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Luturb
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 Posted: 03/17/03 - 12:08 Post subject:
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Are those pictures real? if they are there's no way in hell that that driver didn't see her. He probably thought she would get out of the way, and she would have if she hadn't gotten caught in the debris.
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 12:17 Post subject:
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| Maelstrom wrote: | She had the guts to stand up for what she beleived and that a*****e never stopped until he passed on her...
And you guys find it funny?
She showed more courage then all of you morons will ever show in your life , sadly she got stuck and couldnt get away.
She wanted to say : Hey you sick f**k stop destroying these people's houses and yet you make fun of her?
An American woman about that...
God you guys SUCK.
Isreali's army is out of control and I bet events like this happen often these days.
When you are to the point of telling 1 of your soldier to drive a bulldozer and to drive throught as many houses as he can..you are a sick f**k. |
It was an accident and a horrible one at that, but she was an idiot. I certainly hope that all of the American "living shields" get out of Iraq before the US Airforce bombs them.
And, frankly, according to G.W.Bush, anyone who helps terrorists is a terrorist and deserves the same. Given the Palestinian terrorists that she was protecting, well, I don't think G.W.Bush would be too sympathetic.
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Jinu
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 12:22 Post subject:
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i'm checking out that website and i realized something:
they're all hippies, so its ok
http://www.palsolidarity.org/
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Manuva
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 14:07 Post subject:
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haha...those pictures are kind of funny
"Oops!"
Good riddance
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 14:18 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | haha...those pictures are kind of funny
"Oops!"
Good riddance |
Someone is dead. Even though that person was an idiot, she was a human being killed in the act, essentially, of caring for people. It's difficult to find that particularly funny.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 15:08 Post subject:
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i find it funny.. its not like there arent enough humans one dieing or even a million really means very little in the long run.. its like have a dumptruck full of m and m's and crying because one fell out into the road.
Ok now the real burning question.. did they rip down the house?!
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Syke
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 15:34 Post subject:
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| Krezlag wrote: | I think the protesters are also stupid to "nobly risk their lives" while expecting massive uproar when they happen to be killed doing something very dangerous.
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I don't think you could do much protesting.... while being dead.
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Syke
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 15:41 Post subject:
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Also, after looking at those pictures, you can see the window of the bulldozer right in front there...You're telling me you couldn't see her right in FRONT OF THE FUCKIGN BULLDOZER, Vekril?
You notice how far away she is standing relative to the Bulldozer?
If you can calculate the distance between her and the window, and then calculate the hight of the window or viewable area created by the window, from the inside of the vehicle, you can determine if he was able to see her or not.
But rough guestimation and keen eye sight only points to one thing, he was either blind, or she said something that hurt his feelings.
Something similar to the flagrant comments you guys toss around during a serious discussion, "You f*****g stupid shields, morons LOZL ROFLAK KEKEKE" Christ, have you no mercy?
and again, | www.palsolidarity.com wrote: | | At around 5pm the army bulldozers moved towards this house. Rachel was the first of the international group to arrive in front of the house. She stood on top of a mound of earth, wearing a bright orange jacket and waved to the bulldozer driver, shouting at him to stop. He didn't. The group report that the driver tipped sand over her, at which point she fell down. He then drove the machine over her while the rest of the group screamed at him to stop. After crushing her body with the forward motion of the vehicle, he then reversed. |
EDIT: Wait I forgot, I take back what I said, I forgot that jews have HUGE schnozzles, no wonder he couldn't see the poor girl.
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 15:50 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | Also, after looking at those pictures, you can see the window of the bulldozer right in front there...You're telling me you couldn't see her right in FRONT OF THE FUCKIGN BULLDOZER, Vekril?
You notice how far away she is standing relative to the Bulldozer?
If you can calculate the distance between her and the window, and then calculate the hight of the window or viewable area created by the window, from the inside of the vehicle, you can determine if he was able to see her or not.
But rough guestimation and keen eye sight only points to one thing, he was either blind, or she said something that hurt his feelings.
Something similar to the flagrant comments you guys toss around during a serious discussion, "You f*****g stupid shields, morons LOZL ROFLAK KEKEKE" Christ, have you no mercy?
EDIT: Wait I forgot, I take back what I said, I forgot that jews have HUGE schnozzles, no wonder he couldn't see the poor girl. |
1. Fact: Anti-semitisim always makes your argument more legitimate. Use it often!
2. Fact: Pro-Palestinian protestors ALWAYS speak the truth, JUST LIKE YASSER ARAFAT! Always make sure to put complete faith in the documentation they provide! (Saddam Hussein always speaks the truth too, so make sure to believe him as well!)
3. Fact: Israeli soldiers, as highly-trained professional military personnel, often kill people because their feelings have been hurt. Note: this is a technique taught to them by the U.S. Military.
4. Fact: My huge nose is just as likely to block my sight as is your protruding cranial ridge. However, my horns are less likely to get caught on low-hanging tree limbs than are your dragging forearms likely to get caught in the odd storm sewer.
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 15:53 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Krezlag wrote: | I think the protesters are also stupid to "nobly risk their lives" while expecting massive uproar when they happen to be killed doing something very dangerous.
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I don't think you could do much protesting.... while being dead. |
1. They're too foolish to believe they'd actually be harmed.
2. Buddhist monks during the Vietnam war were able to use suicide as a very effective kind of protest.
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Syke
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 15:56 Post subject:
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FACT 5: Read what some f**k typed on some message board called realpoor, and stop searching for answers. They're all here.
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Syke
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 15:57 Post subject:
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The whole point is to protest, not to die.
She isn't the messiah...She knows that. Why die when you can live and protest more?
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Maelstrom
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:01 Post subject:
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At 30 feets from the view of any bulldozer, its NOT possible that the driver never saw her with her jacket.
Again these trucks are built for the best security possible. Yes even the monster bulldozers.
If she have got hit from the side or the back I would have said : ok the driver didnt saw her even if normaly you arent supposed to drive such a big truck without 1-2 guy who guide you.
She was right in front of the bulldozer NOT possible that the driver didnt saw her unless he was blind.
bet hes having soo much fun passing trought houses so you can be sure that he had his eye fixed on his objective.
He prob said: Get out of the way b***h or ill pass on you.
1 thing, dont you guys find it funny that this bulldozer was alone without any protection from the army and that no one from the isreali's army could tell the guy to stop.
1 bulldozer passing throught palestinian houses and yet no one would have attacked the bulldozer?
hmmm...
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Vekril
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:01 Post subject:
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Syke again you are quoting reports from the website of the Palestinian activists. Do not assume anything on there is truthful. As I said earlier we all saw how honest and accurate they were when they reported about the non-existent Jenin massacre.
What do I think happened most likely? The bulldozer operator thought the dumb b***h would move as he got closer, she tried to play chicken and got stuck, and by that time he couldn't see her anymore as she had passed from his field of vision.
Moral of the story: don't stand in front of a bulldozer.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:04 Post subject:
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It seems more like Ghandi's march on the Dharasana Salt Works, or the protestors in Tienanman square. But you are assuming at least a modicum of humanity in the force you're facing. If they're cold blooded enough to deliberately kill a defenseless person, then personally you lose. In that case you're counting on the rest of the world to be sufficiently shocked to take action against a people who would condone murder of innocents.
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Maelstrom
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:09 Post subject:
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Vek you drive a big truck at low speed, you see a woman standing in fornt of you..she stand ther euntil shes out of your view's reach.
What do you do if you have 1 cell left in your brain?
You STOP get out and go kick her ass if shes still waiting there.
Most trucks here , snow machine, garbage truck etc..etc..simply stop when they see a child near etc..or have someone guide it and watch the child.
Yo ureally beleive that this bulldozer had no one to guide him, order him tell him what to do or even protect him from any terrorists that could have made the bulldozer explode?
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Syke
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:10 Post subject:
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I know I quoted the report from there, It's the fact that you haven't quoted...well...anything that allowed me to do that. All you did was tell us what you "think" discredits the story. well I don't f*****g buy it. Proof, proof, proof. Third, fourth, fifth, maybe 500,000th hand knowledge is credible since it's coming from you. right Vekril?
If you can show me some evidence that it was an accident, please do.
Until then, I'm going to continue mourning over the loss of another innocent human being, whether it was an accident or not. And I'm also going to speak up when someone makes a remark not befitting of them.
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Vekril
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:20 Post subject:
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scroll up Syke - I never said I had proof one way or another.
All I said was that the activists were not a credible source for what actually happened, and that we do not know the truth. I then cited factors lending credence to teh fact that it was most likely an accident. The largest factor being that Israel knows the shitstorm that any American deaths create, accidental or intentional.
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Minion
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:41 Post subject:
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She wasn't innocent. She involved herself into a situation. There wasn't anything innocent about it. She didn't accidently wander in, she stood there intentionally.
She was a victim of nothing but her own ideology. There's nothing to mourn for.
It wasn't stupid. People should be able to choose what their values are in life without being ridiculed by people who feel differently.
I'm not very old but I've lived long enough to see hordes of people who are selfish. People who talk about peace and passive protesting but when things turn to shit they're running for their lives. Don't get me wrong, she was no hero and odds are it solved nothing. I'm pretty sure the guy backed up after the ambulance drove away and continued to demolish the house anyway, and she probably knew that it would happen. I'm positive it must have crossed her mind that even if she died, it might not solve a damn thing. She gambled with those odds.
It's not her cause that should earn respect, it's the fact that unlike most protestors who are just following the crowd, she had a vision, and stuck with it until she eventually died to it. People shouldn't treat it as if her death shouldn't have happened, or that she should have gotten out of the way so she could have lived. She made the choice. Respect that decision and don't treat it as if it were a bad one.
Her death is meaningless to me. Regardless of whether the guy intended to crush her or not. I could care less about the house or whatever they were destroying too, I also don't give a shit about the group she was in, or their cause. She chose her cause herself and did what she thought she could for it. For that she has my respect, not my sympathy.
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Syke
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:42 Post subject:
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Factors closely resembles facts, are you saying you typed all facts?
Or are you saying you pulled all those "factors" out of your ass?
Enlighten us please, where did you find your sources? Do you speak for all jews because you're a jew? How do you know they wouldn't run over an american woman? How do you know that the man in the bulldozer doesn't already protest the American's trying to take out saddam and took it out on the white american girl messing up his work schedule? I'm feeling a bit left out here...You like to call people stupid and moronic for thinking a certain way...it seems to me that you relish in the fact that you are abounding in knowledge and draw pleasure from belittling people that may not be as well informed as you.
Please sir, I ask you this, spare the derogetory comments and give us the f*****g scoop if you have it...and you are 100% sure of it. If not, let us decide, we don't need any of your shit.
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Syke
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 16:47 Post subject:
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| Minion wrote: | She made the choice. Respect that decision and don't treat it as if it were a bad one.
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It's not that were treating the decision as if it were a bad one..not her decision.
It was the decision on the part of the man in the bulldozer that irks me, and probably everyone else. But I guess we won't really know what happened until God comes down with a magic flute and says.."Vekril was right, it was an accident. Syke's Assumption that the man's nose was too big was correct as well, so everyone wins. Yay."
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Minion
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 17:20 Post subject:
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Unfortunately the only conclusions anyone can draw about the driver are left to pure speculation and easily subject to bias.
The article seemed to focus more on her ambitions and tried to make it out like everyone should sympathize with her for being the "victim." Which is why I posted the above replies.
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Haroun Zehra
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 17:44 Post subject:
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| Syke wrote: | | Enlighten us please, where did you find your sources? Do you speak for all jews because you're a jew? |
If he does... does it mean you speak for all idiots and a******s?
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Ashenor
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 18:26 Post subject:
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all i have to say, which may shock some is, any moron that puts themself in harms way, should expect harm.
and israel would have to be the most stupid country on the planet to strike at the US on purpose again.
and I highly doubt that an order came from the Israeli government to run her over with a bull dozer =)
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Maelstrom
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 18:29 Post subject:
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Of course not, but are you telling that an Israeli's bulldozer was ALONE destroying houses around with no backup?
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Rennol
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 18:33 Post subject:
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I actually agree with Maelstrom or however you spell his name anyway on this.
To think that people would laugh at this woman is horrible, an American citizen at that. I think it is high time we re-evaluated our situation in Israel. I think the Palestinians and the Israelis should both f*****g go to hell.
They are bent on killing each other and nothing else.
As far as this woman goes, would you get out of the way if a bulldozer was going to run over you? I would. Even if I was in front of it before. The act of being in front of it was a symbolic gesture. The idea of them then going forward and running over an innocent woman is just an example of how badly we have all become de-sensitized to our humanity.
Anyways. I hope you all live to be 100 years old and die peacefully surrounded by naked women. But the fact is that a lot of people don't.
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Maelstrom
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 18:36 Post subject:
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100 years? As long that my penis will rise ill want to go on living...but when it wont stand up anymore..it will be time to leave.
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Rennol
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 18:36 Post subject:
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Minion also had some good points as always, very detached =p. In general though. The only person worth half a shit in Israel was Rabin and he was killed by his own people. I would have just thrown the entire country to the wolves when that happened.
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Kazkuk
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 18:48 Post subject:
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She obviously didnt give a f**k about dying if she was standing in front of it, so why should anyone else care if she died -.-
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Rennol
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 18:51 Post subject:
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Kazkuk, you must be a retard. Go back to wetting your bed and slobbering out of the corner of your mouth.
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