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Megalo
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 Posted: 03/17/04 - 14:18 Post subject: Iraq is starting to look like the next Vietnam.
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Not in minute details, but the overall feeling of it.
Popular opinion is dropping drastically. Most of the world thinks our country is sneaky and self-serving (took those bastards all this time to realize this? lol).
We have a half-assed police force trying to setup a democratic government (who's constitution says in very plain speak that the country is still run by Allah) for people who don't want us there!
Last time I was in the Marines (92'), we weren't trained to be the goddamned National Guard.
Everyday this POS drags on. Almost every day someone dies. And for what? f**k those people. Let em find their own way out of the 14th century.
Soon as we leave, some religious guru will seize control via Islam and the whole thing will be right back at square one.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 14:22 Post subject: Re: Iraq is starting to look like the next Vietnam.
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| Megalo wrote: | Not in minute details, but the overall feeling of it.
Popular opinion is dropping drastically. Most of the world thinks our country is sneaky and self-serving (took those bastards all this time to realize this? lol).
We have a half-assed police force trying to setup a democratic government (who's constitution says in very plain speak that the country is still run by Allah) for people who don't want us there!
Last time I was in the Marines (92'), we weren't trained to be the goddamned National Guard.
Everyday this POS drags on. Almost every day someone dies. And for what? f**k those people. Let em find their own way out of the 14th century.
Soon as we leave, some religious guru will seize control via Islam and the whole thing will be right back at square one. |
They're trying to avoid this last part, and sadly, this is how it has to be until they get a stable government setup. Country-building isn't easy, but we should be happy we have the resources to do it. We could have just bombed and left, but that would have been even worse.
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 14:25 Post subject: Re: Iraq is starting to look like the next Vietnam.
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| Megalo wrote: | Not in minute details, but the overall feeling of it.
Popular opinion is dropping drastically. Most of the world thinks our country is sneaky and self-serving (took those bastards all this time to realize this? lol).
We have a half-assed police force trying to setup a democratic government (who's constitution says in very plain speak that the country is still run by Allah) for people who don't want us there!
Last time I was in the Marines (92'), we weren't trained to be the goddamned National Guard.
Everyday this POS drags on. Almost every day someone dies. And for what? f**k those people. Let em find their own way out of the 14th century.
Soon as we leave, some religious guru will seize control via Islam and the whole thing will be right back at square one. |
It will be a forward base for the USA long after your childrens, children have been planted. No matter who is president now, or 40 years from now. As the sole mega power of the planet, we need to get a grip on all the annoying tribes that still exist. Slowly but surely we are doing just that.
Get a clue.
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sinrakin
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 14:28 Post subject:
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I don't think it's possible to have a revolution on other peoples' behalf, then hand them a country and expect them to govern it successfully. It might be that if you're not ready to seize freedom, you're not ready to exercise it.
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Megalo
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 14:30 Post subject:
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I'm afraid a lot of these smaller, yet more dangerous, religiously run countries are gonna step up one day.
All it takes is one nuke on their side. And if they honestly believe they're going to Allah, and will have an even better life if they take people with em...
It really does look worse and worse everyday. And we'll never have a long standing base in Iraq. Those people don't want us there. We were just the lesser of two evils.
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Frax
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 14:31 Post subject:
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Sure it is, the USA was founded on a revolution by rich white men who drug the poor along with them whent they tossed the finger up at the king.
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Paco
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 14:31 Post subject:
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you watch..the next country to get nuked will be in the middle east
place your bets on the times..hehe
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 14:53 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | I'm afraid a lot of these smaller, yet more dangerous, religiously run countries are gonna step up one day.
All it takes is one nuke on their side. And if they honestly believe they're going to Allah, and will have an even better life if they take people with em...
It really does look worse and worse everyday. And we'll never have a long standing base in Iraq. Those people don't want us there. We were just the lesser of two evils. |
They hit us with a few planes.
Then we took over 2 countries.
What do you think we will do, if they use a nuke on us?
LOL
And yes, we will have a long standing base in iraq and afghanistan. Why the f**k do you think we took them over? JUST to change the government? LOL, No brother, we are there for the duration. We will set them up nice and pretty with friendly ppl in charge and we will stay. The base won't be in the middle of a city, it will be far away where we can be in control of who can get close. They will continue to blow each other up thats for sure, but at least they will be dealing with it. We will be watching from a secure base and giving assistance when needed. Translation? We will be the muscle behind the government. Just watch.
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Confused
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 15:12 Post subject: Re: Iraq is starting to look like the next Vietnam.
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| Megalo wrote: | Not in minute details, but the overall feeling of it.
Popular opinion is dropping drastically. Most of the world thinks our country is sneaky and self-serving (took those bastards all this time to realize this? lol).
We have a half-assed police force trying to setup a democratic government (who's constitution says in very plain speak that the country is still run by Allah) for people who don't want us there!
Last time I was in the Marines (92'), we weren't trained to be the goddamned National Guard.
Everyday this POS drags on. Almost every day someone dies. And for what? f**k those people. Let em find their own way out of the 14th century.
Soon as we leave, some religious guru will seize control via Islam and the whole thing will be right back at square one. |
The constitution doesn't say anything about being ruled by Allah. The official religion is Muslim, but there are also guarantees for freedom of religion. A constitution has been signed and we're supposedly on track for a June turnover of power. After all these bombings, I suspect Iraq will actually become one of our most unlikely allies on the war with terror.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 15:35 Post subject:
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| Megalo wrote: | I'm afraid a lot of these smaller, yet more dangerous, religiously run countries are gonna step up one day.
All it takes is one nuke on their side. And if they honestly believe they're going to Allah, and will have an even better life if they take people with em...
It really does look worse and worse everyday. And we'll never have a long standing base in Iraq. Those people don't want us there. We were just the lesser of two evils. |
you also have the realize its the terrorists who are in danger of doing this not the established governments. Only the terrorists are so fanatical that they will die themselves for allah. even the guys in Iran who are in charge want 1 thing more than they want to be loved by Allah, they want power, and power doesnt come by nuking the worlds last super power. they use religion as a tool to control the people, they probably dont even believe what they say themselves or if they do theres still that kernal of doubt with them that stops them from being truely fanatical. You would say the Nazis were fanatical and many of the lesser ones were, but Hitler and the top guys were cold and calculating, they didnt enter into conflicts they didn't think they could win. To the leaders its all about getting and keeping power, the religious fanatism and hate against americans is only a tool to be used and discarded when it is no longer needed like all other tools.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 15:57 Post subject:
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Bush is a Warmonger pure and simple.
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:06 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | | Bush is a Warmonger pure and simple. |
You are an excellent example of how the stupid people in this country think. A young example yes, no doubt a product of liberal parents. Bush didn't start anything, but he sure as f**k is finishing it.
There needs to be a civil war here after we get done with all the sand people, so we can cull out your type.
Fudge packing liberal teenagers.
You and your ilk disgust me.
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Brash
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:07 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | Megalo wrote: | I'm afraid a lot of these smaller, yet more dangerous, religiously run countries are gonna step up one day.
All it takes is one nuke on their side. And if they honestly believe they're going to Allah, and will have an even better life if they take people with em...
It really does look worse and worse everyday. And we'll never have a long standing base in Iraq. Those people don't want us there. We were just the lesser of two evils. |
They hit us with a few planes.
Then we took over 2 countries.
What do you think we will do, if they use a nuke on us?
LOL
And yes, we will have a long standing base in iraq and afghanistan. Why the f**k do you think we took them over? JUST to change the government? LOL, No brother, we are there for the duration. We will set them up nice and pretty with friendly ppl in charge and we will stay. The base won't be in the middle of a city, it will be far away where we can be in control of who can get close. They will continue to blow each other up thats for sure, but at least they will be dealing with it. We will be watching from a secure base and giving assistance when needed. Translation? We will be the muscle behind the government. Just watch. |
Kbarr's reasons for why we are there change every time he posts
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:08 Post subject:
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Kbarr's reasons for why we are there change every time he posts |
Maybe in your mind, not in mine:)
Idiot.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:17 Post subject:
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Kbarr you're a moron.
Bush is just like his farther, cept he gets things done.
Both Warmongers.
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:22 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | Kbarr you're a moron.
Bush is just like his farther, cept he gets things done.
Both Warmongers. |
Fudge Packer!
I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!
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Celestra
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:35 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | I don't think it's possible to have a revolution on other peoples' behalf, then hand them a country and expect them to govern it successfully. It might be that if you're not ready to seize freedom, you're not ready to exercise it. |
I love you so. 
You might just be the only sane person on this board. *nod*
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wellspoken
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:39 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | Kbarr you're a moron.
Bush is just like his farther, cept he gets things done.
Both Warmongers. |
Fudge Packer!
I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!
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If you think so.
Idiot.
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:43 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | | Kbarr wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | Kbarr you're a moron.
Bush is just like his farther, cept he gets things done.
Both Warmongers. |
Fudge Packer!
I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!
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If you think so.
Idiot. |
Yes I am, you fudge packer.
You know this.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 16:46 Post subject:
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GOD.
You're worse than a little kid.
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 17:23 Post subject:
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| wellspoken wrote: | GOD.
You're worse than a little kid. |
Incorrect.
You are the little child, a fudge packer to be exact. I am the annoying adult figure you are angry at....why?
BECAUSE I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!
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Bait Masterson
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 18:05 Post subject:
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its only the beginning, wait till we play cowboys and muslims and start passing out blankets ^ ^
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 18:19 Post subject:
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Its a b***h alright
Iraq is f****d up
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A thunderous car bomb shattered a five-story hotel housing foreigners in central Baghdad on Wednesday night, killing 27 people and leaving a jagged, 20-foot-wide crater just days before the anniversary of the start of the Iraq war.
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Flames and heavy smoke burst skyward from the Mount Lebanon Hotel, torching nearby homes, offices and shops along with palm and eucalyptus trees. Rescuers pulled bodies from the rubble and searched for other victims of the attack, which wounded 41 people.
Dazed and wounded people stumbled from the wreckage. A father cradled his young daughter, who was limp in his arms. Coated in dust, some rescuers dug through the debris with bare hands as uniformed firefighters fought the blaze and ambulance workers stood by with orange stretchers.
It was huge boom followed by complete darkness and then the red glow of a fire, said 16-year-old Walid Mohammed Abdel-Maguid, who lives near the hotel. A U.S. soldier a mile away said the blast which took place about 8 p.m. felt as though it were next door.
Army Col. Ralph Baker of the 1st Armored Division estimated that the bomb contained 1,000 pounds of explosives. He said the bomb was a mix of plastic explosives and artillery shells. That was the same mixture of explosives used in the Aug. 19 suicide attack on the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad, which killed 22 people.
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Zapper
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 18:21 Post subject:
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| sinrakin wrote: | | I don't think it's possible to have a revolution on other peoples' behalf, then hand them a country and expect them to govern it successfully. It might be that if you're not ready to seize freedom, you're not ready to exercise it. |
Wow thats good
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Jinu
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 18:21 Post subject:
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The Vietnamese were not unhappy with the communist regime. Iraqis were extremely unhappy with Saddam's regime.
If the US can pull out earlier, the smoother the transition to a stable country Iraq can become.
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wellspoken
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 18:25 Post subject:
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| Kbarr wrote: | | wellspoken wrote: | GOD.
You're worse than a little kid. |
Incorrect.
You are the little child, a fudge packer to be exact. I am the annoying adult figure you are angry at....why?
BECAUSE I AM THE BOSS OF YOU! |
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 18:43 Post subject: Re: Iraq is starting to look like the next Vietnam.
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| Megalo wrote: | Not in minute details, but the overall feeling of it.
Popular opinion is dropping drastically. Most of the world thinks our country is sneaky and self-serving (took those bastards all this time to realize this? lol).
We have a half-assed police force trying to setup a democratic government (who's constitution says in very plain speak that the country is still run by Allah) for people who don't want us there!
Last time I was in the Marines (92'), we weren't trained to be the goddamned National Guard.
Everyday this POS drags on. Almost every day someone dies. And for what? f**k those people. Let em find their own way out of the 14th century.
Soon as we leave, some religious guru will seize control via Islam and the whole thing will be right back at square one. |
Youre right.
Quagmire...money pit...and no wmd
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Confused
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 18:47 Post subject: Re: Iraq is starting to look like the next Vietnam.
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | Megalo wrote: | Not in minute details, but the overall feeling of it.
Popular opinion is dropping drastically. Most of the world thinks our country is sneaky and self-serving (took those bastards all this time to realize this? lol).
We have a half-assed police force trying to setup a democratic government (who's constitution says in very plain speak that the country is still run by Allah) for people who don't want us there!
Last time I was in the Marines (92'), we weren't trained to be the goddamned National Guard.
Everyday this POS drags on. Almost every day someone dies. And for what? f**k those people. Let em find their own way out of the 14th century.
Soon as we leave, some religious guru will seize control via Islam and the whole thing will be right back at square one. |
Youre right.
Quagmire...money pit...and no wmd
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What other key phrases has Terry McAuliffe taught you? Tool.
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Tolanin
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 19:19 Post subject:
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| Jinu wrote: | The Vietnamese were not unhappy with the communist regime. Iraqis were extremely unhappy with Saddam's regime.
If the US can pull out earlier, the smoother the transition to a stable country Iraq can become. |
ya but there are alot of key differences too, the oposition in iraq is not anywhere near what the oposition in vietnam was numbers wise, they dont have a million soldiers with the latest russian weapons to through against us in Iraq. I think really thats the major difference, theres no organized resistance, no other side for people to join up with enmass, and still iraq has relatively few casualtys, we need this war to prove we arent afraid to spend american life for what we believe in. The western world has moved a long way from the days when 100,000+ combat casualtys in a week was acceptable. And to an eastern world thats still willing to take loses like that its a weakness, they think they can bleed us dry quickly because our tolerance is low, garunteed that if they thought we were willing to take loses that were really high the number of attacks would drop a ton. Not that high loses are good but being to weak as a country to stomach losing less than 1000 men in an entire year of fighting means our days at the top of the military power pyramid are severely numbered.
Maximum gain for acceptable cost is one of the key rules to war, you must be willing to lose people to achieve a goal, and if our acceptable cost for gaining a major foothold in an important region and securing fuel reserves for the next 30 years is only 1000 men then we are a country doomed to be second rate.
Really the media is as much at fault for this as anyone, constantly showing all the poor suffering people and all the people saying bring people home now! Its sad really, short term thinking like that is bad for the country, home now is nice, you have 20 years, then the oil is gone, the prices are too high, food is short now because theres no more fuel, the economy is failing, the deathtoll far from being the original 1000 it would have been to buy 20 more years of fuel to give time to develope alternatives is not balooning out of control, into the millions.
Really people think long term, the Iraqis get freedom they want, the US gets oil that we need, and we lose a few hundred billion dollars and a few soldiers/civilians. the voices in our society saying "give in, its not worth the cost, give in, let them do what they want we will be safe in our shell" are those same voices that said those same things about a man named Adolf Hitler.
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Posted: 03/17/04 - 19:20 Post subject: Re: Iraq is starting to look like the next Vietnam.
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| Phoenix wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Megalo wrote: | Not in minute details, but the overall feeling of it.
Popular opinion is dropping drastically. Most of the world thinks our country is sneaky and self-serving (took those bastards all this time to realize this? lol).
We have a half-assed police force trying to setup a democratic government (who's constitution says in very plain speak that the country is still run by Allah) for people who don't want us there!
Last time I was in the Marines (92'), we weren't trained to be the goddamned National Guard.
Everyday this POS drags on. Almost every day someone dies. And for what? f**k those people. Let em find their own way out of the 14th century.
Soon as we leave, some religious guru will seize control via Islam and the whole thing will be right back at square one. |
Youre right.
Quagmire...money pit...and no wmd
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What other key phrases has Terry McAuliffe taught you? Tool. |
Hehe realpoor republicans are such c***s...voice an opinion that they do not share and risk their castrated, innfectual and impotent wrath.
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