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Vekril
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 Posted: 03/18/03 - 11:57 Post subject: Iraqi Civilian casualties
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Everyone talks about Iraqi civilian casualties in the upcoming war, well let's talk numbers. One of the human rights groups did an extensive study and calculated that 34,000 Iraqi children die each month as a result of Saddam's policies. That is over 400,000 a year dead - and the figure is for children only.
Let's use that perspective on the war - every month France makes us delay, 34,000 Iraqi children die needlessly. Sure some will still die in the immediate aftermath of the war, perhaps an even higher number the first month, but in a very short time we will have a lot less Iraqis dying.
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Minion
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Posted: 03/18/03 - 11:59 Post subject:
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But they're mailing pretzels! SAVE THE CHILDRENS
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Mental_Hernia
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Posted: 03/18/03 - 12:06 Post subject:
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Vek, aren't you one of the people that are usually against anything said by human/animal/nature rights foundations? I do believe this is one of the first times Ive seen you side with one of them.
Just pointing that out..
Last edited by Mental_Hernia on 03/18/03 - 14:20; edited 1 time in total
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compusmack
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Posted: 03/18/03 - 12:58 Post subject:
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| Minion wrote: | | But they're mailing pretzels! SAVE THE CHILDRENS |
hehe
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Vekril
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Posted: 03/18/03 - 13:39 Post subject:
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I am far from siding with them MH - I am just using their numbers to make a different point. The study was just a general study done over the past decade regarding the suffering of the Iraqi people. Of course it blamed them on the American embargo, and not Saddam's misuse of oil funds and his actions that led to the embargo. I am applying it to the context of war. (well the news commentator I heard quote the facts was the first to make the comparison, wish I could remember which bleeding heart group it was)
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Petr
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Joined: 07 Mar 2003
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Posted: 03/18/03 - 14:12 Post subject:
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Vek brings up an excellent point that i would like to address. The anti-war f00lz here in this country talk about the children dieing and what not. Yet, they are already dieing over there, and dieing in greater numbers then i think a war could produce. I agree with Vek's assertation, there may be a small spike, but with getting rid of Saddam, that number will go down.
No anti-war protester has been able to answer this question... If your worried about children dieing in war, then it is ok to let their leader kill them?
It is ok to be anti-war i guess, but it is only strictly out of pure emotion, because their arguements break down on logic.
Petr
Right Wing Christian Conservative. 
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Pankrat
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Posted: 03/18/03 - 14:28 Post subject:
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I don't buy the 34000 children a month are dieing in Iraq. Outfits like that make up numbers to further their political causes - in this case they were trying to make the case that the US was responsible for 34k a month in death to children due to our sanctions of Iraq (Sadam gets a pass I guess).
In any case it doesn't change the point at all, continued inaction means more death and misery on a large scale than if we go in and take care of business.
Yes in the first few days of the war, more people may die than any particular day under Sadam, but in the long run the Iraqi's will be much better off and thousands and thousands of Iraqi lives will be saved.
Is this our purpose for going into Iraq? No, not really, but it is a really nice side benefit. Our real purpose is to disarm Sadam and remove him from power. The fact that we will be liberating Iraq is a huge bonus and Iraq's lucky day.
The thinking leaders of the anti-war crowd are not anti-war, they are just anti-USA or anti-republican. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
The mindless masses just like to go along with whatever sounds good at the moment and makes them feel cool and special.
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Xthos
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Posted: 03/19/03 - 00:00 Post subject:
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The Holocaust was just a rumor too....thats what some people believed, I find it VERY possible that those numbers, even if half are disturbing, guess so did Hussein, so disturbing he is building another Palace to push it to the 50k mark.
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