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Posted: 03/16/03 - 22:16 Post subject: Israeli army kills protester in gaza

An Israeli Army bulldozer today crushed to death an American woman who had kneeled in the dirt to prevent the armored vehicle from destroying a Palestinian home in the southern Gaza Strip, witnesses and hospital officials said. The Israeli military said the driver of the bulldozer had not seen the woman, and called it a "very regrettable accident." The woman, Rachel Corrie, 23, from Olympia, Wash., was among eight Americans and Britons who had been acting as "human shields" to try to stop the almost daily house demolitions by Israeli forces in Rafah, a town on Gaza's border with Egypt. When the bulldozer approached a house today, Ms. Corrie, who was wearing a bright orange jacket, dropped to her knees, a practice that members of the group to which she belonged, the International Solidarity Movement, have used repeatedly, her colleagues at the scene said. As the bulldozer reached her without slowing up, she began to rise, but was trapped beneath a pile of dirt generated by its blade and the blade itself, said one member of the group, Tom Dale, who said he was standing about 30 feet away. "We were shouting and waving our arms at the driver," said Mr. Dale, who is British. "We even had a megaphone. But the bulldozer kept going until she was under the body or the tracks of the bulldozer." The bulldozer stopped for a few seconds and pulled back, Mr. Dale added. Her colleagues rushed to Ms. Corrie, who was bleeding from the head and face and badly wounded, but still breathing. An ambulance took her to Najar Hospital, where she died. She had a fractured skull and other injuries, said Dr. Ali Moussa, a hospital administrator. At the time Ms. Corrie was run over, she was in an open area in front of the house, Mr. Dale said. The bulldozer came from some distance away, and "there was nothing to obscure the driver's view," he said. But Capt. Jacob Dallal, an army spokesman, said that the armored bulldozer had small windows and limited visibility, and that the driver had not been aware that Ms. Corrie was in his path. In a statement, the Israeli military said soldiers "were dealing with a group of protesters who were acting very irresponsibly, putting everyone in danger ?the Palestinians, themselves and our forces ?by intentionally placing themselves in a combat zone." About an hour before Ms. Corrie was killed, troops fired tear gas and shot into the air during a confrontation with the protesters at a nearby house, both Mr. Dale and the Israeli military said. The International Solidarity Movement is made up mostly of Americans and Europeans in their 20's and 30's who are sympathetic to the Palestinians and oppose the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. They have repeatedly placed themselves in front of Israeli forces operating in those areas. Last May, several members dashed past Israeli troops into the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, where Palestinian gunmen had been holed up for more than a month. The protesters remained for several days, until the standoff ended with the surrender of the gunmen. Ms. Corrie, who was to graduate from the Evergreen State College in Olympia this year, had been in Rafah for two months, living with Palestinians in areas where homes were being demolished, her colleagues said. In Olympia, Colin Reese, a student at Evergreen State and a close friend of Ms. Corrie, said she had focused much of her studies on community organizing. Describing her work in Gaza, he said, "She was particularly touched by the Palestinian situation and wanted to use her privilege as an American citizen to help defend against the Israeli occupation." One of Ms. Corrie's teachers at Evergreen was Larry Mosqueda, a professor of political economy and social change, who said her work in Gaza was a reflection of lessons taught at Evergreen that encourage students to put their education to practical use while still in college. "She has a strong sense of social justice," he said. "Basically, she wanted to do something about it instead of just talk about it." In an e-mail message this month, Ms. Corrie described a Feb. 14 standoff in which members of her group "stood in the path of the bulldozers and were physically pushed with the shovel backwards, taking shelter in a house." She added that "the bulldozer then proceeded on its course, demolishing one side of the house" with the protesters still inside. The Israeli Army and Palestinian militants wage frequent gun battles in Rafah. An unarmed Palestinian man was shot and killed by Israeli fire today in the town, said Palestinian security sources and hospital officials. The Israeli Army said it was checking the report. The military has flattened dozens of homes in Rafah, some because militants were using them for cover. The Israeli authorities have said the International Solidarity Movement's protesters prevent soldiers from acting against militants, and they have deported some members. Demonstrators have been hurt on a number of occasions, but Ms. Corrie was the first one killed. The Israeli troops "have shot over our heads, and shot near our feet ?they have fired tear gas at us," said Michael Shaik, media coordinator for the group. "But we thought we had an understanding. We didn't think they would kill us." From the NY Times, i'd link it, but u have to register to read it

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 22:21 Post subject:

i care... really. Don't get in the way if you dont want to get hurt.

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 22:24 Post subject:

1 down, 7 to go.

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:12 Post subject:

Israeli officials commented today, "Oops." In other news...

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:13 Post subject:

seriously good riddance do stupid shit then sometimes you pay for it. well atleast we know the jews own the chinks in the running retards over contest

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:27 Post subject:

given the public relations nightmare this will become, do you really think it was done on purpose? it is a horrible accident, but the stupid fk deserved it for playing chicken with an armored bulldozer f***g whining morons - the Israelis demolish houses of suicide bombers, or houses used by snipers to fire on Israeli citizens - not random houses of "poor civilians" where are the human shields at the Israeli border to stop the suicide bombers?

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:31 Post subject:

She had the guts to stand up for what she beleived and that a***e never stopped until he passed on her... And you guys find it funny? She showed more courage then all of you morons will ever show in your life , sadly she got stuck and couldnt get away. She wanted to say : Hey you sick fk stop destroying these people's houses and yet you make fun of her? An American woman about that... God you guys SUCK. Isreali's army is out of control and I bet events like this happen often these days. When you are to the point of telling 1 of your soldier to drive a bulldozer and to drive throught as many houses as he can..you are a sick f**k.

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:36 Post subject:

Vekril do you really beleive all the s***s you spit? You talk like Isreali NEVER do anything wrong. They are JUST AS SICK as the palestinian that use bombs. MY ASS that the driver never saw her, its NOT possible as bulldozer ALWAYS have good view its made to prevent accidents, and she wa sstanding there at 30 feets yelling at the guy and everyone around wa syelling at the morons and wawing at him, he passed on her from the FRONT not while going backward. he saw her and simply went on, he passed right on an American woman and yet you call her an idiot cause she tried to protect some people's home? Looks like Vekril will support his people no matter what they do.

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:47 Post subject:

Maelstrom wrote:

courage

French cannot use this word even if they are talking bout someone else. Its a bannable offence

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:48 Post subject:

And you know what???? If it would have ben a bulldozer from Iraq that would have passed o nthat American woman you can be sure at 100% that daddy Bush would have sent the army right away to Avenge her. But no... Bush wont even say anything about this story cause he need allies and wouldnt want to have any problem with isreal. Think about it , a bulldozer from Iraq passes on an American woman...I can already se ethat story in ALL the front pages of the news world wide and Bush yelling about how sick Iraq's people are... But no..you wont, and WORSE you can be sure that the US gouverment will prevent this story from going any further in the US just to prevent any political problem. cause she tried to stop a country "friend" with the US from destroying some Palestinian's houses..shes stupid. If she would have died protecting houses from Iraq people and get crushed by 1 of Saddam's soldier she would have got a Medal of Courage, and a big monument about her to show her American's true courage.

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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:51 Post subject:

Weiner

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Maelstrom
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Posted: 03/16/03 - 23:53 Post subject:

You would have heard Bush say : Rachel Corrie is the proof of the American courage and will to help the people of Iraq and thus the criminal who killed her and those who command him will all pay Saddam of course. You would have seen thousands of people in the streets praying for her , about her sacrifice etc..etc...etc... But no... She tried to stop an Isreali's bulldozer...so shes stupid. HYPOCRITES.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 00:10 Post subject:

Wait, wait.. lemme see if I've got this right. As the buldozer approached her, she tried to get up to run? Some protestor she is! "I think I'll chain myself to this tree in protest of your cutting it down.. but if you get too close to it with that chainsaw, I'm outa here!"

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Maelstrom
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 00:13 Post subject:

Alarach the driver saw her and he didnt stopped at all.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 00:20 Post subject:

But that wasn't my point. She's a f*****g flake. She got on her knees infront of this thing and acted like she was willing to give her life for the cause, thinking he would stop; but when he didn't stop, she tried to get up and run.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 00:32 Post subject:

She tried to do what everyone else would have done. No one would just stay there until a truck passes on him lol. She wasnt a fake.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 00:36 Post subject:

Then she wasn't very true to her cause, now was she? You're right. No one would just sit there and let the truck/tank/buldozer roll over them, which makes the whole thing moronic. The people who protest in that fashion are morons, too. "I'M GOING TO LAY HERE AND PROTEST BY ACTING LIKE I'M WILLING TO GIVE MY LIFE TO STOP THIS ARMORED VEHICLE.. unless it gets to close, and then I'll run away."

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 01:29 Post subject:

a few points you are wrong on Mealstorm: 1st - those are not ordinary construction bulldozers that you or I would ever see in our lifetime - they are massive heavily armored bulldozers (3x the size of a normal one) with very limited vision due to the armor that protects them from enemy fire and grenades 2nd - all we have right now are 2 sides to a story, of course the protestors will claim he saw her - they also claimed 500 people were massacred in the Jenin camp raid, and then teh truth came out after and Human Rights Watch put that number at around 50, virtually all militants - in other words, the accuracy of anyone's claims is suspect 3rd - Israel does not randomly bulldoze "innocent Palestinian homes." They go after the homes of suicide bombers and known militants, or those used by snipers, or those near the Egyptian border to cover smuggling tunnels. NOT random homes, and not homes of innocent civilians. 4th - Israel has already apologized for the accident. Accidents do happen in this world, and if you think Israel would ever kill an American on purpose you are dumber than I thought. 5th - Mealstorm as you know Americans in Israel have been killed by suicide bombers, including 5 at Hebrew University. By your logic, the Palestinians should already have been flattened by the US because of this - and those were intentional attacks on random innocent civilians in places known to be frequented by Americans. No debate, nothing to guess at - just cold, calculated slaughter of innocents. --- Why have we never seen the anti-war peace activists protesting the suicide bombers, or protesting Hamas which calls for the extermination of all Jews? Where are teh peace activists picketing mosques all over the Arab world where the Imans call for holy war and the massacre of Jews and Americans? Where are the peace activists picketing Saddam for torturing his own people? These people are hypocrites - they are not universal human rights advocates or peace protesters. They are advocates for their own particular cause just like anyone else, and they wrap themselves in the false language of "rights" to falsely claim the moral high ground. They hate Israel, they hate America, and they really hate conservatives - that is their true agenda.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 02:07 Post subject:

I knew you would make searchs just for me Vek

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 02:35 Post subject:

I honestly have trouble feeling sorry for the human shields. I mean, look at their name for crying out loud. I will say I don't know the details on this situation, but the concept of the human shield is absolutely retarded. They are asking to be hurt, standing in the way of massive machinery or hoping to obstruct warfare just because they are westerners. The fact that we are supposed to be outraged when one westerner dies, but when, say, a village of 5000 innocent - by innocent, I mean they didn't jump into harm's way - Africans is ruthlessly murdered, it has trouble making news on the back page. That inconsistency aside, I think the protesters are also stupid to "nobly risk their lives" while expecting massive uproar when they happen to be killed doing something very dangerous. It's only a matter of time until the bombs start to drop and these people are slain in larger numbers. I won't feel any sympathy then, either, because they willingly went into the danger zone. I haven't found a person who says that these protesters have a good point, because they really dont. It sucks when someone dies, but that's the reality of this world. I do feel sympathy for those who are carried away in conflict and slain against their choice like the victims of 9-11, but I certainly won't be sympathetic of someone who is only trying to obstruct the very humanity they rely upon to save themselves. Their only hope is that we are humane in our fighting, otherwise they'd be gunned down in moments, yet they fail to realize that they exercise this luxury only because of the military effective of the western powers. If the US really got desperate in a war, they would pay no heed to anyone who attempts to slow down their efforts at winning a war; especially not a bunch of civilians who expect to be untouchable based on their upbringing in western society. They are stupid. They are wrong to expect survival. I don't feel sad for them in the same way I don't feel sad for the murderer getting the death penalty. In not so many words, they both asked for it. In this circumstance, it was unfortunate that she died, but it wasn't an intentional killing. The only reason these people are still alive is because the western countries actually hold respect for human rights, yet they wish to hinder their ability to protect those rights.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 04:28 Post subject:

Vekril, you sad ct. Try doing a search for the Shabra and Shatila massacres before talking about them. Incase you don't know (or choose to pretend not to), in their 1982 invasion of Lebanon, the Israeli army encircled those two refugee camps, and sent in their lebanese allies, who with the assistance of Israeli soldiers tortured, raped, and slaughtered 2-3 thousand palestinians. The Israeli army bulldozing the houses of the suicide bombers? THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD, a*e. The only thing they are doing, is throwing their families to the street, who usually had no idea of what was going on, thus creating more hatred. Plus, they usually detonate explosives inside the house first, destroying all the houses next to them as well. Um, what else. Talking about hyporcisy and since you are into the explaining-the-unexplainable business, Israel has a universal draft and all its citizens are reservists, thus bombing attacks on them could be considerd military, and not terrorist. As for those imams who preach hate, they are arrested and sent to prison. I have yet to see any Jews like you who preach that Arabs are subhumans (you f*g Nazi) go to prison. Not to waste my typing energy anymore, Vekril, you are a stooge of the Israeli government. You are also a coward, since you feel so strongly about your home country (hint hint, not the US) and have never went there to take up arms to defend it, ot even join a kibutz. If Israel became an enemy of the US tomorrow, you and your kind would be the first to conduct campaigns against the US, since you are not an American, but an Israeli at heart. You are also a pathetic clown, who does nothing but google searches all day to prove his idiotic claims, as if anybody here cares. I understand that being a failure and cutting bagels at a Brooklyn deli for 2.50 an hour will be the peak of your achievements in life, but man, get a f*g life. Go and debate these issues with live people, don't worry you little coward, they won't attack you. I have debated with many Israelis and Jews, and never had a fight with any of them, so you're safe! Or go to Israel and join the army, who knows, maybe they have a career for you there! Unless your own side murders you for being such an obnoxious b*h.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 04:58 Post subject:

I can't feel too sorry for someone who got what they knew could/would happen. Especially one who tried to flee. But in the end she did what she wanted to do - bring attention to this subject, so I guess she won.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 07:17 Post subject:

I am sorry, sorry it wasn't Maelstrom j/k. Those bulldozers are high in the air, the guy was probably busy looking at other crap and didn't see her. He prob thought all the people waving and screaming were normal since he was bulldozing a house that people didn't want destroyed. Even though like Vek said its only the houses of the snipers/bombers they do. I tell you one thing, if these western/european human shields get blown up in the war, its their own damn fault. To think them standing around stuff will stop the war is idiotic. They are going to avoid as many civilian casualties as possible (due to having to rebuild/reform Iraq).

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 07:36 Post subject:

He was driving something like this most likely...http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Jan1998/980122-M-1807B-001.jpg

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 08:23 Post subject:

Where did anyone say she tried to run away when it got close? I haven't seen that anywhere. All I've seen it say is that she stood in front of the bulldozer in a bright colored jacket waving for it to stop, then lay down in front of it. The only reason this story got any attention is because she was an American. If she'd been Palestinian it would have been ignored. Palestinians are routinely killed by the Israelis during the house demolitions. Invariably the other Palestinians say that the house was demolished without warning with people inside, or that nearby people were killed by falling debris because the Israeli soldiers wouldn't let them flee. They aren't the houses of suicide bombers that are demolished. They're the houses of their relatives. It's the classic case of a corrupt government trying to control people by saying "we know you have family here, something bad could happen to them". It's also a war crime under the geneva convention. The comparison with China was apt.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 09:30 Post subject:

most likely what happened: the guy was intimidating her by trying to push her like they have in the past, and accidentally killed her

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 10:25 Post subject:

Passive protesting is nothing but a gamble with your targets morals and how far they're willing to go to get what they want. In the U.S. and a lot of countries, most are willing to run the risk of trying to intimidate you, few are willing to actually run the risk of trying to kill you. Why is this? Because the guy driving the buldozer isn't usually the guy who wants the house/building/tree/whatever torn down. He's just another average joe trying to make a living. This is why people rise up in droves to protest about pointless shit. There really isn't much danger involved unless a riot breaks out. Did she get what she deserved? Maybe. Did she get what she had coming to her? Definitely. You accept the roll of the dice when you try to protest. Despite the fact that there isn't a lot of danger involved, there's still that odd chance that you'll end up getting hurt by your own challenge. Assuming what Sin said was true about people frequently being killed in housing demolitions then she probably knew her odds were against her when she got involved. None the less she did it anyway and died by her own choice. Was it a tragedy? Absolutely not. Why sympathize with someone who chooses to die by their own free will? People suffering from depression kill themselves all the time but who cries for them? You'll find a lot of people just call them weak, saying they took the easy way out. This woman died by her own choice. Yet it's treated like a tragedy, why? Because there is someone to blame. People choose to ignore the fact that she challenged them herself, and jump straight to the conclusion that this was a horrible crime and that she should be mourned. Was it stupid of her to do it? No. I don't think it was. Why would it be stupid? Because people should fear death and flee at the first sign of danger? She didn't, does this make her stupid? Why's that? The value of life varries greatly from person to person. I'm totally indifferent with people who chose to end their lives by their own decision. There are lots of people who are willing to dedicate their lives to an idea, and if it comes down to it, die by that idea. This doesn't take "guts" or "balls." It's a question of how much a person values their own life. People who value an idea more than lives are nothing but minions to a concept that exists only in their mind. Their deaths aren't sob stories, but in my opinion they're not idiotic either. Courageous? Sure! Unfortunately when you dig below the stupid "valorous and brave" exterior of the word you find it's nothing more than a man weighing his life on a scale against his own philosophy.

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Posted: 03/17/03 - 10:55 Post subject:

Minion's point that you're gambling with your target's morals is right on the mark I think. Although I don't know that it necessarily means you value your own life more cheaply than other people. It might just be that you value your ideals more highly than others do. Or that you have a sense of the inate goodness in people that isn't born out by the specific people you're facing.

From the pictures, it looks like she was pretty visible.

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The confrontation between the ISM and the Israeli Army had been
under way for two hours when Rachel was run over. Rachel and the
other activists had clearly identified themselves as unarmed
international peace activists throughout the confrontation.

The Israeli Army are attempting to dishonour her memory by claiming
that Rachel was killed accidentally when she ran in front of the
bulldozer. Eye-witnesses to the murder insist that this is totally
untrue. Rachel was sitting in the path of the bulldozer as it
advanced towards her. When the bulldozer refused to stop or turn
aside she climbed up onto the mound of dirt and rubble being
gathered in front of it wearing a fluorescent jacket to look
directly at the driver who kept on advancing. The bulldozer
continued to advance so that she was pulled under the pile of dirt
and rubble. After she had disappeared from view the driver kept
advancing until the bulldozer was completely on top of her. The
driver did not lift the bulldozer blade and so she was crushed
beneath it. Then the driver backed off and the seven other ISM
activists taking part in the action rushed to dig out her body. An
ambulance rushed her to A-Najar hospital where she died.

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Minion
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 11:11 Post subject:

What I mean by that is in a life or death situation where you're given the choice to either abandon your idea, or die for it. People who die for it value the idea more than their lives. They weighed their life's worth against their idea. People who come to the conclusion that they value their life more than their idea, try to flee. People who value the idea more than their life, stand and face what they had brought on. My biggest question is where the hell were the other seven protestors? Ran away and watched or what?

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Jinu
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Posted: 03/17/03 - 12:03 Post subject:

sadly this bit of news will be a foot note in history right under U.S. GOES TO WAR WITH IRAQ

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