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Silvermouse
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Joined: 12 Oct 2002
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 Posted: 10/27/04 - 12:27 Post subject:
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| Plat4PoP wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Kurel wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | Kerry is one of the people who voted on behalf of outsourcing, to allow even more of it.
Not Bush.
Just because something sucks doesn't make it Bush's fault just because you don't like him.
| Quote: | | Kerry owns 18 factories in Asia and the Pacific, leases four factories in Europe, four in Asia, and owns factories in Mexico and the Caribbean. |
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The Bush administration has stated that it LOVES outsourcing...and that outsourcing is great for America..that is Bushs stance ON THE RECORD.
Kerry wants to move those jobs back to the US by evening the playing field with tax incentives...all your boy will do is exactly more of the same. |
What jobs? Menial labor jobs? Let the Indians have those. s****y programing jobs that take little education to do? Let them have those too.
Seriously, if you can't find a job in this country, you're either:
A.) Lazy
B.) Uneducated
OH WOE AS ME, I DROPPED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND CAN'T FIND A JOB! |
I agree with Kurel. |
I am not Lazy or Uneducated yet I have lost 4 jobs over the past 3 years to outsourcing.
You can find a job but it pay less than 2/3 or less of what you got a few years ago and thats only if you have kept up with the latest and greatest. |
I'm not saying that the job will pay as much as your old job, but there IS a job out there, even if it is just flipping burgers while you look for another job in your field.
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themy
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 12:44 Post subject:
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I believe outsourcing is a good thing for the companies. But, we need to instate a global living wage so that our jobs are not lost to people working for next to nothing.
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Vekril
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Joined: 15 Oct 2002
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Location: Jersey
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 13:06 Post subject:
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Are you aware that the percentage of jobs outsourced in this country is less than 1% of our total? And that we "insource" more than 5 times as many jobs from foreign companies with locations within the US?
I don't have links but I believe it was Neil Cavuto on Fox who did a big column on this earlier this fall, and someone else from Heritage had a large article in the Wall Street Journal on the same subject.
great political issue, but except for a few industries (manufacturing, customer service, and some tech/programming) it is not really a problem
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 18:15 Post subject:
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Everyone here who supports outsourcing are perfect examples of the Republicans stance on any subject.
"Everythings fine nothing is wrong...go about your daily business, if we think we need to change we will inform you, so dont bother trying to improve things"
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Kurel
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Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Cali
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 18:26 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | Everyone here who supports outsourcing are perfect examples of the Republicans stance on any subject.
"Everythings fine nothing is wrong...go about your daily business, if we think we need to change we will inform you, so dont bother trying to improve things" |
Or they're people who understand economics.
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quotison
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Joined: 13 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 18:36 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | Everyone here who supports outsourcing are perfect examples of the Republicans stance on any subject.
"Everythings fine nothing is wrong...go about your daily business, if we think we need to change we will inform you, so dont bother trying to improve things" |
Its not a matter of 'supporting' outsourcing- its just a part of life in a free market economy, which you don't seem to understand.
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 19:42 Post subject:
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| quotison wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | Everyone here who supports outsourcing are perfect examples of the Republicans stance on any subject.
"Everythings fine nothing is wrong...go about your daily business, if we think we need to change we will inform you, so dont bother trying to improve things" |
Its not a matter of 'supporting' outsourcing- its just a part of life in a free market economy, which you don't seem to understand. |
Actually if you read what I said earlier, I admitted that you cant stop progress...I understand it fine.
I just think Kerry does a much better job addressing the issue with incentives etc than Bush does...
Kerrys not going to stop outsourcing entirely, thats ridiculous....but he wants to bring some of those jobs back to the US...thats responsible.
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Jarec
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Joined: 16 Oct 2002
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 22:56 Post subject:
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There's an even worse problem ongoing in the United States and even more so in Great Britain (due to lax immigration and work permit laws) that's far more a threat than outsourcing is, and it's been ongoing for many years now.
It's a concept known as bodyshopping or in-sourcing, whereby workers from countries such as India are brought into the US & UK on temporary work visas for periods of 6-12 months, are given a salary that's peanuts in this country but very high by their own country's standards, have their living expenses covered and work very long hours (12-14 hours a day).
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Zab
Sir Postalot
Joined: 07 Mar 2003
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 01:25 Post subject:
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| Lillyannya wrote: | | Silvermouse wrote: | | Kurel wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | | Khrath wrote: | Kerry is one of the people who voted on behalf of outsourcing, to allow even more of it.
Not Bush.
Just because something sucks doesn't make it Bush's fault just because you don't like him.
| Quote: | | Kerry owns 18 factories in Asia and the Pacific, leases four factories in Europe, four in Asia, and owns factories in Mexico and the Caribbean. |
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The Bush administration has stated that it LOVES outsourcing...and that outsourcing is great for America..that is Bushs stance ON THE RECORD.
Kerry wants to move those jobs back to the US by evening the playing field with tax incentives...all your boy will do is exactly more of the same. |
What jobs? Menial labor jobs? Let the Indians have those. s****y programing jobs that take little education to do? Let them have those too.
Seriously, if you can't find a job in this country, you're either:
A.) Lazy
B.) Uneducated
OH WOE AS ME, I DROPPED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND CAN'T FIND A JOB! |
I agree with Kurel. |
Actually while I was pregnant with my son I went to a trade college basically.. For medical assisting... I graduated near the top of my class with a 3.52 GPA (I was a high school drop out with a GPA of .075 or something).. I think that's pretty good.. I'm not lazy.. When I did find a job I worked my ass off for 10-16 hours a day!...
So there goes your point out the window.. Not all people are lazy and/or uneducated.. Some of them honestly can't find jobs!... |
MA's can make good money easily. Sign up as a government contractor. Good benefits and good pay. My job is basicly that of an MA in the military. I can do and work basicly anywhere in any hospital i want not counting specialty areas such as nuerology or cardiology ( although the military does offer courses so i can work these positions ). We currently have 5 civilian MA's working in the military clinic i work in right now. They pull in 12-14 dollars an hour 8 hours a day. Your point is out the window, you just need to move to a place that actually supports your job instead of being A!
Oh yea, currently, with my 3 years in the military and the training i have recieved i have the option to challenge the board to get my LPN. In the civilian sector i can pull in 15-20 dollars an hour with only 3 years experience. A friend of mine also just got accepted to nursing school with only 2 years of experience in the military. She works in an Urgent Care facility out in town pulling in 25 bucks an hour btw and needed no additional training. If folks can hold down two jobs and pull in that kind of money then you should be able to find one job and pull in that kind of money. Dont be A!
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themy
Sir Postalot
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 02:44 Post subject:
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| Jack Crow wrote: | | quotison wrote: | | Jack Crow wrote: | Everyone here who supports outsourcing are perfect examples of the Republicans stance on any subject.
"Everythings fine nothing is wrong...go about your daily business, if we think we need to change we will inform you, so dont bother trying to improve things" |
Its not a matter of 'supporting' outsourcing- its just a part of life in a free market economy, which you don't seem to understand. |
Actually if you read what I said earlier, I admitted that you cant stop progress...I understand it fine.
I just think Kerry does a much better job addressing the issue with incentives etc than Bush does...
Kerrys not going to stop outsourcing entirely, thats ridiculous....but he wants to bring some of those jobs back to the US...thats responsible. |
YES, help john kerry bring back "some" minimum wage jobs. This will SAVE THE ECONOMY. VOTE KERRY!!!!
This will not work, we need to create a global living wage. After that may the best person get the job.
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Xion
RealPoor Guru
Joined: 11 Oct 2002
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 03:44 Post subject:
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| themy wrote: | | I believe outsourcing is a good thing for the companies. But, we need to instate a global living wage so that our jobs are not lost to people working for next to nothing. |
Dumbest
Idea
Ever
Aside from this ideas obvious communist roots, it would be impossible to implement and enforce.
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Vengar_OO
Sir Postalot
Joined: 30 Nov 2002
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Location: Mayport, FL
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 05:11 Post subject: -==-
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Why not just put a cap on how much of a company's workforce can be outsourced?
If they can only outsource like %20, India gets a piece, we still keep some jobs.
No, I'm not saying I'm a global economics expert, this is just a suggestion.
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