal Education Department for the 1999-2000 school year, the most recent figures available, and compared them to school finance data in 1997. It did not include the federal contribution to education under Title I, which is generally weighted toward low-income schools. That money is not meant to pay for essentials but to give schools extra help.

The report defined the neediest school districts as those in the quartile with the most students below the poverty line.

Nationally, school districts with the fewest minority students spent $6,684 in state and local money to educate them, compared with $5,782 for heavily minority schools. The study showed that while the financing disparities grew in nine states, the gap between high- and low-poverty schools nationally shrank to $966 per student, from $1,139 per student in 1997, or 15 percent.

Mr. Conway, the governor's spokesman, said Mr. Pataki would use the report to advance an overhaul of school financing that he had proposed to the Legislature.

But Mr. Finn said he was surprised to see that in 26 states, including New York, state money aggravated disparities in financing between rich and poor districts, and white and black ones.

Dont confuse your little local economical model with an issue that effects us on a National Level d*****s


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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 15:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your discussing an issue that effects you locally, not nationally you dumb f**k.


Exactly. It's a state issue, not a federal one. Your entire post deals with localities and state governments. Who's the dumb f**k?
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 15:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Atlanta, the heaviest funded school district is the inner city. It also has the lowest SAT scores. I pay about $5000/year on property taxes to "educate" people who couldn't care less about education. This is what happens when you put liberals in charge of something. They f**k it up.
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Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:


Your discussing an issue that effects you locally, not nationally you dumb f**k.


Exactly. It's a state issue, not a federal one. Your entire post deals with localities and state governments. Who's the dumb f**k?


You didnt hear what I said simpleton
Youre issue of compton getting more money than you is a tiny slice of a national problem
Let me translate since youre a f****n moron.

Just because a poor school near you "may" get more money than you did does not equate to this being the case on a national level.

In some states like New York and Illinois the gap between students in rich and poor districts are over two thousand dollars per student.

Straight outta Compton Jack Crow kicks your horse shit logic square in the ass
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Jack Crow wrote:
Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:


Your discussing an issue that effects you locally, not nationally you dumb f**k.


Exactly. It's a state issue, not a federal one. Your entire post deals with localities and state governments. Who's the dumb f**k?


You didnt hear what I said moron
Youre issue of compton getting more money than you is a tiny slice of a national problem
Let me translate since youre a f****n moron.

Just because a poor school near you "may" get more money than you did does not equate to this being the case on a national level.

In some states like New York and Illinois the gap between students in rich and poor districts are over two thousand dollars per student.

Straight outta Compton Jack Crow kicks your horse shit logic square in the ass


Wait...so you're discounting his use of state-level school funcding by using a state-level school funding. Did you school not have any funding at all?
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Confused wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:
Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:


Your discussing an issue that effects you locally, not nationally you dumb f**k.


Exactly. It's a state issue, not a federal one. Your entire post deals with localities and state governments. Who's the dumb f**k?


You didnt hear what I said moron
Youre issue of compton getting more money than you is a tiny slice of a national problem
Let me translate since youre a f****n moron.

Just because a poor school near you "may" get more money than you did does not equate to this being the case on a national level.

In some states like New York and Illinois the gap between students in rich and poor districts are over two thousand dollars per student.

Straight outta Compton Jack Crow kicks your horse shit logic square in the ass


Wait...so you're discounting his use of state-level school funcding by using a state-level school funding. Did you school not have any funding at all?

No d*****s Im saying that all schools should recieve adequate funding and equpiment regardless of district.
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Jack Crow wrote:
Confused wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:
Xion wrote:
Jack Crow wrote:


Your discussing an issue that effects you locally, not nationally you dumb f**k.


Exactly. It's a state issue, not a federal one. Your entire post deals with localities and state governments. Who's the dumb f**k?


You didnt hear what I said moron
Youre issue of compton getting more money than you is a tiny slice of a national problem
Let me translate since youre a f****n moron.

Just because a poor school near you "may" get more money than you did does not equate to this being the case on a national level.

In some states like New York and Illinois the gap between students in rich and poor districts are over two thousand dollars per student.

Straight outta Compton Jack Crow kicks your horse shit logic square in the ass


Wait...so you're discounting his use of state-level school funcding by using a state-level school funding. Did you school not have any funding at all?

No d*****s Im saying that all schools should recieve adequate funding and equpiment regardless of district.


They don't? Hmmmm...That's news to me.
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Confused wrote:
In Atlanta, the heaviest funded school district is the inner city. It also has the lowest SAT scores. I pay about $5000/year on property taxes to "educate" people who couldn't care less about education. This is what happens when you put liberals in charge of something. They f**k it up.

Atlanta is in a state thats going to vote for Bush this year and give him 15 electorial votes most likely.
It is no surprise to me that Atlanta has the stupidest kids in the nation at all.
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Jack Crow wrote:
Confused wrote:
In Atlanta, the heaviest funded school district is the inner city. It also has the lowest SAT scores. I pay about $5000/year on property taxes to "educate" people who couldn't care less about education. This is what happens when you put liberals in charge of something. They f**k it up.

Atlanta is in a state thats going to vote for Bush this year and give him 15 electorial votes most likely.
It is no surprise to me that Atlanta has the stupidest kids in the nation at all.


Actually the test scores are pretty decent. The city of Atlanta (which is the left-wing portion of GA) has the lowest scores in the state.
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PostPosted: 09/07/04 - 16:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xion wrote:
money is not the solution to the problems facing our nations schools.



I agree.

I don't know about everyone elses school, but it seems the administration could use a huge cut as well. Our superintendent didn't seem to do much except call snow days, give a graduation speech, impliment useless politically correct rules for the school, and keep a huge staff that probably cost the taxpayers more money than it was worth.
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Jack..you're a fucktard.

As others have said money WILL NOT make students learn more or make them smarter. I'm a Junior this year(11'th grade Jack, in case you never got that far)and the only thing that will get me an A instead of a C or D is my desire to excel. A new desk or my teachers making $5,000 more a year won't change shit I have to WANT to learn the material.

If you want to up the intelligence of our nation's youth then completely do away with all welfare programs(except for the truely disabled)and make the curriculum tougher. If they don't learn then they are f****d. I say make it harder because I can sleep through half of each class and cruise by with a B at the very least, it's easy.

I went to a high priced private school for a couple years then I came back to my public school..I can learn just as much at either place. Sure it was cool having the option to take full laptop courses at the private school but that won't make me any smarter.
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Jack..you're a fucktard.

As others have said money WILL NOT make students learn more or make them smarter. I'm a Junior this year(11'th grade Jack, in case you never got that far)and the only thing that will get me an A instead of a C or D is my desire to excel. A new desk or my teachers making $5,000 more a year won't change shit I have to WANT to learn the material.

If you want to up the intelligence of our nation's youth then completely do away with all welfare programs(except for the truely disabled)and make the curriculum tougher. If they don't learn then they are f****d. I say make it harder because I can sleep through half of each class and cruise by with a B at the very least, it's easy.

I went to a high priced private school for a couple years then I came back to my public school..I can learn just as much at either place. Sure it was cool having the option to take full laptop courses at the private school but that won't make me any smarter.


And if you have a class youre having trouble in you mean to tell me a happy well paid teacher would be just the same as a disgruntled underpaid teacher?
f**k you dumb f**k, you dont know a goddam thing
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Jack Crow wrote:
Scrabler wrote:
Jack..you're a fucktard.

As others have said money WILL NOT make students learn more or make them smarter. I'm a Junior this year(11'th grade Jack, in case you never got that far)and the only thing that will get me an A instead of a C or D is my desire to excel. A new desk or my teachers making $5,000 more a year won't change shit I have to WANT to learn the material.

If you want to up the intelligence of our nation's youth then completely do away with all welfare programs(except for the truely disabled)and make the curriculum tougher. If they don't learn then they are f****d. I say make it harder because I can sleep through half of each class and cruise by with a B at the very least, it's easy.

I went to a high priced private school for a couple years then I came back to my public school..I can learn just as much at either place. Sure it was cool having the option to take full laptop courses at the private school but that won't make me any smarter.


And if you have a class youre having trouble in you mean to tell me a happy well paid teacher would be just the same as a disgruntled underpaid teacher?
f**k you dumb f**k, you dont know a goddam thing


If you're having trouble then you're stupid..please pick up the trash from the end of my driveway.

How exactly does giving a teacher a few grand more a year make them better? Their skill level does not increase because of the pay. If they are not performing their job well because they feel they are underpaid then FIRE their ass. I'm sorry but all the teachers I have ever had were happy to help the people who needed assistance.
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cindy sheehan arrested
teen arrested for desecrating tomb, using head as bong
Did some sort of interesting tests yesterday
'yesterday night' terminology
So yesterday my fiance and I went to REI
I called one of those hot-talk phone lines yesterday ...
Yesterday was my birthday....
today, er yesterday
Granpa Munster died yesterday....
Yesterday was one of the worst days of my life
Yesterday
My gf's daddy had such a nice day yesterday...
In abichat yesterday...
Yesterday I bought a fhd lcd.. and i need invite.. please..
Age of Conan Beta Sign-up started yesterday
Just subscribed to Lineage 2 yesterday
Who thinks we should've just shot up Fallujah yesterday?
I saw troy yesterday.
went to cedar point yesterday (movies up)
Purchased a New Car Yesterday
Was watching CNN and Fox News yesterday...
This was live on TV yesterday.