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Trebel
Luke Warm
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 Posted: 10/11/04 - 18:39 Post subject: Interesting Email I got
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Lemme see; have I got this straight?
I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head
so I'll know how to vote come November. Right now, we have one guy saying
one thing. Then the other guy says something else. Who to believe. Lemme
see; have I got this straight?
Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists- good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...
Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...
Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
Ahh, it's so confusing!
Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax
burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This is
the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the government. This
year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the earliest it has been
since 1991. It?s latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice
anything special about those dates?
Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no
explanation and provided no data for this claim.
Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy
men.
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all
worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old
barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame).
Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a
way to avoid paying his own.
Now granted I do see the bias in it, but the facts are sound. The swing that the democrats try to put on everything is insane.
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Merican
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 18:53 Post subject:
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woa $$
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Docter
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 19:42 Post subject:
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Those facts are correct Trebel...
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Frax
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Location: Fuck yoiu fucking fuckers
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 20:13 Post subject:
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Don't keep posting facts you'll only get called a dirty conservative
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 20:44 Post subject:
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just so we make it clear where these "facts" came from.
you should post linky
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Ikkan
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 21:19 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | just so we make it clear where these "facts" came from.
you should post linky |
YES BECAUSE FACTS ARE ONLY FACTS IF THEY ARE FROM JOHN KERRY OR MOVEON.ORG! STUPID TREBEL 
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Kurel
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Location: Cali
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 21:41 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | just so we make it clear where these "facts" came from.
you should post linky |
You talk down on my reading comprehension, but maybe you failed to see the part where he states "Interesting E-mail".
Yes, please do "post a link to that E-mail" on your hard drive.
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Devook
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 21:58 Post subject:
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| Kurel wrote: | | Obmar wrote: | just so we make it clear where these "facts" came from.
you should post linky |
You talk down on my reading comprehension, but maybe you failed to see the part where he states "Interesting E-mail".
Yes, please do "post a link to that E-mail" on your hard drive. |
EMAIL'S ARE ALWAYS FACT TOO. I GOT AN EMAIL THAT SAID I WOULD DIE IN 10 DAYS IF I DIDN'T FORWARD IT TO EVERYONE I KNEW AND I DIDN'T FORWARD IT TO EVERYONE I KNEW AND THEN I DIED!!!!!!!!!!
<3 chain e-mails.
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Docter
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 22:06 Post subject:
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| Devook wrote: | EMAIL'S ARE ALWAYS FACT TOO. I GOT AN EMAIL THAT SAID I WOULD DIE IN 10 DAYS IF I DIDN'T FORWARD IT TO EVERYONE I KNEW AND I DIDN'T FORWARD IT TO EVERYONE I KNEW AND THEN I DIED!!!!!!!!!!
<3 chain e-mails. |
If only we were so fortunate.
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Trebel
Luke Warm
Joined: 13 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 22:30 Post subject:
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Well these facts are obviously documented outside of this email. If you are going to attack the validity of these statements then attack them with counter facts rather then pure conjecture and propaganda.
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/11/04 - 23:57 Post subject:
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please people
email sometimes reference their statistics
obviously this one didn't
which should tell anyone something
I credit this with the same karma that I might one of those , "Send 10 replys to this and win a CAR!!!!" emails
pulease
jesus has this election spawned a bunch of idiots that will accept anything at all as fact?
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Trebel
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 00:09 Post subject:
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How about you dispute the facts? 90% of those are blatant matters of recent US history or of public record.
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Brash
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 00:36 Post subject:
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apples and apples or apples and oranges ?
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 01:24 Post subject:
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Nobody cares.
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Obmar
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Joined: 22 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 01:26 Post subject:
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| Trebel wrote: | | Well these facts are obviously documented outside of this email. If you are going to attack the validity of these statements then attack them with counter facts rather then pure conjecture and propaganda. |
lol whatever man you posted it
all i asked was that you reference your numbers.. which you can only trace back to some chainmail??
f**k you chump you support your shit then i'll try to spend my time looking up some sort of counter argument
d*****s
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Trebel
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 02:54 Post subject:
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I don't need to support my shit, its common knowledge. That would be like me posting "World War 2 happened" and then some common ass asking for my sources. Its a matter of public record and common knowledge. Which fact is it that you dispute exactly? Or is it that you are blindly criticizing because you are a liberal vag face and just want to attempt to dispute anything seen as deragatory to your party. Get some counter facts and maybe I'll listen to you. Until then stfu, and go read up on modern history and specifically the Clinton administration.
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khrath
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 03:17 Post subject:
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Passing the stuff off as being not true without something to back it up is stupid.
Passing it off as true would also be stupid without having something to back it up.
Calling it an interresting bunch of tidbits, that may or may not be true is about all you can do.
I think that pretty much summarizes the entire election though =)
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Taadieri
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 05:27 Post subject:
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The original list has a few outright lies, an even larger number of attempts to equate or contrast completely unrelated events, a few cases where the writers are correct except in implying that liberals approved of the side labeled "good". However, rather than go down the list point by point and correct the record, it is much more fun to play the same game from the other side (and hopefully with more accuracy).
Clinton lies about **** = worthy of impeachment
Bush lies about reasons for going to war = good
Clinton bombs Al Qaeda training camps in Afhanistan = wag the dog
Bush raises the terror alert level every time his poll numbers drop = good
No foreign terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11/2001 to present = proof Bush plan is working
No foreign terrorist attacks on U.S. soil for 8 years after 1993 WTC bomb attack = Clinton was weak on terror
Perpetrators of WTC bomb attack arrested, convicted and imprisoned = bad
Bin Laden escapes from Tora Bora during Afghan war = good
Biggest budget surplus in US history under Clinton = bad
Biggest budget deficit in US history under Bush = good
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khrath
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 06:11 Post subject:
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| Taadieri wrote: |
Clinton lies about **** = worthy of impeachment
Bush lies about reasons for going to war = good
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When did bush lie about why he went to war?
Seems to me he's always been up front about his reasonings. Some may have ended up being false leads, but that is by no means him lieing.
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Obmar
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 08:48 Post subject:
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Yeah I don't think he lied
I think he was perhaps too eager to believe, and may have overstated his case in order to achieve his own personal goals, but I don't think he was lying. Lying would imply that he knew their was no WMD and went anyway.
The only thing I can really accuse him of, is being too eager to war.
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Conqueso
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 09:08 Post subject:
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| Obmar wrote: | Yeah I don't think he lied
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Yea, I agree. We got bad intelligence. I am still wondering why France planted the fake yellowcake docs in Niger. I guess one positive result of it all is that it pointed out major changes were needed in our intelligence operations.
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Brash
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 13:08 Post subject:
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blows my kind how people believe every f*****g email sent to them.
i think this email started from this j*****s
http://www.liddyshow.us/liddyfile43.php
ripped this off from another site.
Originally posted by the broken bobber:
I'm confused
Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
What contract was that?
Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Clinton spent $8 billion, Bush $200 billion
Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
How many Americans died in Serbia (hint: ZERO)
Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists- good... Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad... Eastern Orthdox racists to be exact. Clinton told us why we were going into Yugo, Bush lied. We have liberated 25 million people and left them in chaos. We followed through in Yugo and had other countries to help with the price tag.
Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad... US military makes a mistake and bombs Chinese embassy -- bad mistake. Bush bombs terrorist camp -- AWESOME!
Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad... Who cares if Clinton lied about getting a BJ? Over 800 American people have died since Bush declared "Mission Accomplished!"
No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad... What drugs are you taking? They've found plenty of mass graves in Kosovo, but still no WMD's in Iraq.
Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...Largest economic surge in history under Clinton --good. First Prez with net job loss since Herbert Hoover under Bush -- bad.
Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad... What crimes were we going to charge Bin Laden with? There was no evidence. WTC collapse bad under any prez.
Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad... Saber rattling and war are two different methods. How much did Clinton's saber rattling cost us in lives and money?
Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...See above response.
Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...Both very good!
Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad... They're both still in jail -- Good. Price tag for Sadaam, not worth it.
Ahh, it's so confusing!
Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the government.
This year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the earliest it has been since 1991. It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about those dates? Yes, the budget was balanced in 2000.
Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.Seen your property taxes lately. DMV fees? Tolls? Phone bill taxes? Airport taxes? Yada, yada, yada
Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame).
Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own. Yeah, Kerry has a wife who pays the taxes. Damn, I'm jealous
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 13:35 Post subject:
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Bush did not rush to war. Iraq has 12 years of UN resolution violations to justify the turnover.
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Brash
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 14:17 Post subject:
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| myndwarrp wrote: | | Bush did not rush to war. Iraq has 12 years of UN resolution violations to justify the turnover. |
to justify the UN taking action not the US
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Conqueso
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 14:51 Post subject:
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Heh, well I guess Sadam firing on US jets in the "no fly" zone, rebuilding AA, etc would constitute an end of the "cease fire" agreement. The UN is impotent and corrupt.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 15:03 Post subject:
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Nice racist caricature of Mandela.
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SkilledShaman
Luke Warm
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 15:05 Post subject:
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These facts are not alll true. Some/Many ae simple republican views on given issues. Of course, bias always wins 
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Dyers
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 15:13 Post subject:
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This one's not racist.
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Silvermouse
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 15:17 Post subject:
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That one is just as bad for the other side.
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myndwarrp
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 15:26 Post subject:
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| Quote: | myndwarrp wrote:
Bush did not rush to war. Iraq has 12 years of UN resolution violations to justify the turnover.
to justify the UN taking action not the US |
ok...so who will tell the other 12 UN countries there with us that they arent really there? /boggle
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