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Paco
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Nahualli
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These people had to write a dissertation to explain something that's always been obvious?
-Nah-
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Paco
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 14:48 Post subject:
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It was a study, actually. You might even learn something sir. Something that wasn't obvious to even you, perish the thought.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 14:55 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | | It was a study, actually. You might even learn something sir. Something that wasn't obvious to even you, perish the thought. |
Umm... you and I are both in the IT industry (or were, whichever the case may be). You and I both know that even at the lowest levels of IT you have access to a lot of information that could potentially hurt the company you work for if not cripple it. Everything from bankroll software to email systems are entrusted to people who work in IT by corporate jackoffs who don't know shit about how it actually works.
What part of this wasn't obvious? Plus, that shit's long.
-Nah-
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Paco
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 15:00 Post subject:
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Ahh, grasshoppa, you miss the point.
This is a brief summary for you then:
This is what NOT to do and get caught.
Better? 
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Confused
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 15:06 Post subject:
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I have all sorts of access to $80 million/year and could probably take large sums relatively easily without leaving a trace, but I'm honest. Even if I hated the people I work for (they're really cool) I wouldn't take anything.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 15:08 Post subject:
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Let me expand on that last point a little bit here so it doesn't look like I'm talking out of my ass.
I've been working in JP Morgan Chase IT for 5 years now come August 18th.
In that time I have survived 3 mergers. Hambrecht&Quist >> Chase, Chase >> JP Morgan and JP Morgan >> BankOne.
When I first started working at Hambrecht&Quist I was doing Exchange support. 4 months after I started, Chase came in and since they're a Notes shop I got cross-trained in Notes support. I now had admin level to every Exchange AND Notes server on the West Coast and Latin America. That's a total of 5 orgs and about 250 servers, probably about 12,000 user accounts give or take a few grand.
Well lo and behold a year later JP Morgan comes in and I get moved into Messaging / Server Ops. My admin priviledges extended to now include NT servers in the same region (West Coast). I also now had admin access to the backup servers storing the data from all the machines on the West Coast.
Our Exchange infrastructure was eventually retired in its entirety so that went away, but I then went to work in AD systems on top of NT and Notes. Another level of admin rights granted.
Well as luck would have it BankOne comes in and moves me into problem management. Guess what? Because of the nature of the job I have to have access to EVERY SINGLE : Citrix server, Novell tree, AD/NT server, all their backups and oh hey guess what they forgot to remove my Notes access. I can still look at half the company's inbox by using the handy backdoor that was set up with no password - that's right no password on any of our superuser accounts for Lotus Notes, and a shared superuser account for all AD/NT servers that every member of the AD/NT support group has.
That's a lot of f*****g servers, a lot of f*****g passwords, and a lot of f*****g information I've gotten access to in a measly 5 years of working in an infrastructure that is so big and so cumbersome that access is never removed if a person is transitioned, only if they are terminated.
You mean to tell me I have to read all that doc to know that potentially I could dig up some piece of information that could not be traced back to me and that could cause financial damage to my company? I really don't think so.
-Nah-
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 15:10 Post subject:
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| Paco wrote: | Ahh, grasshoppa, you miss the point.
This is a brief summary for you then:
This is what NOT to do and get caught.
Better? |
I see your point.. but I guess I would rather see a study on how f**k top corporate IT is and how we can improve that monster.
-Nah-
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 15:15 Post subject:
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I also want to add that I got cheated. The most I can do I think is leak trader data. I never got into online banking or personal investments. That's where the REAL money is at. If all you do is wholesale banking or stock trading, you're f****d because those guys can't even have external email addresses thanks to SEC regulations, so the amount of data you can mine from them is very scant. You have to know what to look for, and I don't .. so no money to be made there for me 
-Nah-
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 15:18 Post subject:
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Ok Paco you piqued my interest so I've looked at about half that document. I take back what I said at first. This really is specific to disgruntled employees, not just marginally-happy or apathetic employees looking to make a quick buck off their employers.
Wrong study. Can you find one for me that's more what I'm looking for?
-Nah-
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 15:25 Post subject:
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Gah, I just keep going back to it and I keep drawing up a big scratchy-head face....
I understand now what I said this shit was obvious from the start. Things like "Management needs to take a better look at employees experiencing negative work circumstances" (paraphrased)
Do you let your ex drive your car after you broke up with him/her?
Do you let someone in your house who you've had a scuffle with in the past or who has threatened you or your family?
Do you leave the keys to your safe deposit box with someone who has a crack habit?
Why would you let someone retain access or at least remain unsupervised when you know they're being skipped for a promotion or being fired?
See Paco, things like this are, I hate to say it, OBVIOUS. I know that's not the *whole* point of the study but it sure comes up with some pretty no-brainer conculsions in some cases.
-Nah-
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Occulis
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 16:17 Post subject:
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 16:18 Post subject:
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| Occulis wrote: | | real f****n - live girls - c**k on t**t action - click here |
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Paco
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 16:55 Post subject:
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Ok, I guess I should have shot the first inquiry with the following:
Sir,maytheforcebewithyou,
The world does not revolve around you.
maytheforcebewithyou,
Paco
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NickPSH
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 17:01 Post subject:
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I'm eating a taco.
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Frax
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 17:15 Post subject:
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| NickPSH wrote: | | I'm eating a taco. |
The same taco that paco fondled?
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NickPSH
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 17:21 Post subject:
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| Frax wrote: | | NickPSH wrote: | | I'm eating a taco. |
The same taco that paco fondled? |
Negative captain.
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Manuva
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 21:46 Post subject:
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| Nahualli wrote: | Let me expand on that last point a little bit here so it doesn't look like I'm talking out of my ass.
I've been working in JP Morgan Chase IT for 5 years now come August 18th.
In that time I have survived 3 mergers. Hambrecht&Quist >> Chase, Chase >> JP Morgan and JP Morgan >> BankOne.
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Dude
If you would happen to erase the balance on my bank one credit card...I'd consent to you f*****g me in the ass.
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Nahualli
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Posted: 06/01/05 - 22:24 Post subject:
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| Manuva wrote: | | Nahualli wrote: | Let me expand on that last point a little bit here so it doesn't look like I'm talking out of my ass.
I've been working in JP Morgan Chase IT for 5 years now come August 18th.
In that time I have survived 3 mergers. Hambrecht&Quist >> Chase, Chase >> JP Morgan and JP Morgan >> BankOne.
-Nah- |
Dude
If you would happen to erase the balance on my bank one credit card...I'd consent to you f*****g me in the ass. |
See, sometimes I really wish I did work in that department, I would have offers like yours coming out of my ears. Unfortunately, I don't. Sorry man
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Manuva
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Posted: 06/02/05 - 01:48 Post subject:
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Don't be sorry, your loss as much as mine.
My virgin anus would be nice and tight.
And we could play the "NO PLEASE DONT GOD KEEP IT OUT OF MY ASS AAAAAAH WHAT THE f**k IM NOT LIKE THAT HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP
.....hey...that don't feel so bad" game
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