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Silvermouse
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| Akronn wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | For me, I hope there is some sort of pleasant afterlife... |
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When I die I want to go to Fantasia and I hope Minotaur Hero and Jack and Rose from Titanic are there and more!!
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motherface
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Posted: 03/19/05 - 12:38 Post subject:
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| kireol wrote: | | name 1 god that isnt impartial |
| ATM Banana wrote: | | satan, he hates everyone equally. |
Maybe you should look up the word impartial.
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Pankrat
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Posted: 03/19/05 - 15:21 Post subject:
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1) The King James version of the Bible is a 16th translation of the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. It is a solid translation but the language used is the King's English - there is nothing particularly special about the King James version except that it was the first translation made available to the general masses. If you want to read a Bible in English that is much more clear and easy to understand, try the New International Version (translated in the late 70's I believe).
According to the Bible is is God impartial? Yes, completely. God is just. God's law is unscrutable, and every human falls short of God's expectation. The wages of sin is death. We are all sinful and deserving of death. No human is perfect.
Pre-Christ, the Hebrews used the sacrificial system to atone for their sins (the sacrificing of an innocent lamb), this was mainly symbolic.
God wanted to give humaninty a choice and the ability to give up their sinful nature, but justice requires atonenment. God sent himself (Jesus or part of himself - "his Son") to be the living lamb and true perfect innocent sacrifice for the sins of humanity. He came and lived as one of us, but with a perfect non-sinful nature and was tortured and killed as "payment" for the sins of humanity. It is a gift freely given, all we have do to is confess our sins, accept the gift, and commit ourselves to doing the best we can to live according to God's laws. It is a choice. We are still imperfect and will still fail to live up to perfection. But as long as we have accepted God and strive to do what is right, our price has been paid.
Whether or not the gift of Jesus's sacrifice was a deal made with Satan or satisfies some other "code of justice" is a matter of speculation. Ultimately it comes down to a question of free will. God will not force anyone to accept him. Regardless, the matter of justice and payment has been settled.
After the resurrection, we will be remade as perfect beings - without the desire to do evil and will live happily ever after in some new "world" without sin or evil.
That is Christianity according to the Bible in a nutshell.
2) Yes, I do.
3) No, God either is or isn't and is or isn't whatever he/she/it is regardless of any limitations or ideas we have about Him. Our idea's about reality don't necessarily change reality.
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motherface
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Posted: 03/19/05 - 15:51 Post subject:
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If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it?
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pyrgomache
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Posted: 03/19/05 - 16:01 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it? |
How would we know, we're just his stupid creations.
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Eduin
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Posted: 03/19/05 - 19:19 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | According to which testament, Occulis? In the Old Testament he's a very wrathful god who exacts retribution on those who drserve it, and profusely tests those who don't.
In the New Testament he takes a back seat to Jeasus who is quite the opposite.
-Nah- |
Yet still people don't seem to step back and think, "wtf, this is bollox".
Regards,
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Mugaaz
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Posted: 03/19/05 - 23:25 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it? |
Do people realize how stupid this question is?
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Fattguyy
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Posted: 03/19/05 - 23:54 Post subject:
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| Mugaaz wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it? |
Do people realize how stupid this question is? |
If we are all God`s children and all men are equal, whats so special about Jesus.
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Mugaaz
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Posted: 03/20/05 - 00:03 Post subject:
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| Fattguyy wrote: | | Mugaaz wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it? |
Do people realize how stupid this question is? |
If we are all God`s children and all men are equal, whats so special about Jesus. |
This makes me ask a lot of questions.
A) What relevance my statement has to your question?
B) Why you feel the need to quote it to post your question?
C) Are you retarded?
D) Does anyone in the entire world take you seriously?
E) Are you capable of being anything other than a member of the look at me fad?
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Fattguyy
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Posted: 03/20/05 - 00:23 Post subject:
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| Mugaaz wrote: | | Fattguyy wrote: | | Mugaaz wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it? |
Do people realize how stupid this question is? |
If we are all God`s children and all men are equal, whats so special about Jesus. |
This makes me ask a lot of questions.
A) What relevance my statement has to your question?
B) Why you feel the need to quote it to post your question?
C) Are you retarded?
D) Does anyone in the entire world take you seriously?
E) Are you capable of bein
g anything other than a member of the look at me fad? |
1)It has everything to do with your question!
B) To make you angry.
3) Yes
D) Plenty of people.
5) Yes, you know nothing about me, not even a little bit.
F) Yes, I agree you are gay.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/20/05 - 03:53 Post subject:
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| Mugaaz wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it? |
Do people realize how stupid this question is? |
Sounds like he's talking about a paradox, except it answers itself.
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Tinladar
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 04:10 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Mugaaz wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it? |
Do people realize how stupid this question is? |
Sounds like he's talking about a paradox, except it answers itself. |
The answer is yes, he could create a rock that he couldn't lift, however you must realize that god isn't one single being he's 3 beings interconnected as one, as it says so many times in the bible.. therefore, one part of him couldn't lift it, but another part of him could.. == pwnt
Next, is god impartial..
*opinion*
Yes, he gave a predefined set of rules, and allowed the people to extrapolate on them, then he sent his son, who is a part of the trinity, and allowed a way to absolve sin other than blood sacrifice..
Now, so long as you repent your sins, and pray for forgiveness, and work towards walking the path of the one person who represents the ideals.. you will go to heaven. Impartiality at it's best...
*/opinion*
next, god is fake
""The logical process goes as such: A computer is not reliable if it has been programmed by chance rather than by rational design (e.g., hailstones falling at random on its keyboard). The human brain and the central nervous system are a computer. They may be much more, but they are at least a computer. So the human brain isn’t reliable if it has been programmed by mere chance. But if materialism is true, if the soul (or “I”) is only the brain, if there is no God and no human soul, then the brain has been programmed by mere chance. All the programming our brains have received, through heredity and environment, is ultimately only unintelligible, undesigned, random chance, brute facts, physical causes (i.e., happenings), not logical reasons. Therefore, materialism can’t be true. It refutes itself; it is self-referentially incoherent; it is a self-defeating position. Materialism destroys its own credentials. If the brain is nothing but blind atoms, we have no reason to trust it when it tells us about anything, including itself and atoms. Thus, if materialism is true, it is false. If there is nothing but atoms, we have no reason to believe there is nothing but atoms. It is an unintelligible position to hold. And if materialism is false, and if it is necessarily false (because it is self-defeating), then immaterialism is true""
teh pwn.. there's got to be a creator..
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Fattguyy
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 04:41 Post subject:
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Evolution !
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Darth_Vader
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 04:46 Post subject:
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There is no Christian god, there is only the Dark Side.
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Fattguyy
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| Darth_Vader wrote: | | There is no Christian god, there is only the Dark Side. |
I wish this were funny.
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Darth_Vader
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 05:01 Post subject:
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| Fattguyy wrote: | | Darth_Vader wrote: | | There is no Christian god, there is only the Dark Side. |
I wish this were funny. |
I wish YOUR MOM was funny.
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Tinladar
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 05:04 Post subject:
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| Darth_Vader wrote: | | Fattguyy wrote: | | Darth_Vader wrote: | | There is no Christian god, there is only the Dark Side. |
I wish this were funny. |
I wish YOUR MOM was funny. |
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 05:50 Post subject:
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| Darth_Vader wrote: | | There is no Christian god, there is only the Dark Side. |
There is no Dana...only Zuul!
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Owyyn
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 12:03 Post subject:
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| Tinladar wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Mugaaz wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | If god is omnipotent and can do anything, can god create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it? |
Do people realize how stupid this question is? |
Sounds like he's talking about a paradox, except it answers itself. |
The answer is yes, he could create a rock that he couldn't lift, however you must realize that god isn't one single being he's 3 beings interconnected as one, as it says so many times in the bible.. therefore, one part of him couldn't lift it, but another part of him could.. == pwnt
Next, is god impartial..
*opinion*
Yes, he gave a predefined set of rules, and allowed the people to extrapolate on them, then he sent his son, who is a part of the trinity, and allowed a way to absolve sin other than blood sacrifice..
Now, so long as you repent your sins, and pray for forgiveness, and work towards walking the path of the one person who represents the ideals.. you will go to heaven. Impartiality at it's best...
*/opinion*
next, god is fake
""The logical process goes as such: A computer is not reliable if it has been programmed by chance rather than by rational design (e.g., hailstones falling at random on its keyboard). The human brain and the central nervous system are a computer. They may be much more, but they are at least a computer. So the human brain isn’t reliable if it has been programmed by mere chance. But if materialism is true, if the soul (or “I”) is only the brain, if there is no God and no human soul, then the brain has been programmed by mere chance. All the programming our brains have received, through heredity and environment, is ultimately only unintelligible, undesigned, random chance, brute facts, physical causes (i.e., happenings), not logical reasons. Therefore, materialism can’t be true. It refutes itself; it is self-referentially incoherent; it is a self-defeating position. Materialism destroys its own credentials. If the brain is nothing but blind atoms, we have no reason to trust it when it tells us about anything, including itself and atoms. Thus, if materialism is true, it is false. If there is nothing but atoms, we have no reason to believe there is nothing but atoms. It is an unintelligible position to hold. And if materialism is false, and if it is necessarily false (because it is self-defeating), then immaterialism is true""
teh pwn.. there's got to be a creator.. |
Evolution is not hailstones on a keyboard. It's humorous how you say (actually you probably pasted this from randombibledribble.com) how it is unintelligible to deny a creator.
You're one of those people who think evolution is as believable as a tornado assembling a complete plane from scratch, huh?
http://www.creationtheory.org
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Devook
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 12:43 Post subject:
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| Tinladar wrote: | "The logical process goes as such: A computer is not reliable if it has been programmed by chance rather than by rational design (e.g., hailstones falling at random on its keyboard). The human brain and the central nervous system are a computer. They may be much more, but they are at least a computer. So the human brain isn’t reliable if it has been programmed by mere chance. But if materialism is true, if the soul (or “I”) is only the brain, if there is no God and no human soul, then the brain has been programmed by mere chance. All the programming our brains have received, through heredity and environment, is ultimately only unintelligible, undesigned, random chance, brute facts, physical causes (i.e., happenings), not logical reasons. Therefore, materialism can’t be true. It refutes itself; it is self-referentially incoherent; it is a self-defeating position. Materialism destroys its own credentials. If the brain is nothing but blind atoms, we have no reason to trust it when it tells us about anything, including itself and atoms. Thus, if materialism is true, it is false. If there is nothing but atoms, we have no reason to believe there is nothing but atoms. It is an unintelligible position to hold. And if materialism is false, and if it is necessarily false (because it is self-defeating), then immaterialism is true""
teh pwn.. there's got to be a creator.. |
I remember back in maybe 10th grade or something like that, one of my teachers taught us about all the wrong ways to try and argue something. Stuff like begging the question, proof by counter-example, etc. I wish I knew which teacher it was so I could give her this beautiful excerpt.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/21/05 - 16:36 Post subject:
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| Tinladar wrote: |
next, god is fake
""The logical process goes as such: A computer is not reliable if it has been programmed by chance rather than by rational design (e.g., hailstones falling at random on its keyboard). The human brain and the central nervous system are a computer. They may be much more, but they are at least a computer. So the human brain isn’t reliable if it has been programmed by mere chance. But if materialism is true, if the soul (or “I”) is only the brain, if there is no God and no human soul, then the brain has been programmed by mere chance. All the programming our brains have received, through heredity and environment, is ultimately only unintelligible, undesigned, random chance, brute facts, physical causes (i.e., happenings), not logical reasons. Therefore, materialism can’t be true. It refutes itself; it is self-referentially incoherent; it is a self-defeating position. Materialism destroys its own credentials. If the brain is nothing but blind atoms, we have no reason to trust it when it tells us about anything, including itself and atoms. Thus, if materialism is true, it is false. If there is nothing but atoms, we have no reason to believe there is nothing but atoms. It is an unintelligible position to hold. And if materialism is false, and if it is necessarily false (because it is self-defeating), then immaterialism is true""
teh pwn.. there's got to be a creator.. |
Or, we could just accept the fact that maybe we don't know everything about the way the universe works because we have barely left our own damn planet. Let's not jump to conclusions.
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Tinladar
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Posted: 03/23/05 - 01:56 Post subject:
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| Owyyn wrote: | Evolution is not hailstones on a keyboard. It's humorous how you say (actually you probably pasted this from randombibledribble.com) how it is unintelligible to deny a creator.
You're one of those people who think evolution is as believable as a tornado assembling a complete plane from scratch, huh?
http://www.creationtheory.org |
you'll notice, It didn't say that god was the creator, or rather that the bible is necessarily true.. no.. it said it's more liable to believe that there was some guiding force in our creation rather than us just randomly spawning out of the primordial goo =p
I didn't say the creator wasn't aliens or a gigantic penis that blew it's raidoactive goo on the earth from outer space..
now, in my own ideology
The more you try to disprove the creationist theory, and try to prove that there's no god, you Will fail... why? Easy.. if you say "oh well the galaxy is 65 billion years old! then i'll say "how do you know he didn't create it 65 billion years old today?"
you say "how do you explain the dinosaurs, or the old skulls" i would ask "How do you know he didn't create those in the earth to test the faith of believers?"
You're forgetting, by acknowledging our god as omipotent.. we in turn believe that if god felt like it, he could recreate the entire world's memory in an instant and have the past be completely different from the present..
For all i know, yesterday the world was dominated by rabid mutant chimps, kbarr was a full-fledged liberal democrat, you were a zealous christian and i was a raging athiest...
people underestimate god, and overestimate themselves..
that is all
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Leilu
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Posted: 03/23/05 - 12:33 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | When I die I want to go to Fantasia and I hope Minotaur Hero and Jack and Rose from Titanic are there and more!!
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My previous boyfriend got me into EQ during beta and introduced me to the whole MMO game thing. We used to camp for hero bracers and sell the plat from them on Ebay. I remember one night it was my turn to camp and he was like "ONE MORE SPAWN THEN YOU CAN COME TO BED!" Wtf!
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Vekril
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Posted: 03/23/05 - 13:14 Post subject:
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for the umpteenth time
religion and a belief in god are based on FAITH - you cannot prove it and you cannot disprove it, we can argue all we want but someone like Tinladar can babble his idiocy and still there is no way to conclusively prove he is wrong
science is based on fact, or theories supported by facts, but it cannot 100% disprove god or religion
So while arguing is fun and all, neither side can ever truly win - you either accept logic, faith, or a mixture of both
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kireol
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Posted: 03/23/05 - 13:17 Post subject:
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torah, bible code, and discovery FTW~!
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Frax
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Posted: 03/23/05 - 13:22 Post subject:
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How can someone who doesn't exist be impartial or not impartial?
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/23/05 - 15:10 Post subject:
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| Leilu wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | When I die I want to go to Fantasia and I hope Minotaur Hero and Jack and Rose from Titanic are there and more!!
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My previous boyfriend got me into EQ during beta and introduced me to the whole MMO game thing. We used to camp for hero bracers and sell the plat from them on Ebay. I remember one night it was my turn to camp and he was like "ONE MORE SPAWN THEN YOU CAN COME TO BED!" Wtf! |
So what you're saying is that you slept with Minotaur Hero?
Maury Povich: "When it comes to Leilu's baby, Minotaur Hero...you ARE the father!"
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Leilu
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Posted: 03/23/05 - 15:16 Post subject:
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Leilu tells Minotaur Hero_01, "Just give me your horn so I can go to sleep already."
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