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 Posted: 10/20/04 - 18:46 Post subject: Iran? North Korea!
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Melee
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Posted: 10/20/04 - 18:58 Post subject:
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lmao
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wellspoken
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Posted: 10/20/04 - 19:33 Post subject:
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Thuphir
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 01:01 Post subject:
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A conflict with Iran is much more likely, imo.
Inevitable, really.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 09:25 Post subject:
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| Thuphir wrote: | A conflict with Iran is much more likely, imo.
Inevitable, really. |
Yeah, we're doing such a great job with Iraq. Iran would be no problem.
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Confused
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 11:26 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Thuphir wrote: | A conflict with Iran is much more likely, imo.
Inevitable, really. |
Yeah, we're doing such a great job with Iraq. Iran would be no problem. |
Yeah, it's a good thing we never went to war with Germany in WW2 since fighting Japan was difficult.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:33 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Thuphir wrote: | A conflict with Iran is much more likely, imo.
Inevitable, really. |
Yeah, we're doing such a great job with Iraq. Iran would be no problem. |
Yeah, it's a good thing we never went to war with Germany in WW2 since fighting Japan was difficult. |
The situations are exactly the same. Iran is poised to take over Asia. We should intervene.
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Confused
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:38 Post subject:
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| Silvermouse wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Rennol wrote: | | Thuphir wrote: | A conflict with Iran is much more likely, imo.
Inevitable, really. |
Yeah, we're doing such a great job with Iraq. Iran would be no problem. |
Yeah, it's a good thing we never went to war with Germany in WW2 since fighting Japan was difficult. |
The situations are exactly the same. Iran is poised to take over Asia. We should intervene. |
Actually they are, given their impending nuclear capability. Of course they'll probably use them on the west. I'm with you, though. I vote we let them. Being a leftist, I have an innate self-destructive nihilistic tendency.
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motherface
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 13:53 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | Actually they are, given their impending nuclear capability. Of course they'll probably use them on the west. I'm with you, though. I vote we let them. Being a leftist, I have an innate self-destructive nihilistic tendency. |
Once again you are trying to compare Iran or Iraq to WW2 Germany because they "want" missiles. Are you 11? Because you're using 11-year-old logic.
Meanwhile another country says "HEHE WE R MAKING NUKEZ" but since they have no oil and there's no political gain from "liberating" them, they're left alone.
| Quote: | North Korea says it is withdrawing immediately from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which seeks to control the spread of nuclear technology.
The official Korean Central News Agency said that, although Pyongyang was pulling out of the NPT, it had no intention of producing nuclear weapons.
"Our nuclear activities at this stage will be confined only to peaceful purposes such as the production of electricity," Friday's statement said.
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Confused
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 14:02 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | Actually they are, given their impending nuclear capability. Of course they'll probably use them on the west. I'm with you, though. I vote we let them. Being a leftist, I have an innate self-destructive nihilistic tendency. |
Once again you are trying to compare Iran or Iraq to WW2 Germany because they "want" missiles. Are you 11? Because you're using 11-year-old logic.
Meanwhile another country says "HEHE WE R MAKING NUKEZ" but since they have no oil and there's no political gain from "liberating" them, they're left alone.
| Quote: | North Korea says it is withdrawing immediately from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which seeks to control the spread of nuclear technology.
The official Korean Central News Agency said that, although Pyongyang was pulling out of the NPT, it had no intention of producing nuclear weapons.
"Our nuclear activities at this stage will be confined only to peaceful purposes such as the production of electricity," Friday's statement said.
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North Korea is just an example of the effectiveness of mutual assured destruction.
And you've failed to say how Germany differs from Iraq. Germany didn't threaten the US. They didn't attack the US. Japan did. Kind of reminds of Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course Iraq's military capability was less than Germany's, so invading them comes at much less of a cost, even if the threat was the same.
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motherface
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 14:04 Post subject:
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The differences are self-evident. If you refuse to acknowledge them, nothing I can say will change your mind.
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Confused
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 14:20 Post subject:
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| motherface wrote: | | The differences are self-evident. If you refuse to acknowledge them, nothing I can say will change your mind. |
There are many differences, but the concept is the same. That's why you refuse to give an explanation. Germany did not threaten the US. They did not attack the US. Japan attacked the US and America responded by attacking both Japan (who attacked us) and Germany (who did not). Just like Germany, Iraq committed atrocities on the same level. Saddam Hussein was a military dictator, just like Hitler. Like Hitler, Saddam attempted (but failed) to conquer his region. The greatest difference is the fact that Iraq was even more united with its terrorist neighbors than was anticipated, so America finds itself battling terrorists friendly to the former Iraq from several nations in the region while trying to ensure its national stability, which only reinforces Bush's claims. Germany didn't have that.
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Rennol
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 14:47 Post subject:
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| Confused wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | The differences are self-evident. If you refuse to acknowledge them, nothing I can say will change your mind. |
There are many differences, but the concept is the same. That's why you refuse to give an explanation. Germany did not threaten the US. They did not attack the US. Japan attacked the US and America responded by attacking both Japan (who attacked us) and Germany (who did not). Just like Germany, Iraq committed atrocities on the same level. Saddam Hussein was a military dictator, just like Hitler. Like Hitler, Saddam attempted (but failed) to conquer his region. The greatest difference is the fact that Iraq was even more united with its terrorist neighbors than was anticipated, so America finds itself battling terrorists friendly to the former Iraq from several nations in the region while trying to ensure its national stability, which only reinforces Bush's claims. Germany didn't have that. |
Once again your command of history fails you. Although the details of the complicated foreign policy of the U.S. in the early 1940's are probably quite beyond your limited grasp, it would behoove you to know that Germany declared war on the United States on the morning of December 11, 1941.
Later that day, Roosevelt sent this message to Congress:
| Quote: | To the Congress of the United States:
On the morning of Dec. 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States. The long-known and the long-expected has thus taken place. The forces endeavoring to enslave the entire world now are moving toward this hemisphere. Never before has there been a greater challenge to life, liberty and civilization. Delay invites great danger. Rapid and united effort by all of the peoples of the world who are determined to remain free will insure a world victory of the forces of justice and of righteousness over the forces of savagery and of barbarism. Italy also has declared war against the United States.
I therefore request the Congress to recognize a state of war between the United States and Germany, and between the United States and Italy.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
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Now, it matters not that the U.S. would have eventually gotten involved, thanks to Roosevelts feelings on the matter. The Germans had actually attacked U.S. ships (perhaps on accident) before that date, as well. The USS Reuben James had been sunk by a German U-Boat prior to the outbreak of war, and an undeclared "shoot on sight" policy existed in the Atlantic as early as June 1941.
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Confused
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Posted: 10/21/04 - 15:05 Post subject:
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| Rennol wrote: | | Confused wrote: | | motherface wrote: | | The differences are self-evident. If you refuse to acknowledge them, nothing I can say will change your mind. |
There are many differences, but the concept is the same. That's why you refuse to give an explanation. Germany did not threaten the US. They did not attack the US. Japan attacked the US and America responded by attacking both Japan (who attacked us) and Germany (who did not). Just like Germany, Iraq committed atrocities on the same level. Saddam Hussein was a military dictator, just like Hitler. Like Hitler, Saddam attempted (but failed) to conquer his region. The greatest difference is the fact that Iraq was even more united with its terrorist neighbors than was anticipated, so America finds itself battling terrorists friendly to the former Iraq from several nations in the region while trying to ensure its national stability, which only reinforces Bush's claims. Germany didn't have that. |
Once again your command of history fails you. Although the details of the complicated foreign policy of the U.S. in the early 1940's are probably quite beyond your limited grasp, it would behoove you to know that Germany declared war on the United States on the morning of December 11, 1941.
Later that day, Roosevelt sent this message to Congress:
| Quote: | To the Congress of the United States:
On the morning of Dec. 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States. The long-known and the long-expected has thus taken place. The forces endeavoring to enslave the entire world now are moving toward this hemisphere. Never before has there been a greater challenge to life, liberty and civilization. Delay invites great danger. Rapid and united effort by all of the peoples of the world who are determined to remain free will insure a world victory of the forces of justice and of righteousness over the forces of savagery and of barbarism. Italy also has declared war against the United States.
I therefore request the Congress to recognize a state of war between the United States and Germany, and between the United States and Italy.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
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Now, it matters not that the U.S. would have eventually gotten involved, thanks to Roosevelts feelings on the matter. The Germans had actually attacked U.S. ships (perhaps on accident) before that date, as well. The USS Reuben James had been sunk by a German U-Boat prior to the outbreak of war, and an undeclared "shoot on sight" policy existed in the Atlantic as early as June 1941. |
So paperwork is now your definition of preemtive action? Hmmm...I guess attempting to assassinate the first president Bush doesn't count. Go figure.
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