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Posted: 08/04/04 - 21:29 Post subject:

Luturb wrote:

An armed populace is *much* harder to oppress than an unarmed one. There's no doubt about it. 280 million armed civilians vs. 1.2 million soldiers. Sure in a pitched battle of military vs. civilians they would just send in the bombers and that would be it, but 280 million armed people on 3.5 million square miles of land is not at all easy to deal with.

Anyway, it's mostly symbolic. No one thinks that the US military is going to stage some sort of hostile takeover of the civilian populace, but the right to keep and bear arms is merely a symbol of the power of the people, and a safeguard to keep would be tyrants from getting any ideas.

You have to remember if there was some hypothical "civil war" there would also be a hypothetical percentage of the military on either side. The side that likes it as it is, and the side that doesn't.

If it was the US military against the US population, I would not put my money on the military. Sheet, I would drop tons of leg scum (non Airborne personnel) from the closest unit in Jamaica queens, before they took me out. I trained them and ran many a range when I was in the reserves, they are all wannabe rap singers:)

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Posted: 08/05/04 - 03:39 Post subject:

I must be sleepy I read this as "Its LAW I am now PADEN in 50 states"

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Therros
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Posted: 08/05/04 - 17:33 Post subject:

Yep, the right to keep and bear arms WOULD make a real difference in any sort of 'revolution', not that it's the main reason for such a law to exist. Unarmed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people back down and do what they are told to do. Armed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people pull out guns again and say "Are you really going to shoot your own countrymen?" - At this point we have a huge defection of military personnel and the whole situation changes. As for other reasons... an armed population lowers violent crime rates... an armed population is free to defend themselves as they should be... any many others reasons. You all can think what ya want, but I'll feel a bit safer that retired law enforcement (yes, including Kbarr) can be armed in a public location.

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Posted: 08/05/04 - 21:14 Post subject:

Therros wrote:

Yep, the right to keep and bear arms WOULD make a real difference in any sort of 'revolution', not that it's the main reason for such a law to exist.

Unarmed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people back down and do what they are told to do.

Armed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people pull out guns again and say "Are you really going to shoot your own countrymen?" - At this point we have a huge defection of military personnel and the whole situation changes.

As for other reasons... an armed population lowers violent crime rates... an armed population is free to defend themselves as they should be... any many others reasons.

You all can think what ya want, but I'll feel a bit safer that retired law enforcement (yes, including Kbarr) can be armed in a public location.

Sometimes I miss Kel'daoine, had a lot of fun there.

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Posted: 08/05/04 - 21:43 Post subject:

Kel'Daoine was a great place to be.

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Mugaaz
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Posted: 08/06/04 - 00:11 Post subject:

Kbarr wrote:

Therros wrote:

Yep, the right to keep and bear arms WOULD make a real difference in any sort of 'revolution', not that it's the main reason for such a law to exist.

Unarmed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people back down and do what they are told to do.

Armed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people pull out guns again and say "Are you really going to shoot your own countrymen?" - At this point we have a huge defection of military personnel and the whole situation changes.

As for other reasons... an armed population lowers violent crime rates... an armed population is free to defend themselves as they should be... any many others reasons.

You all can think what ya want, but I'll feel a bit safer that retired law enforcement (yes, including Kbarr) can be armed in a public location.

Sometimes I miss Kel'daoine, had a lot of fun there.

The armed populace lowering violent crime rates is b******t. If NO ONE but the militiary and police had firearms then I don't think we'd see many drive by bow and arrow shootings, do you? The fact is we can't enforce a rull like that so making them legal only allows citizens to compete with criminals. But in reality almost all criminals were a law abiding citizen at one point. Any way you slice it the argument is b******t.

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Posted: 08/06/04 - 00:44 Post subject:

Mugaaz wrote:

Kbarr wrote:

Therros wrote:

Yep, the right to keep and bear arms WOULD make a real difference in any sort of 'revolution', not that it's the main reason for such a law to exist.

Unarmed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people back down and do what they are told to do.

Armed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people pull out guns again and say "Are you really going to shoot your own countrymen?" - At this point we have a huge defection of military personnel and the whole situation changes.

As for other reasons... an armed population lowers violent crime rates... an armed population is free to defend themselves as they should be... any many others reasons.

You all can think what ya want, but I'll feel a bit safer that retired law enforcement (yes, including Kbarr) can be armed in a public location.

Sometimes I miss Kel'daoine, had a lot of fun there.

The armed populace lowering violent crime rates is b******t. If NO ONE but the militiary and police had firearms then I don't think we'd see many drive by bow and arrow shootings, do you? The fact is we can't enforce a rull like that so making them legal only allows citizens to compete with criminals. But in reality almost all criminals were a law abiding citizen at one point. Any way you slice it the argument is b******t.

Its fact kid, Look up the FBI crime rates in FLA and a few other states before and after the laws where changed to make them right to carry states.

Just because you don't like the idea that perps worrying about who might shoot back, doesn't make your argument valid.

FBI crime rates are stone facts.

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Posted: 08/06/04 - 03:28 Post subject:

Look at I think Australia Mugaaz, they ban guns and stabbing crimes went up, now they're trying to ban swords, after that they'll have to ban kitchen knives, then glass bottles, then rocks, etc... People will get attacked with violent crime nomatter what, atleast with guns the people can be armed with mostly the same weaponry as their assaliants.

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Therros
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Posted: 08/06/04 - 12:20 Post subject:

Mugaaz, your argument is different than mine. I guess you're trying to say that if EVERYONE REALLY was disarmed (i.e. the criminals too) then it'd be a safer place. I'm not even sure I agree with that, I think the criminals would just move down to knives and other weapons and continue their chosen profession but... You cannot disarm the criminals. Britain disarmed their legal populace years ago now... the number of guns used in crimes has gone where? It's not headed down yet, that's for sure. So by disarming a populace, we really mean disarming those who are willing to give up their guns...the law abiding citizens (or at least the naive ones). So, like has been said, check some gun crime rates in any country or state that has increased their gun 'control' laws. It almost always goes up. In fact, when Florida bumped up the gun control laws a few years back, not only did their gun crimes go up tremendously, but Georgia and Arkansaw went down. People believe criminals MOVED to Florida where the picking was easier. Course this last bit can't be proved, but it does make you think... if you were a criminal, wouldn't gun control make you happier?

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Posted: 08/06/04 - 15:29 Post subject:

Therros wrote:

Armed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people pull out guns again and say "Are you really going to shoot your own countrymen?" - At this point we have a huge defection of military personnel and the whole situation changes.

That's why UN "peacekeeping" forces would be used to suppress a rebellion in the USA.

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Posted: 08/06/04 - 15:33 Post subject:

Fabulez wrote:

Therros wrote:

Armed populace: The government turns it's troops upon it's people, points their guns at them and says "Do what we say or we shoot ya." The people pull out guns again and say "Are you really going to shoot your own countrymen?" - At this point we have a huge defection of military personnel and the whole situation changes.

That's why UN "peacekeeping" forces would be used to suppress a rebellion in the USA.

Now THAT is some funny shit.

/wipes off monitor.

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