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Brash
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:28 Post subject: Is preemptive war ok ?

Is preemptive war ok ?

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Rennol
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:35 Post subject:

unprovoked is kind of a nebulous concept

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Desaitar
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:40 Post subject:

preemptive, lol.

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Rennol
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:41 Post subject:

Desaitar wrote:

preemptive, lol.

Yeah, might want to head over to the ol' http://www.dictionary.com for that one, bro.

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Scrabler
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:48 Post subject:

Rennol wrote:

Desaitar wrote:

preemptive, lol.

Yeah, might want to head over to the ol' http://www.dictionary.com for that one, bro.

Well, it's kinda hard to have a preemptive war...someone has to start it some time. A "preemptive strike" is something completly different.

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Posted: 10/18/04 - 00:49 Post subject:

i know what the word means

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Posted: 10/18/04 - 08:45 Post subject:

Rennol wrote:

Yeah, might want to head over to the ol' http://www.dictionary.com for that one, bro.

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Brash
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:08 Post subject:

Rennol wrote:

Desaitar wrote:

preemptive, lol.

Yeah, might want to head over to the ol' http://www.dictionary.com for that one, bro.

One entry found for preemptive.

Main Entry: pre·emp·tive
Pronunciation: -'em(p)-tiv
Function: adjective
1 a : of or relating to preemption b : having power to preempt
2 of a bid in bridge : higher than necessary and intended to shut out bids by the opponents
3 : giving a stockholder first option to purchase new stock in an amount proportionate to his existing holdings
4 : marked by the seizing of the initiative : initiated by oneself <a preemptive attack>
- pre·emp·tive·ly adverb

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Brash
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:15 Post subject:

i guess i think that it is ok if there is a real immediate threat to us. as it turned out sadam was not a threat to us and most certainly not a immediate threat. you cant just go to war because someday sometime someone "might" be a threat i think ig you start a war based on the fact that someone is a threat and then you find out there was no danger you should step down from office in shame for the lives you have ended international relationships ruined and money wasted . if you dont step down for waging a unjustified war . then what the f**k is bad enough for you to step down for ? I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST POSIBLE THINGS A PREZ COULD DO IN OFFICE if you wanted clinton to step down for lieing about getting some head you should most certianly want bush to step down for this ..... I know some of you will come back and say he is and was a threat to us . please give a detailed explanation of how he was a threat to us anywhere in the somewhat near future..... Last edited by Brash on 10/18/04 - 12:32; edited 1 time in total

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themy
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:31 Post subject:

clinton didn't just lie to the american people, he committed purgery (lieing while under oath). and, iraq was an immediate threat to world peace based on their dealings with our allies. Not to mention they had mid ranged missles which they were not allowed to have. Just think of the crap that is hidden there when they even have banned weapons sitting out in public. Well mista hawnz bwix doesn't really do shit anyways so i guess they could have had those missles if the U.S. never stepped in.

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Brash
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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:46 Post subject:

themy wrote:

clinton didn't just lie to the american people, he committed purgery (lieing while under oath).

and, iraq was an immediate threat to world peace based on their dealings with our allies. Not to mention they had mid ranged missles which they were not allowed to have. Just think of the crap that is hidden there when they even have banned weapons sitting out in public. Well mista hawnz bwix doesn't really do shit anyways so i guess they could have had those missles if the U.S. never stepped in.

if they are a threat to the world than the world (UN) should deal with it how they collectively see fit .

if there is specific threat to the US than we should deal with it , there was and is no threat to the US from iraq.most certainly not a big enough one to justify a all out war and removal of government .

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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:54 Post subject:

Brash wrote:

themy wrote:

clinton didn't just lie to the american people, he committed purgery (lieing while under oath).

and, iraq was an immediate threat to world peace based on their dealings with our allies. Not to mention they had mid ranged missles which they were not allowed to have. Just think of the crap that is hidden there when they even have banned weapons sitting out in public. Well mista hawnz bwix doesn't really do shit anyways so i guess they could have had those missles if the U.S. never stepped in.

if they are a threat to the world than the world (UN) should deal with it how they collectively see fit .

if there is specific threat to the US than we should deal with it , there was and is no threat to the US from iraq.most certainly not a big enough one to justify a all out war and removal of government .

Hahahahahaha, the UN actually doing something.

Hahahahaha

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Posted: 10/18/04 - 12:58 Post subject:

Brash wrote:

i guess i think that it is ok if there is a real immediate threat to us.

as it turned out sadam was not a threat to us and most certainly not a immediate threat. you cant just go to war because someday sometime someone "might" be a threat

i think ig you start a war based on the fact that someone is a threat and then you find out there was no danger you should step down from office in shame for the lives you have ended international relationships ruined and money wasted . if you dont step down for waging a unjustified war . then what the f**k is bad enough for you to step down for ?

I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST POSIBLE THINGS A PREZ COULD DO IN OFFICE

if you wanted clinton to step down for lieing about getting some head you should most certianly want bush to step down for this .....

I know some of you will come back and say he is and was a threat to us . please give a detailed explanation of how he was a threat to us anywhere in the somewhat near future.....

Hi, I'm a conservative republican.

I think Bush should have stepped down.

No b******t.

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Brash
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 01:04 Post subject:

Manuva wrote:

Brash wrote:

i guess i think that it is ok if there is a real immediate threat to us.

as it turned out sadam was not a threat to us and most certainly not a immediate threat. you cant just go to war because someday sometime someone "might" be a threat

i think ig you start a war based on the fact that someone is a threat and then you find out there was no danger you should step down from office in shame for the lives you have ended international relationships ruined and money wasted . if you dont step down for waging a unjustified war . then what the f**k is bad enough for you to step down for ?

I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST POSIBLE THINGS A PREZ COULD DO IN OFFICE

if you wanted clinton to step down for lieing about getting some head you should most certianly want bush to step down for this .....

I know some of you will come back and say he is and was a threat to us . please give a detailed explanation of how he was a threat to us anywhere in the somewhat near future.....

Hi, I'm a conservative republican.

I think Bush should have stepped down.

No b******t.

im suprised more people are not calling for him to step down

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Posted: 10/21/04 - 01:57 Post subject:

Uhh people stepping down is not how we set up this country. We set it up so that if some one is a total f**k up they dont get to stay in a place of power longer then one term.

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Tolanin
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 02:27 Post subject:

UN isnt good at anything they are too weak and people all around are to unwilling to fund them.. they are not a stable body at all, giving them power would be dangerous as they could easily collapse into dictatorship.. and if they have a large army thats a danger, so long as its a weak body that just acts as a forum between the powers its good, giving it much power to act on its own is bad.. I dont trust the UN to look out for my interests, and even less than i trust our govt. there needs to be a balance of power in the world, theres no mystery as to why the 18th century was for the most part very peaceful... the UN mirroring the roman senate is good, the UN mirroring the roman imperium is bad.

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Mugaaz
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 12:43 Post subject:

UN will send him really nasty letters oh no.

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Posted: 10/21/04 - 12:59 Post subject:

themy wrote:

iraq was an immediate threat to world peace based on their dealings with our allies.

Wrong x1000, and once again, how do you account for the other countries that we're absolutely certain do pose clear and present danger to the United States but about whom we do absolutely nothing? On a scale of 1-10, Iraq's immediate threat to the US was MAYBE a 2. There are plenty of other countries that are 4s or 5s that are just left alone.

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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:09 Post subject:

I wonder if all of you who demand UN action/involvement remember that Iraq has violated 12 years worth of demands? How long does a country need to thumb their nose at the UN before force is used? how about 20 years? 30? And of course France (like they matter anyway in the scheme of things) didnt want to go to war with Iraq...they were trading oil and weapons for money LOL /boggle

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Confused
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:15 Post subject:

I'm just very happy that the US responded to Germany's invasion of NY with WW2. Oh....wait.....

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motherface
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:19 Post subject:

Yes. Because Germany conquering the entire continent of Europe is exactly the same as Iraq sitting around "wanting" to make some missiles. For you even to imply that 2002 Iraq and 1939 Germany represented similar threats to the US is completely asinine.

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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:28 Post subject:

motherface wrote:

Yes. Because Germany conquering the entire continent of Europe is exactly the same as Iraq sitting around "wanting" to make some missiles.

For you even to imply that 2002 Iraq and 1939 Germany represented similar threats to the US is completely asinine.

Wait...so Europe is part of America? Ok, I get it now. I just didn;t realize that fact.

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motherface
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:30 Post subject:

Are you really confused? Because you really seem more stupid than confused.

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Confused
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:31 Post subject:

Yeah. I don't even know. I mean, Germany attacked the US...right? We're talking about preemption, right? So obviously Europe is part of America, since America attacked Germany for attacking Europe.

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motherface
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:42 Post subject:

You're right. The Axis powers never attacked the United States. My mistake.

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Confused
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:45 Post subject:

motherface wrote:

You're right. The Axis powers never attacked the United States. My mistake.

Oh, Japan was allied with Germany. Sorry, I completely didn't know that. They must have skipped that chapter in every history book ever written. Of course "the middle east" never attacked the US either.

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Dyers
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 14:09 Post subject:

It's all about getting the guy out before he starts shit again. Nothing worse than waiting for something to happen. Here is an example. Teaching Magda, at a younger age, that wearing womens clothing and taking it in the ass when you are a man is wrong, would have prevented him from being a trans.