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NickPSH
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 Posted: 04/10/05 - 16:09 Post subject: It's always the liberals and the democrats!
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The No. 3 Republican in the Senate said Sunday that embattled House Majority Leader Tom DeLay needs to answer questions about his ethics and "let the people then judge for themselves."
DeLay, R-Texas, has been dogged in recent months by reports questioning his overseas travel, campaign payments to family members and his connections to lobbyists who are under investigation.
"I think he has to come forward and lay out what he did and why he did it and let the people then judge for themselves," said Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Republican Conference.
"But from everything I've heard, again, from the comments and responding to those, is everything he's done was according to the law," Santorum told ABC's "This Week."
"Now you may not like some of the things he's done," Santorum said. "That's for the people of his district to decide, whether they want to approve that kind of behavior or not."
DeLay was admonished three times last year by the House ethics committee. He has blamed his woes on Democrats, liberal interest groups and the media.
House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said last week that the controversy was distracting DeLay from dealing with more pressing problems before Congress.
Santorum, however, said DeLay is "very effective in leading the House" and that "to date, has not been compromised."
A senior Democratic senator, Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, had this advice for the Republicans who control both the House and Senate: "Be careful about how closely you embrace Mr. DeLay."
Dodd cited the new rules for the ethics committee that House Republicans rammed through in the wake of DeLay's difficulties. Those rules require a bipartisan vote before an investigation can be launched. DeLay's office also helped mount a counterattack last fall against Rep. Joel Hefley, R-Colorado, who was the ethics committee chairman when it came down against DeLay.
"Unfortunately, in his particular case, there's a process that he's tried to change so they could actually reach a determination as to whether or not he's innocent or guilty of the things he's been charged with," Dodd said. "But this is not going to go away."
DeLay "becomes the poster child for a lot of the things the Democrats think are wrong about Republican leadership. As long as he's there, he's going to become a pretty good target," Dodd said on ABC.
The House leader, who took center stage in passing legislation designed to keep alive Terri Schiavo, also has found that President Bush and congressional colleagues are distancing themselves from his comments, after her death, about judges involved in her case.
"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior," DeLay said, raising the prospect of impeaching members of a separate and independent branch of government. Later, he complained of "an arrogant and out of control judiciary that thumbs its nose at Congress and the president."
Bush, declining to endorse DeLay's comments, said Friday that he supports "an independent judiciary." He added, "I believe in proper checks and balances."
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said last week that the judges "handled it in a fair and independent way," although he had hoped for a different result.
Democrats have said DeLay's remarks were tantamount to inciting violence against judges.
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Confused
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Posted: 04/10/05 - 16:32 Post subject:
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The difference between Republicans and Democrats is Republicans actually want him investigated and, if he's found guilty of crimes, punished. Conservatives are not beyond wrongdoing, but unlike liberals they punish those who have done wrong. As I recall, Clinton was never punished for his crimes because Democrats protected him. I also recall Nixon having to leave office because conservatives do not stand for corruption.
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NickPSH
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Posted: 04/10/05 - 16:41 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | The difference between Republicans and Democrats is Republicans actually want him investigated and, if he's found guilty of crimes, punished. Conservatives are not beyond wrongdoing, but unlike liberals they punish those who have done wrong. As I recall, Clinton was never punished for his crimes because Democrats protected him. I also recall Nixon having to leave office because conservatives do not stand for corruption. |
This is about an individual placing all the blame for his problems on Democrats, liberal interest groups and the media. You don't find that entertaining?
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 04/10/05 - 16:49 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | The difference between Republicans and Democrats is Republicans actually want him investigated and, if he's found guilty of crimes, punished. Conservatives are not beyond wrongdoing, but unlike liberals they punish those who have done wrong. As I recall, Clinton was never punished for his crimes because Democrats protected him. I also recall Nixon having to leave office because conservatives do not stand for corruption. |
It's funny how those politicians that the American people like (such as Clinton) aren't punished, but those that aren't as likable (such as Tom DeLay and Nixon) are punished!
Maybe the republicans need some likable people. I guarantee that they wouldn't give a shit about corruption if America didn't care.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 04/10/05 - 16:50 Post subject:
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Also, Nancy Pelosi: Patriot, Visionary, America's voice for the future. May God ensure her to be our next President!
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kbarr
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Location: New York, now go fuck off...
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Posted: 04/10/05 - 16:59 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | Also, Nancy Pelosi: Patriot, Visionary, America's voice for the future. May God ensure her to be our next President!
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Thats a scary thought.
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khrath
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Posted: 04/10/05 - 17:10 Post subject:
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teen forum plz!
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Old_Ralph
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 18:32 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | The difference between Republicans and Democrats is Republicans actually want him investigated and, if he's found guilty of crimes, punished. Conservatives are not beyond wrongdoing, but unlike liberals they punish those who have done wrong. As I recall, Clinton was never punished for his crimes because Democrats protected him. I also recall Nixon having to leave office because conservatives do not stand for corruption. |
Which is funny, because I seem to remember Gerald Ford pardoning him soon afterward.
And If your're planning on using the whole "Ford doesn't represent all Republicans!" defense, one could easily say the same thing about the Dems who protected Clinton.
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Vekril
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 19:56 Post subject:
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Old Ralph, whoever you are (another Mexifag alt?) there is a major difference.
Nixon was investigated, humiliated and forced out of office. All the pardon did was absolve him from criminal consequences. I think everyone agreed losing the highest office in the land was punishment enough for a political crime.
Clinton was protected and shielded from even a full impeachment, and remained in office, protected by his party to the end.
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Old_Ralph
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Posted: 04/27/05 - 21:52 Post subject:
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| Vekril wrote: | | Nixon was investigated, humiliated and forced out of office. All the pardon did was absolve him from criminal consequences. I think everyone agreed losing the highest office in the land was punishment enough for a political crime. |
True, I suppose I should expect that unless we elect a serial killer in the furture all Presidents will end up being pardoned by their successors.
The President is, in theory supposed to be an American citizen, it's unfortunate (though certainly not surprising) that he merely loses his job for something that could very well get many other Americans jailed.
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Zonk
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Posted: 04/28/05 - 02:18 Post subject:
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Old Ralph 4 teh whin!
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xammer99
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Posted: 04/29/05 - 20:55 Post subject:
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Actually it is a matter of tradition for a incoming Presidents to pardon the outgoing president pretty much immediately. What Ford did was just keep up the tradition. Ford did it for Nixon, Carter did it for Ford, Reagan did it for Carter, Bush did it for Reagan, Clinton did it for Bush, Bush did it for Clinton. All part of making sure that the guy going out doesn't get to be the target of some prosecutor who starts up a witch hunt because he's out to score some press.
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ATM Banana
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Posted: 05/02/05 - 02:00 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | The difference between Republicans and Democrats is Republicans actually want him investigated and, if he's found guilty of crimes, punished. Conservatives are not beyond wrongdoing, but unlike liberals they punish those who have done wrong. As I recall, Clinton was never punished for his crimes because Democrats protected him. I also recall Nixon having to leave office because conservatives do not stand for corruption. |
a concession with a tie to your reasoning that aids your point.
/jaw-drop
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Confused
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Posted: 05/02/05 - 10:24 Post subject:
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| ATM Banana wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | The difference between Republicans and Democrats is Republicans actually want him investigated and, if he's found guilty of crimes, punished. Conservatives are not beyond wrongdoing, but unlike liberals they punish those who have done wrong. As I recall, Clinton was never punished for his crimes because Democrats protected him. I also recall Nixon having to leave office because conservatives do not stand for corruption. |
a concession with a tie to your reasoning that aids your point.
/jaw-drop |
A contemporary case in point:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
A Democrat was given a trip by a lobbyist and the Democrats have not attacked him at all.
Republicans believe in the rule of law.
Democrats believe in the rule of Democrats.
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Zorin
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Posted: 05/02/05 - 19:52 Post subject:
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Which would be why Republicans are trying to rewrite ethics laws. 
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Brael
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Posted: 05/02/05 - 20:29 Post subject:
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Democrats and liberals in general aren't very ethical these days. They shouldn't have input on current ethics laws :/
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Confused
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Posted: 05/02/05 - 22:40 Post subject:
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| Zorin wrote: | | Which would be why Republicans are trying to rewrite ethics laws. |
No ex post facto prevents any "laws" (actually rules) from applying to Delay's situation. But yes. Republicans believe that legislation should originate from the will of the people, not the courts.
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Frehya
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Posted: 05/03/05 - 00:04 Post subject:
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| Brael wrote: | | Democrats and liberals in general aren't very ethical these days. They shouldn't have input on current ethics laws :/ |
quite frankly if you start looking into who is actually ethical, there will be just a tiny group of democrats and republicans left standing. The only ones left to make these laws that are only destined to be ignored by anyone with a financial stake in anything for any reason.
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Plat4PoP
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Posted: 05/03/05 - 19:31 Post subject:
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speaking of the Clinton **** Scandal...
did we ever find out who that Gay p********e Reporter that was pitching for Bush was sleeping with? The secret service was looking into how he got that access but I never heard anything on it except that they dont know how he got in with that fake name...
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Ikkan
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Posted: 05/04/05 - 09:07 Post subject:
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This whole Tom DeLay thing is so incredibly stupid. Beyond Capitol Hill, I think maybe 2% of Americans actually UNDERSTAND what he did, and that what he did was not illegal. So he hired his wife and daughter to be on his campaign staff, and he payed them for it? Politicans do it all the time. And around the elecetion there was the dispute about how he re-zoned areas in Texas to make it all favor Republicans in the elections. Well let's look at that, hi oh wait, only the state Legislative Branch can re-zone new areas, approved by the Governor. I don't think Tom DeLay is in either of those positions!
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Old_Ralph
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Posted: 05/13/05 - 16:59 Post subject:
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| Frehya wrote: | | Brael wrote: | | Democrats and liberals in general aren't very ethical these days. They shouldn't have input on current ethics laws :/ |
quite frankly if you start looking into who is actually ethical, there will be just a tiny group of democrats and republicans left standing. The only ones left to make these laws that are only destined to be ignored by anyone with a financial stake in anything for any reason. |
Very similar to the point I made above. Politicians are all dishonest bastards these days. Hell, most of them were back in the 1800s.
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Yellow Journalist
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Posted: 05/14/05 - 11:17 Post subject:
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I use to know a guy named ralph and he was old lol...
He was soooo funny and he cussed like a sailor.
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